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At 8/29/03 08:02 PM, PoptartKing_v2 wrote: I would enjoy joining.

Sorry, if there is no question mark, I miss you. Would you like to join?

1. Me
2. mr_trivia
3. Talbain
4. Nephthys
5. duelmasterp
6. Ambyth
7. -Sphere-
8. PicO2002 (not many posts, maybe he wasn't a serious user)
9. Onechamberleft
10. karasz (we think)
11. dxn
12. Atomicus
13. CHEESEGOD (got lost in the shuffle, don't understand why he wasn't given a number, he was but he refuses to use it)

At 9/10/03 01:06 PM, DuelMasterP wrote: If time travel in the future, wouldn't they be mature enough to realise that if they came back in time, they could mess up something. (so they'll probably have laws against traveling backwards through time, with some kind of time police)

If you think about two (sets) of movies. The Time Machine and Back to the Future. Within BTTF there are explanations that say if you change something in the past, something inevitably changes in the future. However, in TM, the idea is that if you go back to the past to change something in the past that caused that future then the event in the past will still be changed regardless of the actions taken by the traveler from the future. Again back to BTTF and they say (previously mentioned by another poster) the idea of multiple dimensions (I like to call them universes) where if you change something in the past then another timeline is created that you cannot come back from unless the overall outcome is returned to it's original state. A book by Micheal Crichton has it's own way of explaining a means of "time travel". Because you cannot change time (it's a one-way stream that continuously flows and because you would have to reverse the flow in order to return to the past you would also be undoing the present (that makes sense right?). The book is Timeline (good title huh?) and in order to go into a different time you travel between universes which exist in the same space at different times. So the idea is then to find the universe in which time is X. Another big idea in the book is that you cannot change the overall outcome in time. You can change small variable within that universe (a point in time) but you cannot change large variables (else you create a new flow of time... or... that's what I'm getting). There's explanations in both movies and in the book, but I don't remember them right now that's the best I can come up with. Yeesh, this time travel talk would make ClockCrew dizzy...

I've seen a lot of time travel movies. One or two in which some guy goes back to the time of the dinosaurs. I saw a movie when a guy actaully goes into the future to stop a time traveling Jack the Ripper.

I think there was a time where hundreds of time traveling movies were made.

well he's is my 2 cents when it comes to time travel...

If time traveling is made, and anyone gets their hands on it... they can change the past OR future depending on what they do...

for example, I go back in time to kill hitler, in 1920, right after WW1. I succeed in doing so. Now in the changed version of 1920, (1920x from now on) Hitler no longer exists, meaning that there is no person to start and progress the Nazi party. Meaning that the Weimar Republic should by all accounts continue to muddle along. Meaning no WW2 and no holocaust, in 1920x... SO then i come back to my original start date OF 2003x (the 2003 of the changed world) this is my new time... I david karaszkiewicz still exist, BUT everything else could have changed... because i was born in another time. NOW lets say, in this new world, the soviet union was unchecked militarily and stalin built up his armies and went westward... so instead of ww2 against hitler, it is now ww2 against stalin. Britain, France and Germany (still a very weak democracy) all rise against the new threat of the USSR... all the while japan attacks the US to become a dominant power... SO instead of the US going to Europe to fight, America and Japan go into battle... so now we have 2 different regional wars... Europe= Britain, France, Germany VS USSR... Asia= Japan VS China, USA, European allies (they still held colonies) so insteadthen lets say that instead of being in the european theater of ww2... my grandfather is in the navy and instead of being in the atlantic (which in 1940 he was) he was at midway in 1940x (remember no US in the atlantic for the european war) and since he was at midway his boat was destroyed by the Japanese, which means my father (born 20 yrs later), was obviously never born meaning he never met my mom, and they never had me... in 2003x... NOW the time traveler ME still exists.... i was born somewhere else in another dimension where things happened dfferently...

hopefully this helps explain my belief instead of just fuck everything up...

2 cents? More like $2.33!

