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At 10/30/07 07:52 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Dumb & Useless?????
You don't have a click do you ?
I've heard there's 99 clicks to make a clue & I really believe you haven't got 1 click to your name.

The good that marijuanna can do is documented.
Doctors know that it's good for pain.
That it ISN"T ADDICTIVE.
You can legally get morphine prescriptions, but it is highly addictive, it can kill some people on their first time taking it.
hundreds of thousands of people , have trouble because of their prescription medication.
Thousands end up addicted to prescription drugs.
But your fine with that.
Its people like you who are true testimonials to goverment brainwashing, fill you full of bullshit & made up facts, that's all you need to feel your informed... so what religious denomination are you ?

C'mon just reading your comment in this thread tells me you have always had someone doing your thinking for you.

Then leave/never come to America, hophead. Marijuana is probably about as strong of a painkiller as aspirin, idiot. I've never seen a doctor recommend it for pain, because it is ineffective compared to other drugs. How about you go inhale a blunt, jump off a fucking cliff, sit up, and reset your own broken bones, since marijuana is a great substitute for morphine, according to you.

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At 11/2/07 05:17 PM, Hostile-Eagle wrote:

At 11/1/07 11:15 PM, Hostile-Eagle wrote: all of these dumbasses spending all thier cash and stealing just because they need a fix.. but people dont usually steal shit to sell to buy thier beer.

i didnt say people would stop stealing its just that with more people getting addicted thier would be an increase of breaking an entery and such. taking what i say and transfourming it to fit your own agenda is bullshit

No, what is bullshit is that by utilizing comparison in your argument you suggested either;

a) No-one gets addicted to alcohol (or at least, much less addicted if they like beer) ..or..
b) People addicted to alcohol don't steal.

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At 10/30/07 07:59 AM, JudgeDredd wrote:

At 10/29/07 01:04 PM, SaintStudios wrote: I really don't see how marijuana should be classified in the same group as heroin.

Obesity kills more people than weed. Heck, donuts should be in the same grouping as heroin lol.

LOL

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At 11/3/07 06:26 PM, Christopherr wrote: How about you go inhale a blunt, jump off a fucking cliff, sit up, and reset your own broken bones, since marijuana is a great substitute for morphine, according to you.

Would you recommend that someone do the same thing with morphine?

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At 11/3/07 06:26 PM, Christopherr wrote:

At 10/30/07 07:52 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Dumb & Useless?????
You don't have a click do you ?
I've heard there's 99 clicks to make a clue & I really believe you haven't got 1 click to your name.

The good that marijuanna can do is documented.
Doctors know that it's good for pain.

Then leave/never come to America, hophead. Marijuana is probably about as strong of a painkiller as aspirin, idiot. I've never seen a doctor recommend it for pain, because it is ineffective compared to other drugs. How about you go inhale a blunt, jump off a fucking cliff, sit up, and reset your own broken bones, since marijuana is a great substitute for morphine, according to you.

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I have tried it for pain.
I broke my left leg in 3 places this past summer, I have a nice new steel plate & pins in my leg now.
Morphine shut down my digestive system .I couldn't smoke in the hospital & Morphine injections & then pills were the only drug they had that cut the pain , codiene ,percoset - I refused oxycotin- made me so sick it felt like something inside me was trying to claw its way out.

It works much better in Morphine in these ways.
1) You cannot become addicted to it.- there are proven morphine addicts who have become addicted because of their DOCTOR ordered prescription.
2) You cannot O.D. smoking pot. - you can on Morphine
3) Morphine causes loss of appetite - Pot gives you the munchies.
Pot does not "take the pain away" but it allows you to compartmentalise it. Its in the back of your head, but you can function, 45 Mils of morphine knocks the shit out of most people( it did to me)

So when I came home with a legal prescription of morpine, & stool softner, & a protective UUUUhhhh stuff for my stomach lining , I said F#$% that & tried pot as recommended by a very good friend who is legally on pot for his degenerative osteoporosis, he takes it to help him handle the pain & to get him off the drugs that he has been building up a tolerence to.

So until you walk the walk asshole, shut up!

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At 11/13/07 03:11 PM, Elfer wrote: Would you recommend that someone do the same thing with morphine?

It got shot soldiers to get themselves to a medic; it can get a guy with a broken leg to do something too.

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At 11/13/07 05:19 PM, morefngdbs wrote: So until you walk the walk asshole, shut up!

