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I'm American, and to me, capital punishment is justified because sometimes people just deserve to fucking die. cough*Saddam*cough

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At 11/11/07 05:16 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 11/8/07 05:54 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

Moreover, when Israel moved into the Mid East, there was a two state solution. But that wasn't good enough for any Arab. So they tried to kill every Jew. The history of Muslims and Jews has ALWAYS seen the Jew as the victim.

A two state solution huh ... First, why should any one share his land? Second, when i look at anymap i see Israel and no Palestien, so that two state solutions is just a lie. Jews are a victim huh? These victims sure know how to play this part ...

At 11/8/07 09:06 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

Bull. All that he has said is true. We have Western mullahs defending said practices.
And no one cares about you. Even if you're a saint, that says shit about all Arabs.

So my living with all types of arabs doesnt say shit and the news you heard about the arabs from some one that hates them says anything? I dont know why, but it doesnt make sense to me ...

And you don't want to kill the Jews. You just want to slander them. Aren't you enlightened?

I dont want to do anything to them, if we cant we can live in peace, then i prefer not to be near them.

Because my dad never did...NO ARAB ever has. Lame argument. Next?

I have been to many arabic countries and stayed there for some time, and not once did i see a woman being treated badly. On the other hand, ive been to the US, and there i saw quite some women with blue eyes. Let me guess, the arabic women dont show the marks of abuse and the women i saw with a blue eye just fell off the stairs ... My argument is lame huh?

And in the present.

In the present, when someone steal, he is sent to prison.

It's not their land. Israel was there first. And if it's the "Arabs" (see Muslims) because they stole/conquered it..then it was Britains when THEY took over.

If you ever studied arab histoty you will see that the British said that they were the to "protect" the land after the WWII, so that land was never thiers. BTW, show me one document or anything that proves that the jews were there before the arabs? Let me guess, the bad arabs burnt all the evidenvce right? ¬¬

That's cause Muslims are the only religion to have fanatics of note. The worst anyone can say about Christianity is abortion clinic bombings and Fred Phelps.

So let me see if i understood this, planting a bomb in a clinic that might have many people because this person is against abortion is OK, while bombing a ... idk, a bus because this person belives that by doing this his descendnts might have a place to live is a crime?

Homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran.

Prove it.

You suck at this debate thingie.

Oh really, i dont think that you are that good either.

Stop using Iran to justify what you want to say, its a really violent country, and its arabic, but it doesnt mean that all arabs are like that. Its like me using Brasil to justify that all western countries have well armed criminals.

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At 11/11/07 03:34 PM, PhoenixTails wrote: I'm American, and to me, capital punishment is justified because sometimes people just deserve to fucking die. cough*Saddam*cough

Israel started a war against lebanon, and killed thousands of innocent civillians, because two soliders were were kidnapped(another word for stolen that is used for human beings). And you think that cuting off someones hand beause he stole is a crime? Think with me, first you start as petty thief stealing walets, then you start stealing shops, then the houses of the rich, and the next thing you know you dont even care about killing some guard in a bank to get the money. Tell me, whats better, cuting his hand before he gets used to steal, or let him free untill he starts killing? BTW, as i said, this law isnt used in arabic countries any more.

PS: all my arguments are based on Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Kwait which is typical arabic countries.

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At 11/5/07 10:49 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote: ... they have a right to attack people for taking thier land, then how come you don't ever see Native Americans blowing up public buses despite the fact that we stole land from them?

Because we let them keep on using drugs for religious purposes and we let them set up casinos.

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At 11/12/07 05:39 AM, TonyTostieno wrote: Because we let them keep on using drugs for religious purposes and we let them set up casinos.

Natives = Fucking WIN.

Thats OLD SCHOOL homeland security.

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At 11/11/07 03:34 PM, PhoenixTails wrote: I'm American, and to me, capital punishment is justified because sometimes people just deserve to fucking die. cough*Saddam*cough

But if I think you just "deserve" to die, does that make it okay to kill you?

Punishment exist to keep people from committing crime. Capital punishment doesn't lower crime rate.

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At 11/12/07 05:34 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

At 11/11/07 03:34 PM, PhoenixTails wrote: I'm American, and to me, capital punishment is justified because sometimes people just deserve to fucking die. cough*Saddam*cough

Israel started a war against lebanon

Actually Hezbollah started a war against Israel, and Israel fought back. Israel never declared war on Lebanon, Israel only fought terrorists that were located in Lebanon.

and killed thousands of innocent civillians

Thousands of civilians died because Hezbollah intentionally used them as human shields. Hezbollah was at fault for that, not Israel.

