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Forum Topic: Blu-ray Only Adopters Beware---

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Wanion

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Posted at: 11/9/07 05:38 PM

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The Sony CEO of America himself said that the format war between HD DVD and Blu-ray is a stalemate and is even discussing the possibilities of a loss between the two.

That is unbelievable news being that Sony for about a year now has said that HD DVD is dead and is outselling it remarkably, now a sudden change in tone?

This probably results from the 90,000 stand alone HD DVD players that were sold last weekend for $99. That alone prooves that people don't care what technology they adopt so long as they can be cheap and affordable. That 90k is more units sold than the best selling Blu-ray stand-alone player and there should be more deals from the HD DVD camp this holiday season.

Sony has said that a Blu-ray player will highly unlikely drop below $400 this year, so that in comparison is a big price jump. The Playstation 3 is the best selling Blu-ray player, but the majority of the people don't even know its a Blu-ray player and those who do aren't Blu-ray disc purchasers. That isn't to say thats the case for all PS3 consumers, I personally bought a PS3 player almost entirely as a Blu-ray player alone having no interest in any of the current games and there are a lot of people who do the same but the fact is that the majority of consumers aren't in comparison to how stand alone HD DVD players are outselling stand alone Blu-ray players, all of which are high definition movie enthusiasts and plan to buy movies and not games.

Blu-ray outsells HD DVD because it has all those PS3's installed into households and when a couple Blu-ray discs are sold in a multiplier of all those consoles that's a lot of movies. With all these stand alone HD DVD players being sold though which are for people interested in movies only, and Sonythemselves are now beginning to have doubt, something is definately up.

I support both formats though I prefer HD DVD having all the specs finalized.

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I don't see why they would doubt. Blu rays aren't more expensive, have got slightly (emphasise that word, nao) more detail, they can hold more data and the PS3 is the cheap compared to the other ones.

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If Blu-ray repeats itself with the result of Betamax all over again that would be phenomenal.

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At 11/9/07 05:43 PM, Wanion wrote: If Blu-ray repeats itself with the result of Betamax all over again that would be phenomenal.

Hmm, who cares anyway? :P

Do YOU see any difference between Blu-ray and HDDVD?

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At 11/9/07 05:45 PM, Diphallia wrote:
At 11/9/07 05:43 PM, Wanion wrote: If Blu-ray repeats itself with the result of Betamax all over again that would be phenomenal.
Hmm, who cares anyway? :P

Do YOU see any difference between Blu-ray and HDDVD?

As a dual format owner I'll tell you the straight up truth:

Almost all HD DVDs use the video codec known as VC-1 created by Microsoft. The visual quality can be astounding and it doesn't take up as much space as other codecs.

Blu-rays originally looked worse because they used MPEG-2 codecs, which is the same as a standard DVD until more recently almost all Blu-ray movies (except Warner, they port the VC-1 transfer from HD DVD to Blu-ray) use the AVC/MPEG-4 codec which is on par with VC-1 or sometimes even has a better edge.

Sound however can be a different story. Given Blu-ray has a slightly larger storage capacity the majority of the movies have uncompressed PCM audios or/AND lossless audio codecs such as Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio Lossless (essentially an uncompressed PCM sound file in a ZIP file waiting to be unzipped by the players decoder, if that makes sense, or by your receiver if both your player and receiver support HDMI 1.3). HD DVD has a standard that every movie has to at least have Dolby Digitial-Plus, which the maxes out and is at the majority of the time stays at a bitrate of 1.5 mbps. Sometimes it sounds so good you can give it a 5 star rating compared to a high definition audio codec on a different movie (Transformers is a good example of this on HD DVD. It doesn't have high definition audio but it doesn't make a difference because its so clear and amazing either way), other times you cannot. A lot of HD DVD movies now have Dolby TrueHD now so it can be fairly even.

The main appeal with HD DVD is the picture-in-picture bonus features you can turn on while you watch the movie. This will eventually be able to be done on Blu-ray, but currently there are no Blu-ray players that support the spec.

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What's wrong with normal DVDs, their quality is fine enough anyway.

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At 11/9/07 05:56 PM, VeinDigger wrote: What's wrong with normal DVDs, their quality is fine enough anyway.

Until you sit in a home theater with a 1080p HDTV and HD DVD or Blu-ray player in high definition surround sound... you don't know what you're missing. However, upconverted DVDs into 1080p through either formats player can turn out in some cases to look rather good too, but never as good as being formatted into high definition as opposed to upconverted.

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Ps3 is a $400 paperweight, Im not going to purchase it just for Blu-Ray, which is only a bit better than HD-DvD and costs $300 more, $300 is not worth a tiny bit better sound and graphic quality.

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I own an Digital HD TV.

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I have seen both formats in action and I prefer Blu-Ray to HD but only very slightly. But consumers are morons and smart at the same time, they snub better technology but go for the cheaper ones which will mean they choose the format that won't go defunct prematurely.

This is like VHS and Betamax all over again.

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EVERYBODY BUY HDDVD

I got an HD-DVD player, and I don't want my shit to be obsolete.

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They always said stuff like this, and some of it's crap.
DVD stopped being profitable gfor the invertin company after a year, because of price-cuts.

Now MS and Toshiba will LOSE money, even if they win. They're just petty fags that won't let anyone have any glory.
They know this. So they have dropped the price, they have given stupid deals and they have paid MILLIONS to get paramount and dreamworks exclusive.
Just becuase Toshiba wants to rival Sony and MS can't stand not controlling the market.
It really has nothing to do with winning, it's just to do with hate between company's really.

Hence stalemate.


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