I understand, because you changed something in the past, a huge event did not occur, causing you (the time traveler) to go to an alternate future (present?) that you created.

What would happen if someone changed an event in the future? Would it matter in the present?

At 9/10/03 03:52 PM, mr_trivia wrote: What would happen if someone changed an event in the future? Would it matter in the present?

DUH!! Of course it wouldn't... time flows in one direction - forward. An event in the future cannot change events in the past, unless like we've been talking about and someone in the future comes back to change something because something in the future went wrong and they wanted to fix it. In WHICH case the future would lie in the past, because only the past can change the present. Timecop's another good time travel movie.

has anyone here ever played chrono cross for psx?
thats a good example of 'what if..?' scenarios. its about this boy who goes this beach and gets teleported into a coexisting dimension. the dimension that he is transported into is everything that couldve happened in his world, including his death ten years before.
its a great game
but were not here to talk about games...
i liked it

At 9/10/03 04:04 PM, Atomicus wrote:

At 9/10/03 03:52 PM, mr_trivia wrote: What would happen if someone changed an event in the future? Would it matter in the present?

DUH!! Of course it wouldn't... time flows in one direction - forward. An event in the future cannot change events in the past, unless like we've been talking about and someone in the future comes back to change something because something in the future went wrong and they wanted to fix it. In WHICH case the future would lie in the past, because only the past can change the present. Timecop's another good time travel movie.

I asked because Mystery Science Theater 3000 once featured a bad movie about that. A guy invented a plane that can fly through time, but destroyed it because his boss used it to ruin the future.

At 9/10/03 05:35 PM, mr_trivia wrote: I asked because Mystery Science Theater 3000 once featured a bad movie about that. A guy invented a plane that can fly through time, but destroyed it because his boss used it to ruin the future.

Hmmm... MST 3K is a funny show. The movie sounds like all kinds of fun... with the usual bad plot.

have you been to another dimension? this is about theories right? dont get me wrong, but you say it like its an absolute fact...
anyway i'm not really a believer in timetravel, but if someone invents it someday, feel free to tell me yesterday ;)

Even if my dimention had been changed 1,000,000 times I would not know it as everything would feel right.

im number 12!? it says in my sig!!

At 9/10/03 10:59 PM, CHEESEGOD wrote: im number 12!? it says in my sig!!

Someone said you were number 12 before there was even a 12. You asked to join and someone gave it to you without me giving them permission. I e-mailed you with your number and you didn't use it, so I lost track.

i never check my email.....one sec ill go check

number 8 or 9, but im fine with wutever

At 9/11/03 01:18 AM, CHEESEGOD wrote: number 8 or 9, but im fine with wutever

Then you will be number 13.

super

Hey, where were we?? Time travel?? Oh well, my biggest issue is with Einstein's two relativity theories and how much they really suck. I mean, if you take them literally, we'll never get anywhere any faster going the speed of light because of yadda-yadda and I don't feel like going into all of that part of it. My idea is that if a ship (just for example's sake) were to travel at the speed of light the fact that it would be going that fast would it also travel (through time) a kind of "light dimension" that allows us not to lose so much time going back and forth over great distances at light speed... am I making any sense or should we try something else??

At 9/10/03 04:04 PM, Atomicus wrote: DUH!! Of course it wouldn't... time flows in one direction - forward. An event in the future cannot change events in the past, unless like we've been talking about and someone in the future comes back to change something because something in the future went wrong and they wanted to fix it. In WHICH case the future would lie in the past, because only the past can change the present. Timecop's another good time travel movie.

you say that time flows only forward, but what if time doesn't exist? and referring to movies/books, check out stephen kings Langoliers.

At 9/11/03 02:52 AM, Atomicus wrote: Hey, where were we?? Time travel?? Oh well, my biggest issue is with Einstein's two relativity theories and how much they really suck. I mean, if you take them literally, we'll never get anywhere any faster going the speed of light because of yadda-yadda and I don't feel like going into all of that part of it. My idea is that if a ship (just for example's sake) were to travel at the speed of light the fact that it would be going that fast would it also travel (through time) a kind of "light dimension" that allows us not to lose so much time going back and forth over great distances at light speed... am I making any sense or should we try something else??

