The RIAA needs to learn a new word.

[Magna]

"Karma"

They've been screwing us over the years.
Now it's our turn.

This whole lawsuit thing is clearly bullshit because they can't squeeze enough pennies out of us to actually cover what they should get for copyright infringement so basically we just get jailtime for sharing.

What a load.

[BWS]

At 8/5/03 03:18 AM, Magna wrote: "Karma"

They've been screwing us over the years.
Now it's our turn.

This whole lawsuit thing is clearly bullshit because they can't squeeze enough pennies out of us to actually cover what they should get for copyright infringement so basically we just get jailtime for sharing.

What a load.

Well, I doubt well be the ones doing time for it. The thing is, its a important for the longrun. If they stop making so much money for it (I know, its a shitload), the supply of singers will diminish and therefore we dont have as much to listen to. This could be a good topic to debate:)

[Slizor]

Question: What is the RIAA?

[Ted-Easton]

Recording Industry of American Associates?
Or something similar.

But they should stop moaning and become more competitive. They're a bloated and spoiled industry that needs to learn things don't always go it's way.

[Magna]

At 8/5/03 10:19 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: But they should stop moaning and become more competitive. They're a bloated and spoiled industry that needs to learn things don't always go it's way.

Exactly. Here's the deal: almost everyone who downloads music would never steel something physical from the music store. Some of it is because thats risky, so they don't do it, the rest who download but dont shoplift do it because it doesn't bother their conscious. Really. It doesn't bother there conscious and i'm not quite sure why, but it doesn't bother mine either. Plus, i'm 100% sure i can get everything thats in my shared folder another way without using P2P programs... they have all those channells that play music, i could directly record that, and same with the family guy episodes, i could directly record that too. And besides, the fact that i could be in jail for sharing one file is ridiculous because my friends bring CDs, video tapes and DVDs over all the time! It doesn't matter that someone paid for it because i'm sure that the music that gets shared on P2P programs were actually bought and put on there computer.

Its all assbackwards. I feel very strongly about this issue because it affects (not effects) us all. And i cant stand it.

[Ted-Easton]

I've posted over and over again the reasons why it's not illegal to share files. I'm not going to go over it all again, but it's sufficive to say that the RIAA is bending the laws to suit their best interests.

[TheShrike]

I honestly think they should freely distribute lower quality mp3s, and try and sell the Albums as collectors items, or pack them full of features. For instance, you buy the CD, and you also get a DVD with music videos.

Of course, people would just copy and share the higher-quality versions, and the music videos woud be hacked and converted to divx almost immeadiately.

Oh well.

[Magna]

Shrike: Piracy cannot be stopped.

P.S. PLEASE SEND THE FLA.

[JMHX]

At 8/5/03 02:11 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: I've posted over and over again the reasons why it's not illegal to share files. I'm not going to go over it all again, but it's sufficive to say that the RIAA is bending the laws to suit their best interests.

Imagine that. Of course they're bending the laws to suit their needs -- that's what massive groups like the RIAA do. They are a group that, even more than Enron, are simply concerned with their personal profit. Join Bakshi, Pox and myself for the revolution we plan to begin against the RIAA, as was the case that boring NG Chatroom day.

[RoyBatty]

At 8/5/03 02:11 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: I've posted over and over again the reasons why it's not illegal to share files. I'm not going to go over it all again, but it's sufficive to say that the RIAA is bending the laws to suit their best interests.

Isn't money great...

[Magna]

At 8/5/03 02:35 PM, RoyBatty wrote:
Isn't money great...

Yes, which is why i don't blow mine on overpriced CDs. Video games take 10 times as much work to produce than CDs and cose only 5 times more. I never pirate games. Don't ask why i don't find that acceptable. Maybe i respect the gaming industry more.

[RoyBatty]

At 8/5/03 02:39 PM, Magna wrote:

:Yes, which is why i don't blow mine on overpriced CDs. Video games take 10 times as much work to produce than CDs and cose only 5 times more. I never pirate games. Don't ask why i don't find that acceptable. Maybe i respect the gaming industry more.

Depends on the company. Half of them toss out sequels that use the same engines, almost no new programming, and cliche storylines. I generally download first, if I like it I'll buy it. Unless it's Bioware or Masters of Orion. I buy any of those the minute I can just to support the companys.

[karasz]

so then instead of sitting at your computers bitching and moaning about stuff... DO SOMETHING

like i dunno, BOYCOTT buying music... get your friends to go along...

i would love to participate but i dont buy music now and all my friends have this thing about paying for their favorite bands, so in essence i can not help

[RoyBatty]

At 8/5/03 05:56 PM, karasz wrote: i would love to participate but i dont buy music now and all my friends have this thing about paying for their favorite bands, so in essence i can not help

I do boycott the RIAA, this has been going on for a long time. http://www.boycott-riaa.com/ I only buy CDs from companies and bands I really respect.

[FUNKbrs]

ah, memories....

I had an anti copyright thread before.

