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At 12/23/07 12:44 AM, dooseyboy wrote: the thing with the krews/crews/clans/ etc is that they vote on their own submissions wether or not they are good or bad

REALLY??? How long did it take you to figure that one out?

At 12/23/07 01:12 AM, NEVR wrote:

At 12/23/07 12:44 AM, dooseyboy wrote: the thing with the krews/crews/clans/ etc is that they vote on their own submissions wether or not they are good or bad

REALLY??? How long did it take you to figure that one out?

I mean... to be perfectly honest almost everybody does that. =P

At 12/23/07 01:28 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:

At 12/23/07 01:12 AM, NEVR wrote:

At 12/23/07 12:44 AM, dooseyboy wrote: the thing with the krews/crews/clans/ etc is that they vote on their own submissions wether or not they are good or bad

REALLY??? How long did it take you to figure that one out?

I mean... to be perfectly honest almost everybody does that. =P

Everybody fifens their own submissions, but with most submissions, the submitter's vote isn't enough to pass it through the first wave of judgment. With large-scale groups, however, fifty or more members come on and vote during the first part of judgment, passing it through the first part. And then statwhores come along and vote 5 on all the crew-related submissions in the Portal for the free protection points. That's how a crew-related submission passes judgment and becomes a permanent part of NG.

With groups like the Clock Crew, groups which are serious about making good flash movies, that's not a problem, since they're good, so they'd be passed anyway. Hell, NG could probably use more submissions from the Clock Crew, and "knockoffs" which make equally good flashes. It only becomes a problem when spam crews circumvent the Blam system in this fashion, and use it to pass flashes which shouldn't have ever been made.

dam i hate those wanked up fuckwads.why are they wasting their and our time making stupid, trippy and annoying flash.i give them 1-2 'Blam This Peice Of Crap' every day.

At 12/24/07 02:49 AM, jimmythehedgehog wrote: dam i hate those wanked up fuckwads.why are they wasting their and our time making stupid, trippy and annoying flash.i give them 1-2 'Blam This Peice Of Crap' every day.

And the reason they don't get blammed is because many people think it is funny. (For some reason...)

At 12/24/07 01:32 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:

At 12/24/07 02:49 AM, jimmythehedgehog wrote: dam i hate those wanked up fuckwads.why are they wasting their and our time making stupid, trippy and annoying flash.i give them 1-2 'Blam This Peice Of Crap' every day.

And the reason they don't get blammed is because many people think it is funny. (For some reason...)

There's only a few who think that a false promise of hentai and a presentation of flashing lights and a 3500Hz square wave is "funny", and most of them are busy spamming the Portal as is. No, it's just CRMV (crew-related mass voting) and 11-year-old statwhores filling half or more of the 200 votes needed to pass or blam with 5s, and then the rest of us can't blam it.

Please may I post in this spam thread which should be in the General?

Its nothing to do with mass voting etc. or clan/krews and bolliks. I manage to get glowing letters on to the portal. How? because most of NG'ers dont watch the flash they just look at the filesize or the intro and vote accordingly.

Funny how anyone has yet to tell me how it is that if "spam" gets through the portal they lose out.

At 12/24/07 08:34 PM, JerkClock wrote: Funny how anyone has yet to tell me how it is that if "spam" gets through the portal they lose out.

There's no real argument against spam crews, it's the classic "I don't like something therefore I don't want to deal with it".

Spam crews make NG what it is. Bahamut made a good example to me, namely, what would NG be like if 'B' never passed judgement? 'B' is a part of NG history, and so will the KK be in years to come.

Yes exactly, blam happy crybabies need to grow up and get over it.

At 12/24/07 03:44 PM, NintendoMadness wrote: Please may I post in this spam thread which should be in the General?

No, it should be in questions because we are wondering many crew related questions such as the Kitty Krew and why they don't get blammed right away, It is a discussion thread. If it were a spam thread, there would be many people that would post harsh comments and random things.

Most of the spam crew members have supreme commander rank. That makes there submmisions pass easily.

At 12/24/07 08:38 PM, NEVR wrote:

At 12/24/07 08:34 PM, JerkClock wrote: Funny how anyone has yet to tell me how it is that if "spam" gets through the portal they lose out.

There's no real argument against spam crews, it's the classic "I don't like something therefore I don't want to deal with it".

Spam crews make NG what it is. Bahamut made a good example to me, namely, what would NG be like if 'B' never passed judgement? 'B' is a part of NG history, and so will the KK be in years to come.

