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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-11 13:02:53 Reply

At 6/11/12 10:17 AM, Marsupial wrote: You listen to hudson mohawke btw?

nah, i remember hearing him on an album sampler from warp records, but that's about it. got anything in particular of his you would recommend?

also speaking of warp, make sure to check out the album the golden age of apocalypse by thundercat, it's a great electronic album


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-11 14:41:16 Reply

At 6/11/12 01:02 PM, Dromedary wrote:
At 6/11/12 10:17 AM, Marsupial wrote: You listen to hudson mohawke btw?
nah, i remember hearing him on an album sampler from warp records, but that's about it. got anything in particular of his you would recommend?

His Satin Panthers EP is bloody delicious.

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-11 15:42:16 Reply

You guys and your mainstream music.

Why don't you listen to something hip like Green Day?

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-11 22:27:53 Reply

At 6/11/12 01:02 PM, Dromedary wrote:
At 6/11/12 10:17 AM, Marsupial wrote: You listen to hudson mohawke btw?
nah, i remember hearing him on an album sampler from warp records, but that's about it. got anything in particular of his you would recommend?

cbat and thunder bay from the mentioned "Satin Panthers EP" are both dope as fuck

Not a massive fan of his album butter, but its worth a listen, I prefer the polyfolk dance ep. Hopefully he'll be droppin another full length album soon though


also speaking of warp, make sure to check out the album the golden age of apocalypse by thundercat, it's a great electronic album

Yeah i got that album, havent listened to it as much as it probably deserves though, ill give it another run. Where did you get the warp compilation btw, i was looking for one a couple weeks back and couldnt find one.


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 10:22:52 Reply

At 6/11/12 10:27 PM, Marsupial wrote: Yeah i got that album, havent listened to it as much as it probably deserves though, ill give it another run. Where did you get the warp compilation btw, i was looking for one a couple weeks back and couldnt find one.

you mean a physical copy or a digital one? i got a cd of it a while back in a local record shop, but if you wanted to buy it online discogs has damn near everything. dunno where to get a digital copy though, it's on spotify, or you could manually take the songs off youtube.


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 11:24:07 Reply

At 6/11/12 03:42 PM, Snuff wrote: Why don't you listen to something hip like Green Day?

I can't stand Green Day. They had some alright songs, but I hate how they've made people associate the term "punk" with them. Green Day aren't punk. Green Day will never be punk. Green Day are everything that punk is against. Kids of today take the great genre that is punk and associate it with crap like that. It's disgusting.

There's nothing worse than when some simpleton who only listens to music that's trendy or in fashion tries to start a conversation with me. It usually goes something like this:

Them - "What kind of music are you into?"
Me - "Well, mainly punk and skinhead stuff."
Them - "Oh, I used to listen to punk when I was younger!"
Me - "Oh cool, I wasn't expecting that. What bands?"
Them - "Stuff like Green Day, Sum 41 and that."
Me - "This conversation is over"


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 13:52:51 Reply

Yeah but Dean, most of those bands are some sort of 'Pop-Punk' or something, so people usually just refer to them as punk, or punk rock, even though I know they aren't, it is easier that way. And anyway, it's modern punk I guess, aren't many bands that do old school punk anymore, it seems to have evolved, or devolved, however you want to look at it.

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 16:14:33 Reply

At 6/12/12 01:52 PM, Snuff wrote: Yeah but Dean, most of those bands are some sort of 'Pop-Punk' or something, so people usually just refer to them as punk, or punk rock, even though I know they aren't, it is easier that way. And anyway, it's modern punk I guess, aren't many bands that do old school punk anymore, it seems to have evolved, or devolved, however you want to look at it.

Yeah I'm with snuff, you're sporting the tired hipster look pretty well dean. In the same way that people snort when I refer to people signed to big labels as indie. Or people who snort when someone calls skrillex dubstep. Someone was always there before you, claiming their version as gospel. I grew up knowing that I listened to punk rock, but if someone says punk I don't think of dead kennedys or sex pistols or whatever, I think of nofx and the offspring and, yes, greenday.


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 16:31:05 Reply

i don't think dean appreciates green day being labelled punk, that doesn't make him a hipster at all.


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 16:35:26 Reply

Sorry guys, I see Dean as a true punk and a cool guy. I easily understand his views on pop-punk and its association with the rest of punk music and I'm not a big fan on the music genre. I feel bands like Green Day and Sum 41 are too much of a misfit to belong in punk, especially when you look at everything else punk has to offer. I could care less who is a fan of those bands, though so happy listening.

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 17:06:31 Reply

At 6/12/12 04:31 PM, Spilda-Bongwata wrote: i don't think dean appreciates green day being labelled punk, that doesn't make him a hipster at all.

I'm not saying he's a hipster in "I like these guys because they're trendy" (quite the opposite, deans music will never be trendy LOLOLOLOLOLO just kiddan), but his post feels like it has a bit of a "holier than thou" air about it which i was trying to get at.


