Feminism vs. actual society

[Encratis]

I think feminism is a load of bull. Women have equal rights now. In fact they have a better chance of getting certain jobs because they're women. What CEO would want a male secretary when they could have a female one? Females can get any job they want. In construction, in the police, in the military, anything.

Tell me something that women can't do, or can't do because nobody will let them.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 11/3/07 10:19 PM, Encratis wrote: Tell me something that women can't do, or can't do because nobody will let them.

Give them equal pay.

[Encratis]

How do they not get equal pay? Different jobs get different pay.

[KeithHybrid]

Tell me something that women can't do, or can't do because nobody will let them.

They can't produce sperm cells.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 11/3/07 10:26 PM, Encratis wrote: How do they not get equal pay? Different jobs get different pay.

Men get paid more than women for doing the same type of jobs. Look it up.

[Encratis]

At 11/3/07 10:28 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:26 PM, Encratis wrote: How do they not get equal pay? Different jobs get different pay.

Men get paid more than women for doing the same type of jobs. Look it up.

It's your point, why don't you?

[Angry-Hatter]

At 11/3/07 10:29 PM, Encratis wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:28 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:26 PM, Encratis wrote: How do they not get equal pay? Different jobs get different pay.

Men get paid more than women for doing the same type of jobs. Look it up.

It's your point, why don't you?

Because it was you asking the question.

[Encratis]

At 11/3/07 10:31 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:29 PM, Encratis wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:28 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:26 PM, Encratis wrote: How do they not get equal pay? Different jobs get different pay.

Men get paid more than women for doing the same type of jobs. Look it up.

It's your point, why don't you?

Because it was you asking the question.

Right, but I already know what I think. Go ahead and try to enlighten me with your evidence.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 11/3/07 10:33 PM, Encratis wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:31 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:29 PM, Encratis wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:28 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:26 PM, Encratis wrote: How do they not get equal pay? Different jobs get different pay.

Men get paid more than women for doing the same type of jobs. Look it up.

It's your point, why don't you?

Because it was you asking the question.

Right, but I already know what I think. Go ahead and try to enlighten me with your evidence.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editori al_opinion/oped/articles/2005/10/09/the_
wage_gap/

30 seconds on google.

[shatterspike1]

At 11/3/07 10:39 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editori al_opinion/oped/articles/2005/10/09/the_
wage_gap/

30 seconds on google.

More evidence please? Actual comparisions of a woman's pay at a work place compared with a man in the same posistion.

[SizZlE666]

At 11/4/07 12:23 AM, shatterspike1 wrote: More evidence please? Actual comparisions of a woman's pay at a work place compared with a man in the same posistion.

What the hell do you want? A bloody government agent coming to your door and giving you classified legal documents?

[Hyperwave]

Read
This showsa few points on WHY Women are still beingpayed less

[Memorize]

At 11/3/07 10:25 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

Give them equal pay.

Let men have a say in the birth of a child/fetus.
Have women get the same sentence as men for a crime.

Then women can have equal pay.

[Hyperwave]

At 11/4/07 01:40 AM, Memorize wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:25 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

Give them equal pay.

Let men have a say in the birth of a child/fetus.
Have women get the same sentence as men for a crime.

Then women can have equal pay.

Not to mention having to sign up for the draft at 18.

[Angry-Hatter]

At 11/4/07 01:40 AM, Memorize wrote: Let men have a say in the birth of a child/fetus.

I disagree. You can't force a woman to have an abortion, and you can't force a woman to bear a child she doesn't want. It's her body, her choice.

However, I think that if a man accidentally knocked a woman up, he shouldn't be forced to pay for that kid if the woman refuses to have an abortion.

Have women get the same sentence as men for a crime.

I agree.

[zbox101]

There are many reasons women don't get treated fairly. Pyshcological, historical, sexism, biological, and many other reasons. They should get equal pay, but other things they brag about that there better than men at they have to prove and work harder to do. The reason they aren't in the fron lines, if there are two males male and a female and one male and one female are in trouble, but it's more nessecary to save the male, the male who must save one or the other is more likely to save the female than the male, as for leadership, I don't know, but I don't listen to anyone other than family and God anyway, if the president told me to do something and I didn't want to, he would just have to try and make me. Anyway, females think, act, and do things differently than males, the variables are huge, but fate will decide things about this.

[b8-2-sk8-h8]

Women DON'T get payed equally to men. In fact, I don't even HAVE to research it - I was at a school where the women teachers did not have the same income as the male ones.
Also, there are a lot of social rules. Objectification, Tomming of the sexes and a WHOLE slew of other things.... There's a lot more to it than just what you're mentioning.
Even feminism is divided. There are many different types of feminists. Not only women can BE feminist, as well.

If you're interested in this, read up on it. there are a lot of books that talk about it. The one I'm reading now is "female shauvanistic pig," where it talks about how women are treating other women.
My advice - don't just read Maddox and think he's telling the 100% truth.

[Imperator]

At 11/4/07 01:34 AM, Hyperwave wrote: Read
This showsa few points on WHY Women are still beingpayed less

They missed the # 1 reason why they get paid less:

Being a man, I'M the one who has to pay for dinner and the movie.....

End thread.

[Jizzlebang]

At 11/3/07 10:39 PM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:33 PM, Encratis wrote:
Right, but I already know what I think. Go ahead and try to enlighten me with your evidence.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editori al_opinion/oped/articles/2005/10/09/the_
wage_gap/

30 seconds on google.

Served.

[PhoenixTails]

Men need a say in the birth of a child if it is theirs.
Women need the same jail time for crimes.
On a related note, we need to get rid of fucking affirmative action.