I have already... I had to get surgery on my snapped arm when I was a kid, and I reassure you that pot would not help the surgery. In recovery, I just sucked up the pain, popped a couple aspirin, and got some rest.

Just get a prescription for painkillers that isn't high, and it will have the same dulling, but not crippling, effect as pot. The best drug for recovery is no drug.

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lets take this in perspective that people who dont do mj because its illegal, thierfor if it was legalized they would have nothing holding them back from trying some, i mean its bad enough having all of these dumbasses spending all thier cash and stealing just because they need a fix. now you want to add to that? thats just stupid on so many levels. yeah beer is legal but people dont usually steal shit to sell to buy thier beer.

I am not sure if this is true where you are or if you are simply unaware of the sorts of crimes that go on around you, but here in the United States, people rob, con and kill for alcohol money. They do it for marijuana, heroin, cigarettes, dogs, bikes, sex, status... so many things. If your point is that illegality keeps crime incidents lower, it does not. Crime rates are not the reason that marijuana is kept illegal. Legislators are more aware of the elevated crime rates from keeping weed illegal than you give them credit for. A few moronic legislators make for a great distraction from those who still want it illegal but don't want to confess to the reasons they wish to keep it that way.

I think it will be ages before we see any progress on the legality issue. The same hope and rumors have washed over us for decades. Nothing is different yet.

Pfizer could change everything in a matter of days if the company so chose, but they wouldn't do that. They already have more than enough power, knowledge and influence. What they do not have, however is a motive.

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Just get a prescription for painkillers that isn't high, and it will have the same dulling, but not crippling, effect as pot. The best drug for recovery is no drug.

Every human has a unique body chemistry. You can't generalize like that. I heavily sympathize with those folks who are undergoing rigorous chemotherapy treatments to rid themsleves of cancer. That is a terrible, but often necessary and exclusive treatment for their illness. The symptoms of the chemotherapy are devastating. Without the assistance of additional suppliments, patients suffer from a number of debilitating symptoms that can have even more serious and damaging side-effects. Most of these symptoms can be combatted effectively with THC... natural... not produced artificially by a drug conglomerate that has any bottom line in mind.

I have had broken bones, etc... prescribed painkillers either don't do their job or they cause side-effects that are less tolerable than the pain they are intended to kill. That's just me. I have a different body chemistry than you do.

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At 11/15/07 08:40 PM, Christopherr wrote:

At 11/13/07 03:11 PM, Elfer wrote: Would you recommend that someone do the same thing with morphine?

It got shot soldiers to get themselves to a medic; it can get a guy with a broken leg to do something too.

So what you're saying is, you think that it's reasonable that someone with morphine could get to a medic with a broken leg, but not somebody who used marijuana to dull the pain?

In fact, I think your original argument was that people should jump off a cliff and attempt to re-set their own bones, so your example is completely irrelevant.

At 11/15/07 08:47 PM, Christopherr wrote:

At 11/13/07 05:19 PM, morefngdbs wrote: So until you walk the walk asshole, shut up!

I have already... I had to get surgery on my snapped arm when I was a kid, and I reassure you that pot would not help the surgery. In recovery, I just sucked up the pain, popped a couple aspirin, and got some rest.

What about chronic pain patients? That's not really the same thing as pain from injuries, and marijuana is highly effective in treating it, but not as intoxicating or addictive as other prescription pain killers.

As for the "get a lower prescription" idea, the purpose of a prescribed dose is to give the patient a dose that is large enough to effectively treat their symptoms. Your argument basically says "People should live with either addiction, severe intoxication or pain because I have an arbitrary bias against another perfectly viable substance"

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I do not understand why the government keeps weed illegal.

I mean ever met a pothead?
If I was a politician and wanted to keep people at home prevent them from voting, legalizing this shot would make this power hungry wet dream come true.

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Few issues facing the country today are this important.

sarcasm

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Supporting the ability for terrorists to sell drugs on the black market is dumb. If we legalized all drugs, not just marijuana, people would stop turning to the black market for them. There'd also be much less crime rings running through our streets because people would be going to the store to buy drugs, not looking for an undergound crime ring. And guess what? Less crime rings means less murder and violence on our streets.

If people wanna do drugs and ruin their lives, who the fuck cares? It's their problem. So what if it kills them? They've got themselves to blame. I'd rather the people who do drugs gave our corporations their money and helped our economy instead of giving osama bin laden the money so they can support his habits. It's not like having to find drugs on the black market is stopping anyone to begin with.