Finally, someone makes a relatively good pro-spam arguement! But the thing is, spam just shouldn't be in the Portal (with B as the only exception, and only then in retrospect). The Blam system was set up early on, that bad submissions would be weeded out of the Portal. B passed only as by the good will of Tom Fulp, that good may come of it. SBC totaled out at 21 submissions, spread out mostly between 2001 and 2002, and he is called a "spammer". But BigFuzzyKitten has either made or been credited as co-author on over 600 submissions to date, most of them poorly made, some of them promising hentai and denying it to horny viewers, or able to trigger seizures in those with epilepsy due to flashing colors and patterns.

But how does it harm us, normal users who are not epileptic and are not searching for hentai? By annoying us; when we open a flash movie and watch it, most NG users would probably prefer to see a movie that is either well made, or one that the author at least tried his hardest on. KK movies, spam movies, do not usually fit these criteria (but just like the Star Syndicate, the KK sometimes strikes gold). The KK just submits intentionally crappy movies to the Portal, with most of their effort going into actually making them lack quality, not include it.

At 12/24/07 11:46 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote: The KK just submits intentionally crappy movies to the Portal, with most of their effort going into actually making them lack quality, not include it.

It's a ploy to try and get a rise out of overly sensitive NG users. The fact that this thread even exists is testament to the fact that they've succeeded in their intentions.

Ultimately, (and this is mainly to the original poster and anybody who agrees with him), why do you care? It's not like the spam hurts you, your family, your friends, or anybody else. It doesn't even affect the credibility of this website, as NG is the largest and most popular flash portal on the internet. There is absolutely no reason for you to react against spam submissions of groups. If you don't like it, ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to watch or vote on it, it's entirely your own choice.

I've said it before - spam will always be here on NG, so learn to live with it.

At 12/24/07 11:19 PM, Krazy-Rex wrote: Most of the spam crew members have supreme commander rank. That makes there submmisions pass easily.

EXACTLY. That is why they over abuse their power and should be banned or at least kicked for a while.

At 12/24/07 11:19 PM, Krazy-Rex wrote: Most of the spam crew members have supreme commander rank. That makes there submmisions pass easily.

And most of the KK doesn't have Supreme Commander rank.
BigFuzzyKitten: Pvt. First Class
Kes (BFK's main account): Corporal
Reaperssythe: Police Lieutenant
Wackyanimation: Corporal
LordZeebmork: Police Lieutenant
Clock-Ninja: Portal Security
And the list goes on and on. I don't think any of the KK has Supreme Commander.

At 12/25/07 10:51 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote:

At 12/24/07 11:19 PM, Krazy-Rex wrote: Most of the spam crew members have supreme commander rank. That makes there submmisions pass easily.

And most of the KK doesn't have Supreme Commander rank.
BigFuzzyKitten: Pvt. First Class
Kes (BFK's main account): Corporal
Reaperssythe: Police Lieutenant
Wackyanimation: Corporal
LordZeebmork: Police Lieutenant
Clock-Ninja: Portal Security
And the list goes on and on. I don't think any of the KK has Supreme Commander.

Some do, but that is not what makes their subbmissions pass. It is the fact that somebody sees it and randomly votes 5 on it because it itself is so random. And all of them vote 5 on it everyday.

I do wish that the kitty krew made flash as good as thier intros, its a shame after a long intro its spam usually. I have seen a few quite good submissons, i know they can make good stuff.

At 12/26/07 01:15 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:

At 12/25/07 10:51 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote:

At 12/24/07 11:19 PM, Krazy-Rex wrote: Most of the spam crew members have supreme commander rank. That makes there submmisions pass easily.

And most of the KK doesn't have Supreme Commander rank.
BigFuzzyKitten: Pvt. First Class
Kes (BFK's main account): Corporal
Reaperssythe: Police Lieutenant
Wackyanimation: Corporal
LordZeebmork: Police Lieutenant
Clock-Ninja: Portal Security
And the list goes on and on. I don't think any of the KK has Supreme Commander.

Some do, but that is not what makes their subbmissions pass. It is the fact that somebody sees it and randomly votes 5 on it because it itself is so random. And all of them vote 5 on it everyday.