[TheMason]

At 11/3/07 10:19 PM, Encratis wrote: Females can get any job they want. In construction, in the police, in the military, anything.

Infantry, special forces...

Most front line combat jobs are closed to women in the military. Even still there is crap they have to deal with that men do not. I worked with women on the flightline and there was an attitude that they were less capable than their male counterparts...and an attitude in some of the NCOs that women should not be there.

On the other hand, there are many points in feminism that I do not like. Especially the sexist elements that believe that masculinity is inferior to feminity. Why resolve conflict with more conflict?

[bitium-ribbon]

Would someone remind me why this is even an argument?

The points are on the table: women DO deserve equal pay for the same job (which they do NOT in fact get) but with the good must come the bad.

To the point about paying for dinner and a movie, thats just because we as a society have a pre-established load of bull about gender roles. Who says a woman can't pay for your meal? But we, as idiots - well, okay, you, because I don't date women - buy into all the chivalry nonsense, and women allow themselves to perpetuate the old stereotypes because they don't make the offer (good ol' tradition).

So, basically, the reason that the whole feminism thing is up for debate is because people are stupid and can't comprehend every facet of the arguments they make. Women and men both need to shape up. Feminism is a good movement, as long as it goes both ways.

[Shaggytheclown17]

I say this shit has gotten too far out of hand.
For one Women have had equal rights as men and much more, Men cant beat the shit out of a girl for any good reason, but thats not my point.

Women have to do what they can, n stop complaining about how its so fucking hard!
Any women you see around either with a high paying job, or with no job at all, they're totally fucking insane. But most of the girls with no job are much worse, they keep saying shit about the work being too hard like they've been pms for weeks.

Now Im not trying to say that Women are inferior er anything like that, Im jus saying that some women just dont want to take responsibility for their mistakes, if they fuck up on somthing they'll jus blame the men n shit jus cuz she cant do the job better.

Well im glad i got that off my chest, see u guys later.

[bitium-ribbon]

You do realize that there are just as many men who do the same thing for different and equally idiotic reasons...?

[YuanYan]

At 11/4/07 11:31 AM, TheMason wrote:

At 11/3/07 10:19 PM, Encratis wrote: Females can get any job they want. In construction, in the police, in the military, anything.

Infantry, special forces...

Well, a woman can have infantry as her MOS, and be deployed with an infantry brigade, but they try to avoid putting them in combat.

I thought women could join special forces as well.

[JakeHero]

Feminists make good pets, everyone should own one!

[K-RadPie]

At 11/4/07 01:01 PM, YuanYan wrote: Well, a woman can have infantry as her MOS, and be deployed with an infantry brigade, but they try to avoid putting them in combat.

I thought women could join special forces as well.

goarmy.com says otherwise.

[Memorize]

At 11/4/07 01:52 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

I disagree. You can't force a woman to have an abortion, and you can't force a woman to bear a child she doesn't want. It's her body, her choice.

Half the man's DNA = Half the man's body.

The only difference is that they're operating on the woman.

If a woman and a man engage in sexual activity while knowing full well what it could lead to, then they should act responsibly. If they are not ready to handle a child, then they should not be having sex, so it doesn't make sense to give them a free pass with zero punishment.

Also our current laws allow a minor to have an abortion without the consent of her parents. If the parents are to know if their child is smoking a cigarette or doing drugs that can have negative effects on his/her body, then why is it that an underage girl can have an abortion without the consent of her parents?

She lives under their house, under their rules, hasn't graduated high school, probly has no job. Why is it that this one issue allows her to go behind her parent's backs (and the boy as well)?

It's because of people's selfishness. They only allow it to happen because they know if they were caught in that situation then they would want a way out as well.

However, I think that if a man accidentally knocked a woman up, he shouldn't be forced to pay for that kid if the woman refuses to have an abortion.

Wrong.

If the man engages into sexual activity, then if a child is born afterwards it is his responsibility to raise that child as well as the woman's.

The only time a man shouldn't be obligated to pay is if the woman runs off with the child and suddenly comes back demanding that child support.

[IrishChrisman]

I know all this talk of male-dominated world is complete bull. Girls call us lunkheaded lil sex fiends=joke. Us calling them whiny lil bitches=sexsism. Reverse sexism and gender biased is rampat in the magority of first world countries. We have to grow up and learn to stop bitching.

[Ravariel]

At 11/5/07 05:05 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 11/4/07 01:52 AM, Angry-Hatter wrote:

I disagree. You can't force a woman to have an abortion, and you can't force a woman to bear a child she doesn't want. It's her body, her choice.

Half the man's DNA = Half the man's body.

Fine... then you gestate the kid.

The only difference is that they're operating on the woman.

That's... kind of a big difference.

...it doesn't make sense to give them a free pass with zero punishment.

Whoever said abortion ever equaled "zero punishment" or a "free pass"? You obviously haven't had the opportunity to talk with a woman about the kind of wrenching decision something like that is. Because only from ignorance could you make such a statement.

If the parents are to know if their child is smoking a cigarette or doing drugs that can have negative effects on his/her body...

Wait, are you saying parents must (by law) be informed about their child's smoking/drinking/drug use or that they should know? Because I see no statute in the law that says the parents have to be informed about anything. They usually are, since they're the guardians and generally the disciplinarians. But since when do we require notification for a completely legal and normally confidential procedure? Should we require doctors to consult with a parent if a minor wants to get an earring? What about a tattoo? Should doctor=patient confidentiality not apply to family members now?

Why is it that this one issue allows her to go behind her parent's backs (and the boy as well)?

Wow, you're naive if you think this is the only thing a minor can do without his/her parents' knowledge.