Healthy diets

[poxpower]

Not talking about weight-loss, but just every day regular diets...
We really do eat total crap in this society. Fuck I can't believe what I eat sometimes! Been some days where all I ate and drank was a bag of Doritos and some diet coke.

But anyways, for the benefit of, probably, the smarter part of the forum, here's some mildly interesting food facts!

See how shitty white bread is.
After you read this, you won't want to drink milk products again.
Animal protein don't make you stronger
Eat more often ( 5+ times a day )
Garlic = best food ever?

That's just for starters here... I'm by no means a healthy person, but now that I live alone, I can control what food I buy and when I eat it! Feel free to share whatever you know.

p.s. 30+% of people in rich nations are fat, and that has huge political and economical effects, so don't even ask why this is in here.

[tommyt1]

I agree that people's diet is a mess today, but let's think back 50 - 60 years, people eat just home made products, milk, saussages, white bread, etc. and they were fine. I know many old people that didn't see canned food the most of they'r lives and they'r doing great at the age of 70 or 80, sure they take medicine but that's innevitable. What was healthy for those people gotta to be healthy for me too, i always would preffer a home made bread then the stuff i get from the grocery store. Today people try to make the food better by altering it geneticaly but we really should let nature do it's job. There's nobody better then mother nature at making the best products, it had all the time necessary to develop what's the best and humans want to change it into better in a shorter period, nature will evolve them into superior vegetables, animals etc. but in time.

[stafffighter]

At 10/28/07 01:16 PM, poxpower wrote:

See how shitty white bread is.

After you read this, you won't want to drink milk products again.

Life without cheese. Are you insane?

Animal protein don't make you stronger

This is why I always follow up my lifting with peanuts.

Garlic = best food ever?

Lame vampire joke before like 40 other guys make it

The thing is that our bodies are incredibly resiliant. They have to be to put up with the shit we do. If you just make a little sense with what and how much you put into your body you don't have to be a health nut.

[Truth]

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[Gunter45]

I try to eat pretty healthy. I'll fix myself a good amount of pasta and make sure to get plenty of fruit and vegetables. I'm not really strict on it, but I exercise a lot, both on my own and for my job. That really helps a lot. Now, aside from bad cholesterols and all that other stuff, exercising vigorously is a great way to stay really healthy, even if you're not able to eat as well as you should all the time.

[SolInvictus]

At 10/28/07 01:16 PM, poxpower wrote: After you read this, you won't want to drink milk products again.

i guess i have no choice but to buy my own cow.

Animal protein don't make you stronger

and eat it.

[Brick-top]

Do you know what, I've seen SOO many damn commertials, news reports and school demands that people become more healthy it's pissing me off.

"You can eat what you want, just as long as it has 9 calories and tastes like piss"

[poxpower]

At 10/28/07 07:49 PM, stafffighter wrote:

The thing is that our bodies are incredibly resiliant.

Yeah I know it seems that way when we're young but going the way I am right now, it won't be cool to hit 50 :O
I could probably live off chocolate for an entire year without any noticeable effects other than getting fat, but that shit comes back to bite you down the road. It's like smoking.

At 10/28/07 08:17 PM, Brick-top wrote:

"You can eat what you want, just as long as it has 9 calories and tastes like piss"

I'm pretty sure Bud Light has more than 9 calories.

[SolInvictus]

if only it was easier to get fresh milk, damn pasteurisation ruining everything.

plus its so much more delicious.

[stafffighter]

At 10/28/07 09:12 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/28/07 07:49 PM, stafffighter wrote:

The thing is that our bodies are incredibly resiliant.

Yeah I know it seems that way when we're young but going the way I am right now, it won't be cool to hit 50 :O
I could probably live off chocolate for an entire year without any noticeable effects other than getting fat, but that shit comes back to bite you down the road. It's like smoking.

Yes and much like smokers they take it as a weird sign of empowerment that they can eat all the shit and get as gushy as they want. The long and short of it is that people have to care about their health enough to make the insanly obvous choices that promote health and people don't.
I like to snack, but I also work out and remember to have one twinkie and not eight. A lot of it is that easy.

[MortifiedPenguins]

I'm sure our bodies will be able to tolerate the horrors of milk, cheese and animal fats.

I mean, it's not like our society is Logans run.
We don't all die the moment we hit the age of 50(or whatever the age was, I can't remember)

Maybe it's the idea that we should eat in balance and proportion and you know, be able to live into our 80's with reasonable amount of trouble.

Cause, seeing as how old Baby Boomers are getting, and they shit that they did.
I'm sure we'll be okay.

[NHT123]

Our bodies need some protein; sadly I am going to copy and paste from an other thread; because I spent the time to type it out at peta-sucks.com and I will be damned if I spend an hour doing it again.

