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How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 01:40 PM Reply

When someone is sentenced to imprisonment for however long, they should be given a key and a little locked box with a deadly pill inside it. That way, if they can't handle prison life or what they're in for when they get out, they have the option of suicide.
Of course, this could also be used as a murder weapon, but if someone is found to have used the pill for murder, they get the death penalty anyway (which means even less overcrowding).

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 01:42 PM Reply

Lol, some thief gets murdered in prison because you gave the murderers a weapon. Genius.


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 01:56 PM Reply

dude, sounds great. however, the box should be presented after a while so the prisoner can see what prison is actually like instead of taking it as soon as they enter


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 02:42 PM Reply

At 11/9/07 01:40 PM, Objection wrote: When someone is sentenced to imprisonment for however long, they should be given a key and a little locked box with a deadly pill inside it. That way, if they can't handle prison life or what they're in for when they get out, they have the option of suicide.
Of course, this could also be used as a murder weapon, but if someone is found to have used the pill for murder, they get the death penalty anyway (which means even less overcrowding).

Prisons were created in the first place as an attempt at reforming people. It did not work. So now they are used to keep the nasty people away from the public. But nasty people in jail with other nasty people only get worse, not better.

I personally think we could use them in more productive means.

For example, if we went to war with Ira, we could pardon them if they were willing to consider going to colonize Iran. Thats if we went to war with Iran. Deport our worse, have them live their and then let them clean up the neighborhood.

Its good idea for in history, every time a new country is discovered and colonized, the natives got wiped out or became the minority and we can do this on the pretense that we are doing out of mercy for the prisoners.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 02:55 PM Reply

I personally think prison sentences have become ridiculous. I agree with you Jokeen, the whole prison system has failed at it's original intentions. We are just completely wasting human life. I don't like it when people label them "murderers" and "killers". The fact that they killed someone does not define them as a person. Yes, it's wrong. But punishment has turned into revenge. 20 years? Think, really think about how long that is. And as Jokeen said, how are they supposed to improve themselves sin a place like that? Americans just need to rethink the way we treat criminals all together. Because what we're doing now isn't working.


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 02:57 PM Reply

By the way that's a horrible idea. They killed someone, so lets kill them. Seriously, it makes no sense. Giving them suicide pills and putting them in one of the most horrible places on earth is just about the same thing.


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 03:04 PM Reply

At 11/9/07 02:42 PM, Jokeen wrote:
Prisons were created in the first place as an attempt at reforming people. It did not work. So now they are used to keep the nasty people away from the public. But nasty people in jail with other nasty people only get worse, not better.

Prisons were first created to hold people until the magistrate could pass judgement on them. After a jury system got set up, they were converted to a place to hold those who committed minor crimes for a while, later they were converted into involuntary condominiums..... sort of.


I personally think we could use them in more productive means.

Gladiator battles to the death would go a long way in solving overcrowded prisons. wanna be a super badass killer? grab a sword and get in the ring.


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 03:22 PM Reply

dude i love your idea ^^....

...i think we should just kill everyone...

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 9th, 2007 @ 07:31 PM Reply

At 11/9/07 01:40 PM, Objection wrote: When someone is sentenced to imprisonment for however long, they should be given a key and a little locked box with a deadly pill inside it. That way, if they can't handle prison life or what they're in for when they get out, they have the option of suicide.
Of course, this could also be used as a murder weapon, but if someone is found to have used the pill for murder, they get the death penalty anyway (which means even less overcrowding).

Actually a better way would be behavioral rehabilitation, criminal behavior in a sane convict is often motivated by the situation the convict is in or the misunderstanding of a situation they are in so getting them out of that type of situation would be nessicary, also have workshops that teach them how to be productive citicens and learn how to cronfront their criminal behavior and learn better alternatives to their actions. Otherwise for an insane convict behavioral modification, psychotherepy or advanced psychiatric treatment would also be a helpful tool. If the convict show signs of improvement by not commiting infractions while in prison for a prolonged period of time and show positive progress, they can step it down to house arrest or simple probations while released, and gradually lax their penalties if no future criminal infractions occur as they reintigrate with society. It is proven repeatedly through many scientific studies that criminals don't simply act on whim unless they suffer insanity. Otherwise it is motivated by a socialogical situation that may force them to need to comit a certain crime or is the result of poor judgement in the situation that motivated them. Studies through surveys also show that 82% of sane inmates regret the crime they have commited.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 07:20 AM Reply

At 11/9/07 02:57 PM, ScarletGodwin wrote: By the way that's a horrible idea. They killed someone, so lets kill them. Seriously, it makes no sense. Giving them suicide pills and putting them in one of the most horrible places on earth is just about the same thing.