Fuck the RIAA. The artist recorded the music one time. After that the music should be shared for the edification of all mankind. Imagine what life would have been like if the RIAA had control of "Rock a bye baby" and other children's songs? You can't put a price on culture, damnit.

[JMHX]

At 8/5/03 06:10 PM, RoyBatty wrote:

At 8/5/03 05:56 PM, karasz wrote: i would love to participate but i dont buy music now and all my friends have this thing about paying for their favorite bands, so in essence i can not help

I do boycott the RIAA, this has been going on for a long time. http://www.boycott-riaa.com/ I only buy CDs from companies and bands I really respect.

I'm not a part of this, too, so quit bitching about bitching, ol' Karasz. We know you've just gone bitter in your old age, but I love you anyway.

[Slizor]

Related Question: Should it be illegal to make prints of Art?

[Magna]

At 8/6/03 07:22 AM, Slizor wrote: Related Question: Should it be illegal to make prints of Art?

Without permission of the artist, i think so.
Van Gogh (sp) = PWNED.

[JMHX]

At 8/6/03 07:22 AM, Slizor wrote: Related Question: Should it be illegal to make prints of Art?

Depends on how long the artist has been dead, if at all, and the consent of the original artist. I'm rusty on the laws involving drawn art, so I won't pretend to know anything about it.

[TimScheff]

The laws for copyright are generally all the same, regardless if it is art, music, books, or other creative endeavor. The copyright lasts for a set number of years past the death of the owner (I beleive its around 50). This has been streached over the past several years because Disney wants to protect Mickey and the gang from evil pirates and have sucessfully lobbied Congress to do so. (Though looking at Disney's movies they have no problem stealing and bastardizing other people's books and charachters).

Many of the RIAA's supporters have started to drop the term pirate in favor of variations on "e-shoplifting". They also try to make a passionate case young bands need records sales and copyright protections or they would have no incentive to make music. This aregument on their part is a load of crap for anyone who has tried to make it in the music industry. Sure there are some bands making big money off their albums but those bands are the ones on the biggest RIAA labels.
A young band on a small label (ie one that has not sold its soul and gone into debt to the large labels in the hope that Clearchannel will like you and add you to the list of the 50 bands it will play) benefits from p2p sharing (and even more when a p2p like napster had chat rooms for every genre of music). Those bands get thier money from having shows, the more people that get to hear your music on mp3 means more people at shows.

The RIAA is only seeking to protect its monopoly it has over musicians. The fact they supported the new FAA rules allowing for increased mergers for radio stations only shows where their interests are-- to assure only they and other large corporations have a say what we will listen to on the air.

[Magna]

I think that having your song shared by at least 20 people is every garage band's dream.

[Ogre13]

I oppose the RIAA's actions, and lawsuits. Though piracy is a -part- of the reason record sales have gone down, it is not the major issue. I personally believe that crappy music, and bitchy bands are responsible for their dwindling record sales. How many people have bought Metallica's new album? I haven't. I do not like their newer sound, and their little stunt with Napster has lost a lot of their fan following. I've seen their new video 'St. Anger' twice. First time was willing. Second time, was because nothing else was on.

[phantasm93]

Seems to me that they need to rethink their whole strategy. I'm sure a lot of consumers are tired of buying an album, only to find out the two songs they really liked are backed up by 8 songs that suck crap through a hose.

Simply put, knock off the whole "more bands=more money" mentality that lead to 50 different boy bands o' the week, get the quality back up to par, and the customers will come back. Until then, it's pirates ahoy.

Ahrrrrr...

[BootlegJones]

Just jailtime? Ha ha ha. Your really low-balling that.

[FUNKbrs]

You know, the Grateful Dead were the highest paid artists of their time, and they never had a hit album, and only had 2 hit singles despite their huge following. How did they get so rich? By doing what rappers and boy bands wish they could do: live improv on demand. They were a jam band, and kicked ass live. And in the end, its the live show that REAL music is all about. Oh and....

RIAA= Really Idiotic Ass Anglers.

and one more thing, listen to my audio portal submissions. Maybe then I can go to garage band heaven...

[Ogre13]

The RIAA is government funded, so I read. Which means, they get paid, when culprits get nabbed. So, they need some examples. People get busted, RIAA gets free money. Record labels get a high percent of the money from CD sales. The artist gets about a few cents per CD. Record sales go down because of crappy music, Record label gets pissed. Record label finds Napster, and uses it as a scapegoat. Blah blah blah, yackity yack. Looks like the ones getting screwed are us, and the artist. I don't know about you guys (and gals), but that just sucks.

[FUNKbrs]

Damn. I just looked at Ogre's personal profile. He looks just like me, only no glasses. That is just scary.

c'mon, click the sig, listen to the audio portal submissions, BE ONE OF US.....

[JMHX]

At 8/15/03 03:34 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Damn. I just looked at Ogre's personal profile. He looks just like me, only no glasses. That is just scary.

c'mon, click the sig, listen to the audio portal submissions, BE ONE OF US.....

You look like Captain Lou Albano?