I will explain the science why it is healthier to eat both meat and vegetables. No one here is suggesting being on a pure protein diet.

The lymphatic system is a blood drainage system that needs to be trained VIA help of blood proteins. Because water is so hard to move on it's own through the network of capillaries. If there are not enough blood proteins to make its way through the concentrated gradient then water will get trapped in the body. This causes bloating, and is the reason that people in Africa who are starved from protein have bloated stomachs. However it would take a while to get the same effect; but I am sure vegetarians can find them selves in this position.

Secondly vegetables do not contain complete proteins like meat does. Proteins are such an important part of the body; it bulks up muscle and it strengthens the immune system. Proteins are needed for energy; and people who are vegetarians often appear very skinny because they are not able to bulk up on their low protein diets. A vegetarian will have to eat a whole lot of different vegetables in order to keep themselves healthy. Complete proteins may also be found in peanuts, certain beans and corn; however they are in much smaller amounts thus you have to eat quite a bit more of it. Eating more has been proven to reduce life span. They may also appear bloated because of the description above.

It is not healthier to be a vegetarian. We are designed to be omnivores for a reason; however if you got on a pure protein diet the opposite effect will happen; however I am sure it is healthier to be a vegetarian then somone who only eats meat. However this does not detract from the fact that we should eat some meat about 2-3 times a weak along with a vegetarian platter.

Don't forget about Iron; To prevent blood anemia. Iron is needed for oxygen in the hemoglobin in the blood; however when you take iron by its self instead of in meat then you open yourself to infection. So It is better to get it from meat then from Iron pills.

The science also says that eating protein can reduce fat; because it forces you to use up your stored fat's also known as lipids and carbohydrates; because protein is harder to split up in your body thus your body leaves it for last. However eating only hamburger meat is not a good way to do this; as unsaturated meat can do this all the same. However it would be better just to eat meat and vegetables in conjunction.

[cellardoor6]

I've actually been getting into organic food lately.

After reading about all the different chemicals in typical grocery store food, like how basically every processed food has at least one entirely unnatural, unhealthy chemical it, I got scared.

I read how Americans used to be the tallest people in the world, because Americans had an enormous abundance of healthy, natural food unlike any other country. Healthy diets made healthy children, and therefore therefore they grew taller. But recently, Americans have been getting shorter compared to some other countries because the typical American diet contains chemicals from processed food that stunt fetal growth and early childhood growth and don't provide proper nutrition.

So I've been picky as fuck lately when I go shopping for food, like almost excessive. Almost everything in my refrigerator is organic now. I'm not afraid of getting fat, I'm afraid of chemicals.

[SolInvictus]

At 10/28/07 11:16 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: I read how Americans used to be the tallest people in the world

are we talking the country's average height or the northern European white male's average height?

immigration from country's with shorter peoples throws makes a difference.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/28/07 11:35 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 10/28/07 11:16 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: I read how Americans used to be the tallest people in the world

are we talking the country's average height or the northern European white male's average height?

Americans were taller than northern Europeans at some point. A person of similar ancestry in the US would still be taller.

immigration from country's with shorter peoples throws makes a difference.

Some would argue that the countries that they descended from had shorter people partially due to their diet.

It's not all genetic.

[Elfer]

I don't know if I agree with the milk one. They talk a lot about how it's contaminated, then at the end they start mentioning all the supplements you have to take if you don't want to drink milk. All that article served to do was remind me of the benefits of having a glass of milk with dinner.

[Imperator]

My best friend is a food-science major at Michigan State so I get to hear about all the health code violations that occur with shipment, storage, and packaging.

Lemme put it this way, unless you like the taste of rat shit, I suggest you switch from pop in cans to the 2 liter bottles......and even then wash the damn thing before pouring.....

[poxpower]

At 10/29/07 12:51 AM, Elfer wrote: I don't know if I agree with the milk one. They talk a lot about how it's contaminated, then at the end they start mentioning all the supplements you have to take if you don't want to drink milk. All that article served to do was remind me of the benefits of having a glass of milk with dinner.

I think they're trying to sell some shit, but nevertheless, what is on that site is now popping up all over the place. 10 years ago, milk was God, but now you hear the message more and more about cutting down on it...
Anyways, what you get from milk, as far as I gather, is some fat, protein and calcium. Fat, you don't need, and protein and calcium can be found in a lot of other things. Especially the calcium part. People keep thinking that milk is the only source of calcium you can have, and thus put milk into it's own FOOD GROUP, which is retarded and feels like we're still in the 50's.
But you can get calcium from dark green vegetables, nuts, seeds, seafood... just a lot of places. And there's sources that are much better than milk on a per pound basis too.

Anyways, I have stopped drinking milk, though I still eat lots of cheese. But milk is starting to taste worse and worse to me, which is weird :O Every time I drink some pure, it's like licking some faint armpits.