Except those horrible places do get overcrowded and have become overcrowded, so what do we do with the overflow?

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 07:51 AM Reply

At 11/10/07 07:46 AM, simple-but-sandy wrote: My idea for freeing up the prisons is decimation (kill one in ten people randomly).

It will also act as a deterrent to crime, because no-matter what the offence was, there is still a 10% chance of recieving the death penalty for it.

"I had a two-week sentence for doing some random shit. Now I'm dead."

Worst idea ever.


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 10:06 AM Reply

The only think jail gave me was how to be better at the crimes I do and a collection of tattoos that Im really going to regret later.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 11:05 AM Reply

Colonization has another good diea. When Australia was a penal colony, those who were sentenced there and finished with their setence, ended up being able to make a better life for them selves.

So in short using them to colonize war zone for BS wars would have a duel effect. Get rid of hostile nation and give these people a second chance in life by being in a place that has no rules.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 03:09 PM Reply

At 11/10/07 11:05 AM, Jokeen wrote: Colonization has another good diea. When Australia was a penal colony, those who were sentenced there and finished with their setence, ended up being able to make a better life for them selves.

So in short using them to colonize war zone for BS wars would have a duel effect. Get rid of hostile nation and give these people a second chance in life by being in a place that has no rules.

We will take Philly, Jersey and the 5 boroughs of NYC. You guys can fence it off or whatever you want to do to feel safe from us. Just do what you should be doing with the mexican border. We promise to leave you alone, and whenever you guys have a problem with a hostile country, we will go to war for you, in exchange for the exportation of necessities.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 03:18 PM Reply

At 11/9/07 02:55 PM, ScarletGodwin wrote: Yes, it's wrong. But punishment has turned into revenge. 20 years? Think, really think about how long that is.

Think, really think how long a victim of murder is dead. I think there should more prison labor. Keep the prisoners productive and sane. That way the prisoners can truly pay their debt to society.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 08:12 PM Reply

At 11/10/07 03:18 PM, W31RD0 wrote:
At 11/9/07 02:55 PM, ScarletGodwin wrote: Yes, it's wrong. But punishment has turned into revenge. 20 years? Think, really think about how long that is.
Think, really think how long a victim of murder is dead. I think there should more prison labor. Keep the prisoners productive and sane. That way the prisoners can truly pay their debt to society.

The problem with pimping out convicts for cash is that it gives that state incentive to incarcerate people, even if they did not do wrong.

Just too much can go wrong here.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 08:17 PM Reply

better idea, the army may need target practice, and these would be scared moving targets, they would be running for their lives trying to dodge each shot LOL


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 08:51 PM Reply

Maybe a better educational system would lead to smarter, saner, and overall better people- that should keep prisons from being overcrowded if done just right.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 09:53 PM Reply

At 11/9/07 07:31 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:
At 11/9/07 01:40 PM, Objection wrote: When someone is sentenced to imprisonment for however long, they should be given a key and a little locked box with a deadly pill inside it. That way, if they can't handle prison life or what they're in for when they get out, they have the option of suicide.
Of course, this could also be used as a murder weapon, but if someone is found to have used the pill for murder, they get the death penalty anyway (which means even less overcrowding).
Actually a better way would be behavioral rehabilitation, criminal behavior in a sane convict is often motivated by the situation the convict is in or the misunderstanding of a situation they are in so getting them out of that type of situation would be nessicary, also have workshops that teach them how to be productive citicens and learn how to cronfront their criminal behavior and learn better alternatives to their actions. Otherwise for an insane convict behavioral modification, psychotherepy or advanced psychiatric treatment would also be a helpful tool. If the convict show signs of improvement by not commiting infractions while in prison for a prolonged period of time and show positive progress, they can step it down to house arrest or simple probations while released, and gradually lax their penalties if no future criminal infractions occur as they reintigrate with society. It is proven repeatedly through many scientific studies that criminals don't simply act on whim unless they suffer insanity. Otherwise it is motivated by a socialogical situation that may force them to need to comit a certain crime or is the result of poor judgement in the situation that motivated them. Studies through surveys also show that 82% of sane inmates regret the crime they have commited.

