At 1/10/08 02:16 PM, TheRoyalEnglishman wrote:
I didn't define success, nor mention the top 4.
Eh? That's completely irrelevant. It's pretty obvious what "success" is, but get stuck up on semantics rather than the point, if you like.
The difference is that Harry has been allowed to build his team. And it is HIS team. There are some excellent players in there.
I think we're moving on from the original point here - which is me disagreeing with your assertion that we're perennially poor because of a "big club" complex.
And Parker isn't a great player. He's a headless chicken who runs around a lot and puts in bad challenges, so what other "great players" have been forced out by the fans?Woodgate, Jenas, Bowyer, Kluivert, Robert, Viana, hell even Bramble is doing well at Wigan these days.
Don't be a dick. That's just a random list of players who've left and you know it. Woodgate went to Real Madrid for fuck's sake - how was that the fault of the fans (who worshipped him)? Anyone who thinks Jenas isn't shit is an eejit. Bowyer - the player who had an on-pitch fight and was abysmal and who wasn't even treated poorly by the fans. Kluivert - came here for one last big pay day, wasn't treated badly by the fans. Robert - lazy cunt but well liked, fell out with Sounness, not the fault of the fans. Viana - bought, didn't do much, sold, not forced out in any way, shape or form by the fans.
There seems to be a theme here.
And Bramble, wow, it was an absolute miracle that he lasted as long as he did, every single set of fans on the planet could not have went 5 years without booing that waste of space once and a while (and it really was only occasional, considering how absolutely awful he is/was).
Yes...but they're doing the opposite of what you said. They're actually saying that Newcastle is a 'big club' instead of blaming the fans for the label.
Are you being deliberately facetious? I said the "big club" label/obsession was DRIVEN by the media, which spurs on morons to assume that Newcastle fans think we were a massive club who deserved Champions League football just because Andy Gray or Gary Lineker called us a "big club".