But yeah I'd hate to completely give up on cheese and ice cream :p

Plus I have a cool book about cooking with stuff that's against cancer. Basically, here's stuff you should eat:

- Garlic and onions
- Soy
- Green Tea
- Cabbage
- Turmeric
- Berries
- Omega-3 rich foods ( red fish basically. COME HERE SALMON I WILL EAT YOU! )
- Tomatoes
- Citrus fruit

and a little bit of chocolate ( cocoa ) and red wine.

I assume that if you eat just this, you'll probably reduce your risk of getting just about every type of cancer by like 60-70%.

Been trying to eat berries, but that shit is expensive! It's like 5 bucks for 1/2 pound when I can get a whole bag of onions for 2 bucks haha. WHICH I DID TODAY. I've 5 pounds of onions richer.

[Ronald-McDonald-LoL]

You know, contrary to common belief, you need fat in your diet. Not a lot, but still some.
Also, fiber is one of the best foods for wieght loss.

[poxpower]

At 10/28/07 10:52 PM, NHT123 wrote:

I will explain the science why it is healthier to eat both meat and vegetables.

Didn't tell you to become a vegetarian, just to not eat red meat, or pork/ lamp and whatnot. I'll eat seafood until I die, and chickens can't run fast enough to escape my jaws.

This causes bloating, and is the reason that people in Africa who are starved from protein have bloated stomachs.

I'm pretty sure they are just starving overall. But yeah they have fucked up bellies compared to the inmates of concentration camps.

Eating more has been proven to reduce life span.

Well you have to make a choice between living fast and living long. Turtles live a really long time because they don't use up their metabolism at all. If you want to live 90 years half asleep, trying to accomplish your daily tasks without going into a deep slumber.. just try it :o
Anyways, vegetarians aren't known for eating more than other people. And you can take supplements, which is smaller than a steak, but who cares.

It is not healthier to be a vegetarian.

Meh, you can probably manage fine. Just eating meat will probably insure your fat, bloated death by the age of 60ish, but maybe not.

however when you take iron by its self instead of in meat then you open yourself to infection.

There's probably way more iron in vegetables than in any meat.

The science also says that eating protein can reduce fat

Yeah except there isn't really a meat that has only proteins and no fat. The closest you can get is probably white fish or shrimps/lobster.. and people usually get their animal protein from eggs, chicken, veal, pork, cows etc....And seafood goes into butter :p And white fish like Cod, with mayo.

The fatless protein are nuts, which is like the meat of the trees!

[Ronald-McDonald-LoL]

At 10/29/07 05:07 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/28/07 10:52 PM, NHT123 wrote:

The science also says that eating protein can reduce fat

Yeah except there isn't really a meat that has only proteins and no fat. The closest you can get is probably white fish or shrimps/lobster.. and people usually get their animal protein from eggs, chicken, veal, pork, cows etc....And seafood goes into butter :p And white fish like Cod, with mayo.

The fatless protein are nuts, which is like the meat of the trees!

I always thought that the best way to use protein is after exercise, when your body uses it to gain muscle mass. Other than that, protein is used as energy, and when energy isn't used, it becomes body fat.

[namanert]

At 10/28/07 07:49 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 10/28/07 01:16 PM, poxpower wrote:

After you read this, you won't want to drink milk products again.

Life without cheese. Are you insane?

If there was no such thing as cheese...many forums all over the internet would be empty...I can't even think of a life where there's no spam about cheese...weird...

[NHT123]

At 10/29/07 05:07 AM, poxpower wrote:

Never said you want us not to eat meat; however your body would rather use of carbohydrates and lipids/fats before protein. If you are eating a lot of protein your body will use that up first. However it is harder on your body to convert protein to energy.

[NHT123]

At 10/28/07 11:16 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
So I've been picky as fuck lately when I go shopping for food, like almost excessive. Almost everything in my refrigerator is organic now. I'm not afraid of getting fat, I'm afraid of chemicals.

Cellar, preservatives prevent things like botulism from going into your food. Botulism is a bacterium that grows in closed spaces; and is harmless until it dies. When it dies it leaves the most toxic poison known to man. However preservatives (chemicals) kill the bacteria preventing the illness. There are natural preservatives like salt; however these things are actually quite necessary to keep our food safe. Most people who get botulism get it from improperly preserved food.

[Elfer]

On the milk thing: I always drink skim milk, unless I'm really jonesin' for some milk and there's nothing available but 1% or 2%. Most of the time if I can't have skim I drink water instead. So I don't consider that a significant source of fat in my diet. That said, it's a good low-fat low-calorie source of protein and calcium.

Most of the fat and sugar in my diet comes from writing for the campus comedy paper, because we get free pizza and candy and shit. I burn that all off cycling during the rest of the week though. But winter's a-comin', so I guess I'll have to bust out the ol' skipping rope again.