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 17:15:08 Reply

lol as if sum 41 has been mentioned like three times on this page damn


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 17:18:13 Reply

lol, the top "punk" bands on Last.fm include Green Day, NOFX, and The Offspring. Must grind yer gears Dean.

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 17:24:20 Reply

At 6/12/12 01:52 PM, Snuff wrote: And anyway, it's modern punk I guess, aren't many bands that do old school punk anymore, it seems to have evolved, or devolved, however you want to look at it.

No, most of the punk bands from the 80's are still around now, although they're starting to age. Hell, even the UK Subs are still regularly touring and their singer is approaching his 70th birthday now. The man is a legend. You just don't hear about them because when punk went out of fashion all the posers moved on and started talking about other music. Real punk still exists, you just have to know the right people or know where to look. We still have a massive punk festival in Blackpool every summer called Rebellion Festival. Even some of the bigger American bands have started playing at it. I think Rancid are coming over this year.

At 6/12/12 04:31 PM, Spilda-Bongwata wrote: i don't think dean appreciates green day being labelled punk, that doesn't make him a hipster at all.

Pretty much this. I was brought up by someone who lived through the 80's as a punk. A real punk. Not a punk who gave up and moved on when the next new thing came along. To him, punk was a way for kids that were being given no hope of a decent future a chance to air their opinion and have fun doing so. It was never about the money for the real bands. Very few could actually live off of their music. They were just kids who'd play down the pub on a Friday/Saturday night.

Now you get bands like Green Day. Lets face it, they're making music to make money. They live off of their music. It's a job. People consider bands like those part of the "punk revival" but punk was never dead to begin with and this is the reason I don't like these bands. They took a scene that was still going strong and doing it's own thing. They restyled it and turned it into what I consider a pretty pathetic scene where well off kids moan about losing girls.

It's just messed up in my opinion. I guess I just wish people were more appreciative of where this "new punk" came from. I just don't get how they can consider themselves punk when they couldn't even name the bands that helped make punk what it is.

I don't mind what people listen to. I'm not going genuinely to mock someone for listening to Green Day. I just wish they were a little less ignorant when it comes to slapping a punk label on something that is everything punk stands against. I don't care if they don't even like the bands, but I think they should at least be aware of who they are and what they achieved.

Anyway, I didn't mean to start some kind of big debate. Although if anyone is super keen to listen to some real punk, I can PM you a selection of it. Done this for a few users in the past who wanted to know more about British punk.

PS - Leo, I'm no hipster :P


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 17:25:34 Reply

Woah, that's the first time I've said my opinion about a music genre and not been ripped to shreds.

Cooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 18:02:58 Reply

At 6/12/12 05:24 PM, Dean wrote: punk went out of fashion
punk was never dead

Complete contradiction if you ask me. A genre dying is it going out of fashion. There are still people who enjoy 20s swing, but I'd consider the genre as close to dead as it's going to get in that it's not in "popular" (to some degree of popular) fashion.

It's just messed up in my opinion. I guess I just wish people were more appreciative of where this "new punk" came from. I just don't get how they can consider themselves punk when they couldn't even name the bands that helped make punk what it is.

Eh, I think that's also a bit silly (though I don't object to the idea so much as your first point). Should I need to know a history of first wave and 2tone to appreciate Reel Big Fish? No, of course not! They're still a fun band without knowledge of sixty years of jamaican music history. Without those two genres 3rd wave ska wouldn't exist, but I shouldn't need to like, or even know people like desmond dekker or the skatalites to enjoy RBF or whoever. It's a shame, sure, that someone doesn't like your underappreciated genre of choice. But I don't think that someone not knowing the roots of a genre that is divorced from what they like is grounds for saying that they shouldn't consider themselves true fans.

Like, it's a shame that punk now means two things... but I don't judge a skrillex fan for not knowing about burial (who's from a completely different genre, but both are called dubstep). I'll do my best to educate them, sure, but at the end of the day it's not their fault for listening to what they want to listen to. It's not their fault if for researching the history of a genre if they're happy listening to their greenday or their offspring or whatever.

What I'm trying to get at is that some people just don't listen to music like we do. For some people music is an aside and not the focus of their life.

PS - Leo, I'm no hipster :P

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 18:11:12 Reply

At 6/12/12 05:25 PM, Snuff wrote: Woah, that's the first time I've said my opinion about a music genre and not been ripped to shreds.

Cooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.

your opinion is shit and you're ugly

someone had to take you down a peg, y'all gettin' uppity

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 18:23:06 Reply

We're all hipsters here except for Snuff.

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At 6/12/12 06:02 PM, BananaBreadMuffin wrote: Complete contradiction if you ask me. A genre dying is it going out of fashion. There are still people who enjoy 20s swing, but I'd consider the genre as close to dead as it's going to get in that it's not in "popular" (to some degree of popular) fashion.