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god yall are fking morons your picking apart every little thing i say like im fkin bush, always trying to find some shit wrong with what i say. if you would fking actually read a whole sentance, you would see that i never said people that are addicted to beer fking dont steal and kill for the gd money

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At 11/19/07 06:54 PM, JerkClock wrote:

If people wanna do drugs and ruin their lives, who the fuck cares? It's their problem. So what if it kills them? They've got themselves to blame. I'd rather the people who do drugs gave our corporations their money and helped our economy instead of giving osama bin laden the money so they can support his habits. It's not like having to find drugs on the black market is stopping anyone to begin with.

lets see start off with the problem of HUGE tax increases to deal with all thier dumbasses that go to rehab, get into accidents, cause them, and get arrested for acts commited under the influence, as if beer wasent enough now u wana add this shit? what the fk are u thinking?

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At 11/20/07 07:38 PM, Hostile-Eagle wrote: i never said people that are addicted to beer fking dont steal and kill for the gd money

At 11/1/07 11:15 PM, Hostile-Eagle wrote: yeah beer is legal but people dont usually steal shit to sell to buy thier beer.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Hostile-Eagle.

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At 11/20/07 07:38 PM, Hostile-Eagle wrote: god

Leave god out of this, I don';t think he wants part in this argument.

yall are

We are what? That sentence fragment makes no sense.

fking

Who's this king of f that you speak about.

morons

Yes, morons support the war on drugs, thanks for agreeing with me.

your picking

What exactly are we picking? You make no sense.

apart every little

What does little things being apart have to do with this.

thing i say

What specific thing you say do you refer to, and what of it? Don't just write, "thing i say" and expect us to get it.

like im fkin bush

No you're not "fkin bush", whatever "fkin bush" even is.

always trying

Correct and you're always failing too.

to find some

To find some what?

shit wrong with

Yeah I agree, there's plenty of shit wrong with the war on drugs.

what i say

You're kidding right? You don't even know what you say and have to ask us?

if you would

If I would what? Be specific.

fking

There is no "fking."

actually read a

Actually read a what? Be specific.

whole sentance

What's a "whole sentance?" Is there even a non-whole sentance?

you would see

I do see, that is how I am able to read your post.

that

That what? Be specific.

i never said

You never said what? Be specific.

people that are addicted to beer fking dont steal and kill for the gd money

There you go making that moronic statement again.

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I noticed a lot of people who's only argument is "Weed - It's illegal, so it's bad" and while they aren't saying it exactly like that, that's pretty much the message they are trying to convey. It's not bad.

Also, someone said that there was nicotine in marijuana. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but there isn't. Nicotine can be found in tobacco, tomatoes, coca leaves, and eggplants, not cannabis.

I've never heard of people putting cocaine in weed. At least, none of the people I get my weed from do. People who put cocaine in weed are low-life scum. However, that doesn't make the weed addictive. That makes cocaine addictive. Big news there, eh?

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At 11/21/07 01:20 PM, RubberBandMethod wrote: I've never heard of people putting cocaine in weed. At least, none of the people I get my weed from do. People who put cocaine in weed are low-life scum. However, that doesn't make the weed addictive. That makes cocaine addictive. Big news there, eh?

Plus, that's the effect of the Black Market. If anything, that's an argument FOR legalization, retards. You're saying that Black Market weed can be hazardous, even if that was largely true, legalization would solve that problem due to the fact that weed would be regulated.

I swear to God, there is a lot of ill-informed bullshit going on in this thread. There is no reason why marijuana should be illegal if alcohol and tobacco are legal. Let's face it, we live in a FREE society. People are able to make decisions for themselves and if they want to smoke marijuana in their free time, then that's their choice, especially since it's MUCH safer than the current legal recreational drugs out there.

The only opposition to legalization on this thread is from people who's facts come from so deep in their ass, they're finding gerbil skeletons.

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At 11/21/07 01:38 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

Plus, that's the effect of the Black Market. If anything, that's an argument FOR legalization, retards. You're saying that Black Market weed can be hazardous, even if that was largely true, legalization would solve that problem due to the fact that weed would be regulated.

Exactly. You know what's even sadder? The conservatives who talk anti-terror are the ones defending the war on drugs. Well since terrorism gets a lot of its money from selling drugs on the black market, as the conservatives themselves pointed out, why the fuck not gut terrorism by legalizing drugs? It makes no sense to me.

I swear to God, there is a lot of ill-informed bullshit going on in this thread. There is no reason why marijuana should be illegal if alcohol and tobacco are legal. Let's face it, we live in a FREE society. People are able to make decisions for themselves and if they want to smoke marijuana in their free time, then that's their choice, especially since it's MUCH safer than the current legal recreational drugs out there.