Which KK members actually have that many Blams or Saves, that they can get the +60% Voting Power of Supreme Commander? Some of the individuals who submit poorly-made flash submissions have Supreme Commander (I'm talking mostly about AfroUnderscoreStud here), but they have contributed to the site in other ways over the years (in AfroUnderscoreStud's case, blamming, saving, and writing long, intelligent reviews). And by years, I don't just mean 2006 and 2007 like most KK members. Coming here in 06 or 07 wouldn't give most of them enough time to get such a high level of B/S as Supreme Commander. At most, they might have been able to achieve Colonel or something like that, if they signed up in February 2006 (when Kes signed up). And that's not taking into account that they mostly have to go to school (since most of them are around 15 years old), do homework, make flash (even though most KK flashes probably take about 2 hours, with some notable exceptions), on the NG Forums (most of them, at least), on the KK Forums, and that's just their waking hours. So no, the KK doesn't have Supreme Commanders, as far as I can tell.

At 12/24/07 08:34 PM, JerkClock wrote: Funny how anyone has yet to tell me how it is that if "spam" gets through the portal they lose out.

I don't understand that either... They don't lose out because it is what they want. They wish the entire portal was filled with spam such as blepping noises and flying dicks.

At 12/27/07 06:07 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:

At 12/24/07 08:34 PM, JerkClock wrote: Funny how anyone has yet to tell me how it is that if "spam" gets through the portal they lose out.

I don't understand that either... They don't lose out because it is what they want. They wish the entire portal was filled with spam such as blepping noises and flying dicks.

You completely misunderstood what he was saying. He was asking how people like you, who make threads bitching about spam crews, lose out when spam gets through the portal.

At 12/24/07 11:56 PM, NEVR wrote:

At 12/24/07 11:46 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote: The KK just submits intentionally crappy movies to the Portal, with most of their effort going into actually making them lack quality, not include it.

It's a ploy to try and get a rise out of overly sensitive NG users. The fact that this thread even exists is testament to the fact that they've succeeded in their intentions.

Ultimately, (and this is mainly to the original poster and anybody who agrees with him), why do you care? It's not like the spam hurts you, your family, your friends, or anybody else. It doesn't even affect the credibility of this website, as NG is the largest and most popular flash portal on the internet. There is absolutely no reason for you to react against spam submissions of groups. If you don't like it, ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to watch or vote on it, it's entirely your own choice.

I've said it before - spam will always be here on NG, so learn to live with it.

This thread has been around for quite awhile. Mayhaps it is time for me to help out in these "arguements" of spamming.

Yep, spam will always be here. It's pretty obvious that the spammers have fun in what they do, but the viewers do not have fun in watching (with small, certain exceptions). Spam is a permanent part of Newgrounds, and the only possible way for them to go, is for Newgrounds to go. And if Newgrounds had to shut down for some reason, The spam groups would move on to Youtube or whatever public, manipulative sites that seem appealing to them where they can submit whatever crap comes out of their many, low-life members.

Why do we want them to stop? We all have our own reasons. If you don't know yours, you're lost. Some of us, love Newgrounds and enjoyed their experiences here and feel they should repay this site by "cleaning the portal". Others, are tired of hearing odd screeching noises or weird songs in the background, or in Soulmaster's example, not receiving "promised Hentai". Why do we wish to fight? Because we choose to. You said it yourself, it's our decision.

We can learn to live with spam during our time here, but that would result in us being heartless statwhores who only want to bring down other, younger members.

Hey, BigFuzzyKitten. Yeah, I know you're here. I know you won't stop if hundreds, maybe thousands of people want you out, but I want you to ask yourself something. Why do you feel you should make these flashes? Is there a personal reason? Do you want others to suffer? Are you mad at the world? What is it?

That's all I feel I should say at this moment.

At 12/27/07 08:59 PM, Gustavos wrote: Why do we want them to stop? We all have our own reasons. If you don't know yours, you're lost. Some of us, love Newgrounds and enjoyed their experiences here and feel they should repay this site by "cleaning the portal". Others, are tired of hearing odd screeching noises or weird songs in the background, or in Soulmaster's example, not receiving "promised Hentai". Why do we wish to fight? Because we choose to. You said it yourself, it's our decision.

I'm not saying you can't fight, all I'm saying is that from my viewpoint, your resistance to it is completely in vain. I've been coming to NG for a long time, and in my time here a LOT of spam crews have passed through the portal, all of them receiving (at some point) the same criticism that the KK are receiving now. If spam crews were going to be abolished from NG, don't you think it would have been done years ago? The fact is that spamming in the portal is actually much less frequent than it used to be. There was a time when there were numerous crews active: the Clock Crew; the Bomb Brigade; the Uzi Union; the Robot Rangers; the Glock Group, to name a few. Despite the KK and other spammers, the spam situation has died down a lot from those days.