I disagree :P

Just because something is out of fashion doesn't make it dead. I'd say 20's swing is dead because it's no longer the 20's. I wouldn't say the swing scene is dead, it's just not thriving like it once did. I completely disagree that something has to be considered popular by the masses to be "alive". There's still enough people out their listening to and creating what I consider "real" punk music. It's just no longer one of the main scenes that you're going to hear people talking about. You can consider these scenes to be underground if you want, but I'd definitely disagree that they're dead.

Should I need to know a history of first wave and 2tone to appreciate Reel Big Fish? No, of course not!

Okay, you make a good point there. I don't know who Reel Big Fish are but surely you're at least familiar with some of the bands they take influence from? Do they at least have similarities with older bands from their genre, because this is kinda what I'm getting at. If I were to let your typical Green Day fan listen to a band like say... The Cockney Rejects (a big, well known punk band) and not tell them what genre it was, I'm willing to bet they wouldn't even have a clue that it's considered punk. This is sort of what my problem is. I can't really explain why it bothers me a little, but it does.

It's a shame, sure, that someone doesn't like your underappreciated genre of choice.

Maybe I'm taking this out of context, but this is definitely not what I was getting at. I never meant to come across as being all "you should only be able to like Green Day if you like proper punk". I'm not going to tell people what music to like. That would be pretty hypocritical of someone who has no interest in most of the music the radio tells me the listen to. I never meant to sound like I'm upset that my music isn't mainstream. I don't have a problem with that at all.

Like, it's a shame that punk now means two things

I guess this is one of my problems. You've met me Leo. Did I come across as some middle class kid who likes to moan about losing girlfriends and being bored? Because when I tell people I like punk, this is what some of them associate that genre with. I don't like that. I don't like being associated with that.

I'll do my best to educate them,

This is all I'm trying to do. I don't mean to come across as though I'm telling people what to listen to. It's just my goal to make people who listen to modern "punk" aware of what punk actually is. Nothing more, nothing less.

What I'm trying to get at is that some people just don't listen to music like we do.

Change of topic, but this is something I'm all too familiar with. It's saddening in a way, living in rural Scotland and being one of the only few younger folk to listen to punk. I have nobody my age to talk about music with here. I loved going into Edinburgh to see punk bands play in the past. People my age who actually appreciate this music. It's nice to just talk about it.


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-12 19:30:40 Reply

This BBM is better than the other one.

Also I'm the most hip guy here Oliver, nobody knows any of the bands I listen to.

Like, have you ever heard of Mastodon?

Didn't think so. They're way too hip for you.

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I just listen to music I like

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-13 03:49:02 Reply

At 6/12/12 08:29 PM, SineRider wrote: I just listen to music I like

yeah but that's lame

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-13 06:04:23 Reply

IIIIIIII am the hippest. Now get on your knees and worship your hipster overlord peasants! mwahahahahaa!

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-13 06:04:57 Reply

At 6/12/12 06:31 PM, Dean wrote:
Should I need to know a history of first wave and 2tone to appreciate Reel Big Fish? No, of course not!
Okay, you make a good point there. I don't know who Reel Big Fish are but surely you're at least familiar with some of the bands they take influence from?

Only thing I really want to say here is that I'm familiar with their history (although I used them as an example not because I like them but because I know of the history of ska better than most other genres for some reason heh), but I wouldn't consider myself the average music fan. I love music. My life revolves around music. It defines me and who I am. But some people just think greenday is(/are?) cool, I guess that's fine too.


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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-13 10:44:44 Reply

At 6/12/12 08:29 PM, SineRider wrote: I just listen to music I like

that would make it sort of hard to get exposed to different genres though but yeah there's less shit to encouter and skip

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At 6/13/12 10:44 AM, argile wrote:
At 6/12/12 08:29 PM, SineRider wrote: I just listen to music I like
that would make it sort of hard to get exposed to different genres though but yeah there's less shit to encouter and skip

That's a good point, although I didn't mean it like I'm completely shutting out new music because that's far from the truth. I'm generally open to anything.

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At 6/13/12 06:04 AM, SomaGuye wrote: IIIIIIII am the hippest. Now get on your knees and worship your hipster overlord peasants! mwahahahahaa!

I-I-I'm c-c-cool

I-I'm hip

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Response to Last.Fm Club 2012-06-13 14:59:44 Reply

Out of all the days to actually have a proper discussion in here, you guys just had to pick the ones that I was gone for?

I feel so left out.


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At 6/13/12 02:59 PM, Oolaph wrote: Out of all the days to actually have a proper discussion in here, you guys just had to pick the ones that I was gone for?

I feel so left out.

deal with it pleb.

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At 6/13/12 03:35 PM, Oliver wrote: deal with it pleb.

oolaph no pleb

oolaph lissen 2 thomas york and the radio heads

ulaf no bleb :(


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