And you think that cuting off someones hand beause he stole is a crime?

Anyone with half a fucking brain should realize that stealing alone doesn't warrant having your body mutilated.

Think with me, first you start as petty thief stealing walets, then you start stealing shops, then the houses of the rich, and the next thing you know you dont even care about killing some guard in a bank to get the money. Tell me, whats better, cuting his hand before he gets used to steal, or let him free untill he starts killing?

Your logic is so fucking ridiculous.

1) Cutting off someone's hand does not mean they can never steal again. Stealing doesn't only mean petty theft. You don't have to have both your hands to steal from other people.

2) Theft is done all the time. It doesn't mean that thieves are going to start killing people. You can't judiciously cut someone's hand off after they've already been captured for a crime, when they post no threat at all anymore, just because they stole things

3) Having your hand cut off doesn't mean you can't kill someone anyway.

Your entire point is absurd.

BTW, as i said, this law isnt used in arabic countries any more.

For fuck sake.

"Arabic" is the language, "Arab" is the ethnicity, especially when referring to a country. "Arab countries" is proper.

What's funny, even though you were just defending the law to defend the countries that have it, now you're saying they don't have it.

PS: all my arguments are based on Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Kwait which is typical arabic countries.

Um actually Lebanon is not a typical Arab country and is WAY, WAY different from Syria, Jordan, and Kuwait.

Lebanon is war more diverse and liberal than those countries. Unfortunately, the shithole countries like Syria and Iran have to use their Hezbollah proxies to ruin Lebanon.

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At 11/12/07 05:26 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

At 11/11/07 05:16 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 11/8/07 05:54 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

Moreover, when Israel moved into the Mid East, there was a two state solution. But that wasn't good enough for any Arab. So they tried to kill every Jew. The history of Muslims and Jews has ALWAYS seen the Jew as the victim.

A two state solution huh ...

Yeah, you know... how Israel recognizes Palestine... but the Palestinian terrorists who don't want peace intentionally fuck it up and continue to plot attacks and train their children to be suicide bombers because they don't want a country they really just want to spill Jewish blood?

First, why should any one share his land?

Lol, in that case Israel doesn't have to give any concessions to the Palestinians. Considering Israel is in a position of power that it could entirely destroy the Palestinian territories and take them over, it's hilarious that you talk about "sharing". If Palestinians had the power Israel has, there would be no Israel. Since Israel has mercy, Israel is sharing the land, and at the same time providing for the Palestinians in terms of fuel, water, electricity.

The Palestinians are biting the hand that feeds them basically, they exploit Israeli compassion.

Second, when i look at anymap i see Israel and no Palestien

Dur... maybe that's because Palestine is not part of Israel. You WILL however see swathes of land not included inside the Israeli border, THOSE are the Palestinian territories.

Every map I can find differentiates between Israel and Palestinian territories.

so that two state solutions is just a lie.

Yeah that's what the terrorists say so that they can justify to their people for continually sabotaging peace efforts.

Jews are a victim huh?

The Jews would be the victims if the Palestinians had the power Israel has.

So my living with all types of arabs doesnt say shit

Basically.

and the news you heard about the arabs from some one that hates them says anything?

Lol and the crap you say that you repeat from your sources has any credibility even though basically every single time you start this argument you get proved wrong and you run away?

I have been to many arabic countries and stayed there for some time, and not once did i see a woman being treated badly. On the other hand, ive been to the US, and there i saw quite some women with blue eyes.

Holy hell now you're just lying right out of your ass.

Let me guess, the arabic women dont show the marks of abuse and the women i saw with a blue eye just fell off the stairs ... My argument is lame huh?

Yeah because you're lying, as you've lied before, in order to provide credibility to your false argument that would not otherwise have any credibility.

If you ever studied arab histoty you will see that the British said that they were the to "protect" the land after the WWII, so that land was never thiers.

The British had a UN mandate to moderate Palestine. LONG BEFORE THEN, the Jews lived in Israel for thousands of years. The Jews were kicked out of the Holy Land by Romans and Arabs in several different instances. The most recent was during the Ottoman Empire's rule.

BTW, show me one document or anything that proves that the jews were there before the arabs?

WOW. You're THAT brainwashed?

Jews have been living in Palestine, and have had self-governing states there for thousands of years.

Ancient Israelites are what the Jews descended from. There was the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israe made up the predominant portion of what is now Israel and Palestinian territories.

Don't get confused about the word "Palestine". Because "Palestine" is the name of the territory of land, it has NEVER, I repeat NEVER, been a self-governing Arab nation in its entire history.