Well, light speed is a relitive thing I guess as everything changes as soon as your in space. They think that tachyons travel faster than the speed of ligfht and while scientists have seen them they have been unable to properly measure or capture them.

The biggest problem is that we truly don't know enough about space and teh effects on traveling there. We've done very little traveling I mean if you sent a person up there and got him/her to go faster than light what would be the effect on the body and the vessel, could it stand the pressure? Once the barrier is broken is there any pressure?

But overal the universe is in a constant state of change and with it the development of our theories so one day and maybe soon we will fdind a way. We just need another like Einstein.

What happens if you have a old VW beatle, atach a tachyon-blaster to it, and then you travel faster then the light with it, lets say to the restaurant at the end of the galaxy.
You realize it's dark, since you have just passed pluto, so you decide to turn on the lights...
what happens?
Does the lightspeed ad up to your car's speed?
Is the light slower and collects infront of your car like a herd of sheep after driving through the fields?
Will the energy roast your car?

It should be possible to go faster then the light.
Immagine a huge space-station that looks like a wheel.
the center rotates with, uhm, 500 miles an hour.
The wheel is so big, that the outer ring must spin faster then the light...
Oh well, the rotation would probably rip it appart, but you get my point ;-)

Live long and prosper.

Why does the De Lorean from Back to the Future need to reach 88 miles per hour to travel through time? Is there anything significant about that speed?

88 miles is the typical speed driven on th german autobahn when the speedlimit is 75 :-)
I never see them jumping into a other time line though. Also, they dont leave burning skidmarks.

I dont know. Maybee you have to drive 88mph and put the gear in reverse, the sudden change of speed will result in a small gap inside the time-bouble around the car, and you slide either back or forth in time... depending weather you give a left-turn-signal or right-turn-signal. Unfortunaly my car does not drive 88 mph, only if driven off a cliff.

Maybe it was an impressive feat to reach 88 mph in a De Lorean.

It must have fallen appart durring the filming, so they had a glue gun built into the car.:-)

At 9/11/03 06:32 AM, schorhr wrote: What happens if you have a old VW beatle, atach a tachyon-blaster to it, and then you travel faster then the light with it, lets say to the restaurant at the end of the galaxy.
You realize it's dark, since you have just passed pluto, so you decide to turn on the lights...
what happens?
Does the lightspeed ad up to your car's speed?
Is the light slower and collects infront of your car like a herd of sheep after driving through the fields?
Will the energy roast your car?

It should be possible to go faster then the light.
Immagine a huge space-station that looks like a wheel.
the center rotates with, uhm, 500 miles an hour.
The wheel is so big, that the outer ring must spin faster then the light...
Oh well, the rotation would probably rip it appart, but you get my point ;-)

Live long and prosper.

Really? You basically can go faster than light (even though you ask a high school physics teacher they'll probably say you can't because of some stupid law). The light should travel at light speed relative to the car. Yes, a bug would tear up before you could ever reach light speed, the energy would probably vaporize it.

As for your outer ring, it could just fall off due to momentum unless the inner ring is really strong...

Under the right circumstances, you can travel faster than light. Light supposedly travels 35 mph in a certain type of gas.

At 9/11/03 11:25 AM, mr_trivia wrote: Under the right circumstances, you can travel faster than light. Light supposedly travels 35 mph in a certain type of gas.

Yes, that's what I was saying. And I heard (only heard have no proof) that somewhere scientists slowed light down to walking speed!!!

At 9/11/03 11:25 AM, mr_trivia wrote: Under the right circumstances, you can travel faster than light. Light supposedly travels 35 mph in a certain type of gas.

whoa! i have travelled faster than light ;)
btw, what would happen if you spoke faster than the speed of sound ...