We can learn to live with spam during our time here, but that would result in us being heartless statwhores who only want to bring down other, younger members.

First of all, nobody is trying to 'bring down' younger members here. All I'm doing as a more experienced user (at least more so than a lot of the people in agreement with the plight of this thread, including you and the OP) is to try and get you to see the truth, which is that no measures or stands you take against these spam crews will come to anything. It's all been said before, it's all been dismissed before as users whining about stuff that they can't deal with.

Secondly, statwhores aren't 'heartless'. For the most part, statwhores have contributed a lot to the site, either in the form of aiding in the ranking of countless under judgement submissions, submitting flash or audio of their own, reviewing submissions, visiting the site daily, adding to the community on the BBS, etc. There's nothing wrong with being a statwhore unless you do it unashamedly and without any regard for NG or the NG community.

Thirdly, yes, despite everything I've said, you can still choose to bury your head and plough on with your 'fight against spam'. It's your choice. All I'm trying to do, as I previously said, is impart a bit of wisdom. Do what you think is right, but remember that just because you think something is right, it doesn't mean it will happen - the world doesn't work like that. If you ask me, you're better off leaving the KK to burn out of its own accord (even though by then a new spam crew will likely have come along).

Hey, BigFuzzyKitten. Yeah, I know you're here. I know you won't stop if hundreds, maybe thousands of people want you out, but I want you to ask yourself something. Why do you feel you should make these flashes? Is there a personal reason? Do you want others to suffer? Are you mad at the world? What is it?

Come on, if you have an ounce of common sense, this is obvious. They make their flashes because people react to them, in turn causing them to pay attention to them, and would you believe it, it's working. They have numerous threads about them on the BBS, and everyone who visits NG regularly knows who they are and what they do. It doesn't matter that all you guys hate them, they likely enjoy that fact and laugh about the measures you've taken to get them off NG. As they say, any publicity is good publicity.

At 12/27/07 09:52 PM, NEVR wrote: A giant Wall of Text expressing defeatist ideas.

OK, NEVR, I'll admit that there have been many spam groups, some of which stopped spamming (the Clock Crew, and, um, that's probably it), others of which have become defunct or dead (most of the rest). But except for the Star Syndicate (still alive, still part-spam, from what I've seen), no group in the past has spammed quite the way the KK does, on quite the scale the KK does. BigFuzzyKitten has over 600 submissions, either by him or that he was co-authored on, most of them complete crap.

I've looked into the past, and noticed that the separating factor between the crews who lived and the crews who died is, indeed, the hate as you said. But you neglected something. The Clock Crew, once hated, is now a much-loved flash crew. The Star Syndicate was very much hated, but is now in the process of growing up, like the Clocks were in late 2001 and 2002. The Glocks, the Uzis, and all the other failed groups, on the other hand, didn't get the hate, and so yes, they did fizzle out. So the real question is, do people want to see the KK do some more good flashes like this one by Kottbullar, or to end up a defunct crew, In my opinion, the Portal could always use more good crew movies (like those of the Clocks), so I choose to fight against the spam.

And you admit, that even if we do give up the fight, a new spam crew will come along. We do not want that, or at least I do not. That is why I, as well as some others, fight on. And if you think it's solely an inexperience thing, think again. Most of us may be 07 users (most of the higher-up KK members are 06ers, by the way), but I've found users from 06, and even one NGer with a 2004 sign-up date (Tanooki-John), who dislike the KK and think they should be stopped.

At 12/27/07 09:52 PM, NEVR wrote:

At 12/27/07 08:59 PM, Gustavos wrote:

I'm not saying you can't fight, all I'm saying is that from my viewpoint, your resistance to it is completely in vain. I've been coming to NG for a long time, and in my time here a LOT of spam crews have passed through the portal, all of them receiving (at some point) the same criticism that the KK are receiving now. If spam crews were going to be abolished from NG, don't you think it would have been done years ago? The fact is that spamming in the portal is actually much less frequent than it used to be. There was a time when there were numerous crews active: the Clock Crew; the Bomb Brigade; the Uzi Union; the Robot Rangers; the Glock Group, to name a few. Despite the KK and other spammers, the spam situation has died down a lot from those days.

I was never implying you said we can't fight, I was saying how we all feel we should fight for our own reasons. Our resistance to all this isn't completely in vain though. Yes, it's a fact that KK won't stop if we tell them to or make some anti-spam group. We've learned from the mistakes of past people like us. There's an alternate way to get rid of them, and it's in front of your eyes as you read through this thread.