For fuck sake, the archaeological evidence is huge. Where did the Palestinians put the Al- Aqsa Mosque? Oh yeah, that's right, right on top of the ancient Jewish Temple mount.

But I guess... the Palestinians can rewrite history and pretend that they built it.

Let me guess, the bad arabs burnt all the evidenvce right? ¬¬

Lol let me guess, the evil Jews erased history. You know, the fact that there is zero evidence that Palestine has ever been a self-ruled nation must be a Jewish conspiracy.

That's cause Muslims are the only religion to have fanatics of note. The worst anyone can say about Christianity is abortion clinic bombings and Fred Phelps.

So let me see if i understood this, planting a bomb in a clinic that might have many people because this person is against abortion is OK, while bombing a ... idk, a bus because this person belives that by doing this his descendnts might have a place to live is a crime?

WTF are you talking about?

How is killing a bus filled with innocent people going to give people land?

Seriously, you're so brainwashed that you defend people that teach their children to strap bombs to their chests and kill innocent people. You're defending people that use their own children as human shields. You're talking about people who rarely if ever actually fight Israeli troops but instead focus intentionally on killing innocent people while using their own innocent people to do it.

Homosexuality is punishable by death in Iran.

Prove it.

LOL!

How uninformed are you?

Stop using Iran to justify what you want to say, its a really violent country, and its arabic, but it doesnt mean that all arabs are like that.

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Iran is not "Arabic" or Arab. It is Persian, and the main language is Farsi, not Arabic. Iran is a MUSLIM country, not an Arab country.

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At 11/12/07 07:44 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Im still gonna ignore you ^^

PS. Im ignoring you, not because i cant fight your arguments, because its impossible to have a civilized argument with you.

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I think we can ALL have a civilized conversation as long as all of you guys stop showing an OBVIOUS BIAS.

Jeez.

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Also Ahmudi, what makes me laugh about you is that yer bitching over a peice of land SMALLER THAN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. Look at the picture, it is a comparison to scale of israel to America. Arab muslims control a NINTH of all the land on earth. You people are just being spiteful and petty as fuck.

its cool tho. one day when everyones had enough of the palestinians crazy bullshit, this nonsense will be over.

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At 11/13/07 03:57 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Also Ahmudi, what makes me laugh about you is that yer bitching over a peice of land SMALLER THAN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. Look at the picture, it is a comparison to scale of israel to America. Arab muslims control a NINTH of all the land on earth. You people are just being spiteful and petty as fuck.

its cool tho. one day when everyones had enough of the palestinians crazy bullshit, this nonsense will be over.

One like you can never understand. By you i meant someone that has his land and was never taken from him, in the US, you guys were given the land on a gold plate, in the mid east, one must work hard to earn his land. Can you imagin someone working hard his entire life to get a piece of land to build his house on, and after he builds it some one comes and takes his land for him to give it to some other guy? Im sure that if the US kicked some americans from thier land to give it to the palestinians, the same thing would happen, and do deny, cuz you know that too.

BTW, no matter how small the land is, for some one, or some group. it means the world, and this person will fight with all his might to get his "world" back.

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At 11/13/07 10:21 AM, PantyWipe wrote: I think we can ALL have a civilized conversation as long as all of you guys stop showing an OBVIOUS BIAS.

Jeez.

Yow, dont think less of me cuz im asking, my main 2 languages are Arabic and Portuguese, so i dont know all the English language. Whats BIAS ?

And i refuse to have a conversation with Cellardoor because he is just to damn stubborn and thinks that anything that goes against what his beliefs is a lie, and for him, any fact that might destroy his argument must be lie, and his way of handling arguments is quite rude. So ill just keep ignoring him :D

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At 11/5/07 10:52 PM, SevenSeize wrote: Because we set up the casinos and take your paychecks enough to where the grudge doesn't bother us.

At least it demonstrates Native Americans know how to make the best out of the worst situations.

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At 11/13/07 08:48 PM, Ahmudi wrote:

And i refuse to have a conversation with Cellardoor because he is just to damn stubborn and thinks that anything that goes against what his beliefs is a lie,

Rather, you like to be able to case your whole argument on nonsense, and when you get disproved with facts, and thus CAUGHT in your lies, you have to play it off.

It's pathetic.

and for him, any fact that might destroy his argument must be lie,

You've never provided a single relevant fact in the entire series of irrational, non-credible remarks you've made.

and his way of handling arguments is quite rude. So ill just keep ignoring him :D

Lol so you'll instead just keep talking smack about me because you're too afraid and too incapable of replying to posts where I actually DISPROVE something you say.

