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Keep it the same, I like the way it is.

If a user is too lazy to scroll down to vote then we probably don't want him to vote anyway because he wouldn't be the type of person to take the time to vote objectively and fairly.

When you say the new system will use frames, does that mean the movie will be in its own frame, allowing me to use Mozilla's ability to view only one frame and save just the movie? I like to save the really good stuff on my hard drive. It would be really annoying if I had to save a movie along with all the associated comments and advertisements.

I think we (well, you ;]) should leave it as it is, it can cause some confusement and such and wouldn't work well, people got used to it and i think its a good sulution..

i dont get what u mean by the old system can u or someone else give an example, that would make things more clearly for most people i think.

The new style

Right this is what it means.
Before Newgrounds switched to frames, they use to have the flash animation on the same page as the author details and vote panel etc.

But when everything under that newgrounds logo now (in portal view), was what it was when newgrounds switched to frames (because the movie if it was too high would be covered by the frame above and the frame below so the movie had to open in a new window).

But now newgrounds doesnt use any frames, they are wondering whether to have the flash movie played on the same page as the author details.

WHATEVER THE OUTCOME NEWGROUNDS ARE NOT SWITCHING BACK TO FRAMES.

I would like to see it back to the way it was, without the popup for the movie. The popup windows for movies have been an annoyance to me for awhile. Maybe you guys should put in an option whether you want it in frames, or as a popup. Just an idea for you to ponder over.

Make changes that improve performance.

Find out why MS Explorer bombs out half way through loading some movies.

Frames are evil, you should just embed the movei at the top, and then put all the other stuff how it is, That would reduce the new page loading and the javascript necessity, but what do I know, they only pay me to do this everyday, hehe

ASfter having read the pros and cons, I vote for the old way.

At 8/4/03 11:48 PM, EmpyrealHell wrote: but what do I know, they only pay me to do this everyday, hehe

Do you also get paid to design cgi error pages? Because thats whats happening on your site, even on php pages!!! wtf lol

Stay the same- Im afraid of change! Actually after lloking at some of the pages (pico for example) from when it was different (loaded on the same page) I didnt like it. It would seem more cluttered and everything. I like it the way it is. Im on a 56K and NG isnt slow as it is so please stay the same. Keep up the good work guys!

Well to me, a separate window is great. I can go from flash to flash, opening the movies as i wish; and watching more than one movie at a time. Are you gonna take that right from me Tom? Huh? I've been on NG since the beginning but yeah...anyways change IS good but whatever its not my choice. What do I know.

k thx evil_dog i get it now and i like it how it is now better.

You could switch it to the old version, and also have a link so see if a user wants to open it in a new window.
I still prefer the option of being able to choose whether flash movies open up in a new window or on the author details page.

BRING BAK THE OLD FRONT PAGE, I CANT CLICK THE LINKS ON TOP AND CANT DO THE RESEARCH THING. PLZ, BRING BAK THE OLD ONE!!!

So we open the floor to debate, and an eventual poll. What does everyone think? Should the view page open Flash in its own window (like it does currently), or should the Flash be integrated into that same page?

hey every body i think this is a good i dea ive noticed that with new windows it takes a little longer for my computer to run movies so maybe that will change that but the cons do bring up a strong arguement but all things set aside i think that you tom should go for it bro.welp theres my 2 cents
-skip

great style. needs less incest, pervert bullshit. the blam needs to have a real word on it.

hull yeah check my profile out! oh yeah animal babies rock check the web site get some shit like the fucking fucker mousepad! #5

Leave it the way it is!

so, when are we going to try this?
Avenging Angel

to those who have high voting power: you are being controlled by the site. to keep your power, you must visit this site daily. while i do agree that this is an excellent site, i won't be controlled by their desire for my visit daily. mwuhahahahahahahaha mwuuuuhahahahahahahaahah! AHEM sorry about that.

PROS:
1) You can instantly see the submission you are looking for. No need to wait for a new window to open.
2) Some users may never even click the link to open the window.
3) Doesn't require javascript support.
4) Servers would serve out OVER 1 MILLION LESS pageviews per day, which should improve performance.
5) Database would also be hit OVER 1 MILLION LESS times per day, which should improve DB performance.

CONS:
1) Users might not scroll down as much to view the credits, vote, and read reviews.
2) If a movie spawns lots of windows or some crap, users will have no warning before it happens. Might make it harder to flag as well.
3) It COULD result in more bandwidth from every submission being viewed, but we don't think that will be a big difference.

I think it could get better if submissions were put in the same page as their credits. People can read all the things that are on under the link to open the flash window while they wait the flash to load. For the first CON I dont think ANY submissions will be loaded before anyone reads the age adverstiment and also the author's comments , to solve the problems of scroll you can put the text like the one is writen in the reply post page so the page wont be so large, or as usual to create a link to complete author's review if it's too large. For the second CON you can write important adverstiments under authos comments if necesary like. Warning: Flash contains pop ups windows or something like that. As for the third CON I cant say nothing because i dont even understand well how do the performance or DB performance works but i think it has more probabylities
to get faster than slower.

So all this leaves us whit 5 PROS and 1 CON which makes no individual-window flash disply a lot more useful.

NO individual-window display gains my vote

I like the way it is now, When I'm chatting or some thing I can drag the movie in a corner so I could check the movie and talk with people.
But ont he onther side, I's your site, and your bandwitch.

I like it the way it is now, what if I were to open a page and view the movie only to not rate it, go watch something else then decide to go back and rate it? I'd load the movie twice wasting more bandwidth.

Then what about the people who are looking for a certain movie? They look at a page (loading the animation in the process) and scroll down to find it's not the one they want, so they go look at another possible movie until it all goes to hell.

To cut down on database queries and page views simply have the new window contain only the flash itself. This way a whole other page view and database hit isn't needed to generate the flash and appropriate 'send to friend' link, all that has to be done is to load the file. There you go, millions of hits cut down without wasting bandwidth.

the view page should open Flash in its own window!!!

Anything that speeds up Newgrounds is heartily welcomed by non-broadband skinflint like myself.

I think NG should keep opening flash in new windows because :
- Flash player speed will be affected by the change. The more stuff you have in your browser the slower the flash will go, it's a rule. Even if this wont bother the majority of the crappy flash submitted in the portal, the great flash movies and even more the games will be affected. Some time the only fact of reducing the big browser window and only keep the flash window on your screen will get the flash to play faster.
- The flash width and height are always different so the new "all in one window" will sometimes look fine but with another width it will look strange.
- If you plan to use a frame window, you wont reduce your server page view because in a 2 frame window you have 3 html (or any other file type) files to view.. am i right ?
- I also think the bandwidth might raise a lot because it's not everytime that I check a page and check the flash. Some time i only whant to know what's the score of my flash. Some time i only want to know if some other flash artist have answer my review, or anything else. So with the flash opening in a new window, you dont oblige the viewer to download the flash. So if they read the author comments and saw that it's talking about church monkey, they can go see another shit without downloading and using the bandwidth to see the church monkey.
That's why i belive that you shouldnt change the window style.
The only thing you might do is put back the option "always open the movie" as it was in the past

it should stay the same
shy you ask
cuz i said so