So far when states tried that they eventually made it back to stricter incarceration policies. Also the majority of inmates violated their parole and made it back to prison. The point of our penal code is not rehabilitation it is punishment.
"The most dramatic decline in murders over the last decade has been precisely in those regions that have had the most execution since 1990 [Texas,Oklahoma,Louisiana, and Arkansas] have performed half the nations executions...[and] muder rates in these four states have fallen faster than anywhere else in the country" Political Analyst William Tucker.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 10:05 PM Reply

I like it.


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 10:10 PM Reply

At 11/10/07 09:53 PM, crazy-eye2 wrote:
At 11/9/07 07:31 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:
At 11/9/07 01:40 PM, Objection wrote: When someone is sentenced to imprisonment for however long, they should be given a key and a little locked box with a deadly pill inside it. That way, if they can't handle prison life or what they're in for when they get out, they have the option of suicide.
Of course, this could also be used as a murder weapon, but if someone is found to have used the pill for murder, they get the death penalty anyway (which means even less overcrowding).
Studies through surveys also show that 82% of sane inmates regret the crime they have commited.

its hard not to regret something when you go through months of our judicial system, get a sentence that probably doesnt fit your crime, and then get dehumanized and jammed into a gym locker with hundreds of other men.

it doesnt matter if you regret it. I think a better question would be if they really thought they would get away with it. an answer can lead to everything from motivation to determining premeditation (if there was any) to cause. and yes, motivation and cause are two totally seperate things.



"The most dramatic decline in murders over the last decade has been precisely in those regions that have had the most execution since 1990 [Texas,Oklahoma,Louisiana, and Arkansas] have performed half the nations executions...[and] muder rates in these four states have fallen faster than anywhere else in the country" Political Analyst William Tucker.

Amen.

my answer, tho: put those bitches to work. like, serious work. more than just liscense plates and shit. can anyone say militant factories? or perhaps just enlisting their asses?


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 10:19 PM Reply

You are all sick. Except for that one dude who said something about keeping prisoners sane.
Well anyways the only way to solve prison overcrowding in your sick perverted country where the state can kill you is to... here it comes... PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BECOMING CRIMINALS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!! Give the lower classes better education (public schools are a mess), control DRUGS, get better social welfare programs, better healthcare...etc. But then of course that takes money and as we all know your president is spending all those billions on Tomahawk cruise missles and F-117s wich the brave men over seas need for keeping the order on the streets of baghdad... but thats a story for another day,

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 10:23 PM Reply

At 11/10/07 10:19 PM, qStik wrote: You are all sick. Except for that one dude who said something about keeping prisoners sane.
Well anyways the only way to solve prison overcrowding in your sick perverted country where the state can kill you is Give the lower classes better education (public schools are a mess), control DRUGS, get better social welfare programs, better healthcare...etc. But then of course that takes money and as we all know your president is spending all those billions on Tomahawk cruise missles and F-117s

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your right but still everbody should have a choice and we all know george bush is doing a bad job but we dont have to complain about it

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 10:23 PM Reply

So.....

Been watching Saw lately?

You mindless fuck.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 11:31 PM Reply

better idea

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 10th, 2007 @ 11:55 PM Reply

hey qStik, heres a thought:

THAT SHIT TAKES TIME AND MONEY. IT DOESNT MATTER IF THE PRESIDENT IS A CHEAP BITCH, HOWEVER IT DOES MATTER THAT THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF CASH IN CIRCULATION AND THE GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY SPEND SO MUCH ON ONE THING AT ONE TIME.

guess what? however complex this may seem, there isnt a fast and easy solution to this.


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 11th, 2007 @ 12:26 AM Reply

Just, just, no.


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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 11th, 2007 @ 12:29 AM Reply

I have a better idea.. like with those interweb Green Card offers, run a lottery. Lifers can voluntarily enter their name on a monthly national prison lottery. 3 names are drawn. 2 get freedom exiled to a deserted island, antarctica, etc, with GPS chip planted in their brain. 1 gets death by public hanging with cellphone coverage like Saddam had.

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 11th, 2007 @ 01:49 AM Reply

At 11/10/07 10:19 PM, qStik wrote: Give the lower classes better education (public schools are a mess). . . But then of course that takes money and as we all know your president is spending all those billions on Tomahawk cruise missles and F-117s. . .

Because money is ALWAYS the solution : /

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Response to How to solve overcrowded prisons Nov. 11th, 2007 @ 03:59 AM Reply

still think we should kill everyone...