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At 11/12/07 08:19 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

That's cause Muslims are the only religion to have fanatics of note. The worst anyone can say about Christianity is abortion clinic bombings and Fred Phelps.

So let me see if i understood this, planting a bomb in a clinic that might have many people because this person is against abortion is OK, while bombing a ... idk, a bus because this person belives that by doing this his descendnts might have a place to live is a crime?

WTF are you talking about?

How is killing a bus filled with innocent people going to give people land?

Seriously, you're so brainwashed that you defend people that teach their children to strap bombs to their chests and kill innocent people. You're defending people that use their own children as human shields. You're talking about people who rarely if ever actually fight Israeli troops but instead focus intentionally on killing innocent people while using their own innocent people to do it.

I absolutly agree, If the palestinians want results in the peace process, they really need to start cleaning up their act. Otherwise palestinians that are pro-peace must do as much as they can to seperate themselves from radical militants like Hamas. It was going that right way with Fatah in power, but then the coup fucked it up for themselves now we can't negotiate with them because extremists like Hamas don't negotiate.

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At 11/13/07 08:41 PM, Ahmudi wrote: One like you can never understand. By you i meant someone that has his land and was never taken from him

Born in Ireland. You know the deal about northern Ireland right?

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Ignoring: The act of not replying or caring for something that some one says or does.

I am explaining because operantly someone didnt get it.

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At 11/15/07 07:29 PM, Ahmudi wrote: Ignoring: The act of not replying or caring for something that some one says or does.

I am explaining because operantly someone didnt get it.

obviously your not because you just did... obviously he fried your little brain and you retreat into "im right, he's wrong and i dont have to prove it by answering his points, I'm just stick my fingers in my ears and sing 'lalalalalala i cant hear you'."

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Dont piss him off he might start coming to the border of yer post and throwing rocks at you, pissing and moaning about how yer people stole his reply.

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If you ever studied arab histoty you will see that the British said that they were the to "protect" the land after the WWII, so that land was never thiers. BTW, show me one document or anything that proves that the jews were there before the arabs? Let me guess, the bad arabs burnt all the evidenvce right? ¬¬

Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? These are documents that prove the Israelites were here before the Arabs. How we know? We have technology called Carbon Dating. Acording to the data collected from the carbon dating those scrolls were written in 2000 B.C., thousands of years before Islam was even founded as a religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Sc rolls

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At 11/16/07 02:48 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:

valid point

It doesnt matter dude. You can argue with him all you like, but you have to remember that hes an arab dude. Hell either say yer full of shit or just start ignoring you like he did to the other guy who blew him outta the water.

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At 11/5/07 11:21 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Because natives are superior to arabs in every possible way you can think of.

were talking about palestinians, not arabs.....

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Religion, mainly.

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At 11/16/07 02:48 PM, bluedemonspeedracer wrote:

If you ever studied arab histoty you will see that the British said that they were the to "protect" the land after the WWII, so that land was never thiers. BTW, show me one document or anything that proves that the jews were there before the arabs? Let me guess, the bad arabs burnt all the evidenvce right? ¬¬

Have you ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? These are documents that prove the Israelites were here before the Arabs. How we know? We have technology called Carbon Dating. Acording to the data collected from the carbon dating those scrolls were written in 2000 B.C., thousands of years before Islam was even founded as a religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Sc rolls

Islam != Arabs.
Still, it doesn't matter who was there first some thousand years ago. That's not the situation now; Fact is that palestinians have been living in the country for hundreds of years, and got kicked out because the UK & co thought it was a good place to put a jewish country. I can understand the idea of giving the jews a country because of the widespread antisemitism at the time, but just stating that all ethnicities should have a whole country for themselves is stupid. Anyway, a good place to put the jewish country would have been in Germany, according to me. It was the germans that were responsible for much of the antisemitism and the bad stuff the jews had to endure.
Regardless, the situation now is that random groups of non-official palestinians are using political violence and threat thereof against civilians (aka terrorism). On the other hand, the Israeli GOVERNMENT is using political violence and threat thereof against civilians too, which in my eyes are far worse (not saying that I support palestinian violence, or any other violence in the world). And don't say Hamas, please, since the last time I know that Hamas was behind a terrorist attack was in 2004, please correct me if I'm wrong, and in 2004 Hamas wasn't in government.

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At 11/16/07 09:09 PM, lumpypaint wrote:

At 11/5/07 11:21 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Because natives are superior to arabs in every possible way you can think of.

were talking about palestinians, not arabs.....

Doesnt matter, Native Americans are superior to EVERYONE in the middle east IMO.