First of all, nobody is trying to 'bring down' younger members here. All I'm doing as a more experienced user (at least more so than a lot of the people in agreement with the plight of this thread, including you and the OP) is to try and get you to see the truth, which is that no measures or stands you take against these spam crews will come to anything. It's all been said before, it's all been dismissed before as users whining about stuff that they can't deal with.

Secondly, statwhores aren't 'heartless'. For the most part, statwhores have contributed a lot to the site, either in the form of aiding in the ranking of countless under judgement submissions, submitting flash or audio of their own, reviewing submissions, visiting the site daily, adding to the community on the BBS, etc. There's nothing wrong with being a statwhore unless you do it unashamedly and without any regard for NG or the NG community.

Thirdly, yes, despite everything I've said, you can still choose to bury your head and plough on with your 'fight against spam'. It's your choice. All I'm trying to do, as I previously said, is impart a bit of wisdom. Do what you think is right, but remember that just because you think something is right, it doesn't mean it will happen - the world doesn't work like that. If you ask me, you're better off leaving the KK to burn out of its own accord (even though by then a new spam crew will likely have come along).

All that after a simple statement? I suppose I should tell you how I meant it.

We could learn to live with spam, but that may make some of us heartless statwhores who like to make noobs with ideas about NG feel like shit.

Simply because, the people who've been around for awhile aren't setting good examples for 07ers in the fields of good thoughts about helping Newgrounds. It was never a direct insult towards NG veterans.

Hey, BigFuzzyKitten. Yeah, I know you're here. I know you won't stop if hundreds, maybe thousands of people want you out, but I want you to ask yourself something. Why do you feel you should make these flashes? Is there a personal reason? Do you want others to suffer? Are you mad at the world? What is it?

Come on, if you have an ounce of common sense, this is obvious. They make their flashes because people react to them, in turn causing them to pay attention to them, and would you believe it, it's working. They have numerous threads about them on the BBS, and everyone who visits NG regularly knows who they are and what they do. It doesn't matter that all you guys hate them, they likely enjoy that fact and laugh about the measures you've taken to get them off NG. As they say, any publicity is good publicity.

That's likely the reason why they continue. I want to know why they started. So, are you trying to say that if we no longer pay attention to them, they would consider making a good flash? Like advertisement?

You know what, I've got an idea. Perhaps a new rule. If you're in the portal, and you find a KK submission, do NOT just blam and move on. Watch the movie and vote exactly the way you would another movie. I think we should all be fair even if we hate these guys. Plus, if they actually try on one of their flashes, and we all blam it, making it have the same score as all their other ones, they'll go back to their normal spamming ways. However, if we vote fairly, taking in the greatness of art, animation, story, and all the other things that make a good flash, it would give their flash (that they tried on) a better score and persuade them to do better.

And don't just vote fairly on these ones, on all of them. It'll give every flash the score it deserves.

So you see, if voting fairly was a practice between all Newgrounders, it can only do so much good for everyone.

Uh oh, that was my first time trying to respond to multiple things in one quote. I didn't do it very well.

The second paragraph is something I said. Sorry for double posting and the mistake.

At 12/27/07 06:08 PM, NEVR wrote:

At 12/27/07 06:07 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:

At 12/24/07 08:34 PM, JerkClock wrote: Funny how anyone has yet to tell me how it is that if "spam" gets through the portal they lose out.

I don't understand that either... They don't lose out because it is what they want. They wish the entire portal was filled with spam such as blepping noises and flying dicks.

You completely misunderstood what he was saying. He was asking how people like you, who make threads bitching about spam crews, lose out when spam gets through the portal.

I don't lose out. I get free Save points because they always pass somehow lol. This is just a discussion about the Kitty Krew and other Krews.

At 12/28/07 01:44 AM, sQueef wrote: I've heard of these "Kitty Krew" fellows before, and I've a right mind to smack 'em around a bit. Give em a good 'ol toss round tha' barbie.

Many people want to as well. But hey, free BLAM/SAVE points, like i said before. =P

At 12/29/07 01:55 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:

At 12/28/07 01:44 AM, sQueef wrote: I've heard of these "Kitty Krew" fellows before, and I've a right mind to smack 'em around a bit. Give em a good 'ol toss round tha' barbie.

Many people want to as well. But hey, free BLAM/SAVE points, like i said before. =P

hey asshole this thread doesnt belong in this section. pack it up and bring it over to General.

Lol backseat mod