Also dudes, if you want to eat a salad, you should use spinach instead of lettuce. Raw spinach is pretty much the best thing that there is. It tastes a thousand times better than cooked spinach (I don't know why people boil spinach, it's fucking disgusting), and it's crazy healthy for you.

[Empanado]

Well I certainly enjoy a ridiculously large amount of chopped garlic in my rice, to the point where it's basically garlic with rice, so I'm doin' fine in that department. Babes don't dig it but hey, what the hell do they know.
I also used to chew on a shitload of fish and seafood until I moved out from a coastal city into one where fish costs, like, a lot.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/29/07 08:36 AM, NHT123 wrote:

At 10/28/07 11:16 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
So I've been picky as fuck lately when I go shopping for food, like almost excessive. Almost everything in my refrigerator is organic now. I'm not afraid of getting fat, I'm afraid of chemicals.

Cellar, preservatives prevent things like botulism from going into your food.

Yeah, and you end up eating unnatural chemical preservatives...

Even then, I'm not just talking about preservatives. Processed food is filled with all sorts of chemicals, and even non-organic produce and fruit has pesticides and even has traces of cleaning agents from when they were transported or stored around industrial equipment.

I don't want that shit in my body, or in my pregnant fiance's body. I don't care if it has a useful purpose in protecting mass-produced food from bacteria, or whatever. I'd rather eat organic food that has neither bacteria nor chemicals.

Botulism is a bacterium that grows in closed spaces; and is harmless until it dies. When it dies it leaves the most toxic poison known to man. However preservatives (chemicals) kill the bacteria preventing the illness. There are natural preservatives like salt; however these things are actually quite necessary to keep our food safe.

And yet there is a large supply of organic food without preservatives. and without botulism-causing toxins.

Most people who get botulism get it from improperly preserved food.

Most people who get fat and eat unhealthy food get it from mass-produced, industrial-level food.

I'd rather stick to fresh, organic, local food. It's not like I'm getting my food from China and expecting their organic stuff to safe.

[morefngdbs]

At 10/28/07 01:16 PM, poxpower wrote: Not talking about weight-loss, but just every day regular diets...
We really do eat total crap in this society. Fuck I can't believe what I eat sometimes! Been some days where all I ate and drank was a bag of Doritos and some diet coke.

But anyways, for the benefit of, probably, the smarter part of the forum, here's some mildly interesting food facts!

See how shitty white bread is.

;
Try Flax sunflower seed bread, really good, so are any of the whole grain european breads they sell in all the bakeries around N.S. very dense bread, flavorful & great toasted.

After you read this, you won't want to drink milk products again.

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I wouldn't drink it befor I checked that out.
I get my dairy from real butter, cheese's esp: goatsmilk cheese, there are several places just in & around the Truro area that make these products

Animal protein don't make you stronger

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I just don't get the enjoyment from BBQ tofu, that I get from BBQ dead cow parts, my concession is in the country I can easily buy organic beef, grown just up the street, ( I drove by next years steaks, out in the field just yesterday)

Eat more often ( 5+ times a day )

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Small portions , I find the best way to eat when working, but pigging out on holidays once in a while still going to happen esp. when its home to mom's for a big dinner.

Garlic = best food ever?

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I love the smell of garlic cooking.

That's just for starters here... I'm by no means a healthy person, but now that I live alone, I can control what food I buy and when I eat it! Feel free to share whatever you know.

;
Go out to your kitchen, throw the salt shaker out in the garbage.
You don't need it.
Everything we buy that's packaged has too much salt.
You get more than you need now, throwing the damn salt shaker away is a simple thing you can do that's good for you.
Snack on fruit, instead of chips & chocolate, eat a banana or an apple, they're cheap & better for you than dorito's.
Stay hydrated, drinking water is good for you. (just don't drink out of the toilet bowl)

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

Everything's bad for you these days. All you every here is a health alert about how this thing is bad for you or that thing is bad for you. The way I see it is that I eat pretty healthy, not much fatty food, fairly low intake of red meat, plenty of excercise, ect. So I don't think there's that much for me to worry about.

[Bramly-apple]

At 10/28/07 11:16 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

I read how Americans used to be the tallest people in the world, because Americans had an enormous abundance of healthy, natural food unlike any other country. Healthy diets made healthy children, and therefore therefore they grew taller. But recently, Americans have been getting shorter compared to some other countries because the typical American diet contains chemicals from processed food that stunt fetal growth and early childhood growth and don't provide proper nutrition.

Thats true, when my mum grew up her family grew everything they ate and I hit 6 foot at 13(6 foot 2 now at 14) and my cousin has ended 6 foot 8.

So I'm gonna eat healthily for some freakishly huge kids :)