Agree.

The only opposition to legalization on this thread is from people who's facts come from so deep in their ass, they're finding gerbil skeletons.

Anyone who supports the war on drugs at all does so from either ignorance, stupidity, or love of tyranny.

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At 10/29/07 01:04 PM, SaintStudios wrote: I really don't see how marijuana should be classified in the same group as heroin. Heroin is as dangerously addictive drug which could easily kill someone, whilst marijuana basically gives you the same effects as alchohol (dizzyness, etc) without giving you a hangover. Personally, I tihnk it should be legalised, and put into the same group as tobacco and alchohol. Any thoughts?

Have you ever been high? It's a complete different feeling then what alcohol does to you.

Anyways, no it shouldn't be in the same class as heroin and yes it should be legalized. But legalize it and tax the hell out of it, that way the government can bring in a shit-load more money and who know, maybe it will help bring down a lot of the other taxes that we have to deal with right now. Also put an age limit and the like on it.

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At 11/21/07 02:11 PM, TonyTostieno wrote: Also put an age limit and the like on it.

Why? You should see how well the age limit works for alcohol. (Not very well.) So why bother? If there's an age limit, it should be like 13 or 14.

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At 11/21/07 04:33 PM, LordZeebmork wrote: Why? You should see how well the age limit works for alcohol. (Not very well.) So why bother? If there's an age limit, it should be like 13 or 14.

Age/Gender: 14, Male

Yeah, I'm sure you'd like that. Seriously, though, 18 is a good limit for legalized drugs. That's when you're legally considered an adult and using drugs responsibly is an adult decision. I figure if they think you're responsible enough to vote for the leaders of our country, then you'd be responsible enough to do drugs responsibly.

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At 11/21/07 04:41 PM, Gunter45 wrote: Age/Gender: 14, Male

Excellent argument.

Yeah, I'm sure you'd like that. Seriously, though, 18 is a good limit for legalized drugs. That's when you're legally considered an adult and using drugs responsibly is an adult decision.

Just because something is a law doesn't mean the law is right. Legality does not prove validity.

I figure if they think you're responsible enough to vote for the leaders of our country, then you'd be responsible enough to do drugs responsibly.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Look at the drinking age.

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At 10/30/07 01:25 AM, SEXY-FETUS wrote: People are starting to have more forward thinking towards marijuana. Expect it legalized in the near future.

I was in a court room recently and had the chance to see many trials.
8 out of 10 of them were for marijuana. With seizures and such; too much money is made off it to legalize it. It'll take several more generations i think before they even think about legalizing it.

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This thread makes me ooze laughter.

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To anyone who still believes what the goverment tells them about Marijuana Explain this.

http://www.intosanity.com/?p=8

I believe this debate has now ended please note the left door is for exiting only.

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At 11/21/07 10:41 PM, LordZeebmork wrote: Excellent argument.

I'm wrong? You wouldn't want marijuana legalized for 13/13 year olds because you're that age? It wasn't an argument to begin with, it's a simple observation.

Just because something is a law doesn't mean the law is right. Legality does not prove validity.

Not the point. Fact is, at 13 and 14, your body and mind are still developing in a very significant way. You are also finding your place in the world. At 18, most people have established who they are physically and mentally. It's not some arbitrary standard.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Look at the drinking age.

There are immature people at every age, however, 18 is the age where we've decided that the majority of people are capable of making their own decisions and dealing with the consequences. Again, it's not some arbitrary, unfair standard/

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At 11/22/07 03:01 AM, Gunter45 wrote: I'm wrong? You wouldn't want marijuana legalized for 13/13 year olds because you're that age?

Nah, I just think that the ages for some things are a bit too high.

Fact is, at 13 and 14, your body and mind are still developing in a very significant way. You are also finding your place in the world. At 18, most people have established who they are physically and mentally. It's not some arbitrary standard.

Actually, according to my psychology textbook, a person's opinions are still developing until the age of about 30, and they stay basically the same after that.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Look at the drinking age.

There are immature people at every age, however, 18 is the age where we've decided that the majority of people are capable of making their own decisions and dealing with the consequences. Again, it's not some arbitrary, unfair standard/

You're missing the point.

I figure if they think you're responsible enough to vote for the leaders of our country, then you'd be responsible enough to do drugs responsibly.

My point was that they obviously don't, as shown by the drinking age.

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legalise tits, fuck.