Global Warming

[Monsoon48]

It has come to my attention that global warming affects is coming really soon:/ unfortuanatly for my generation. In the future people probably saw the movie "The Day After Tomorrow you already know wat is in store for you. This will probably be a reality in the next 40-50 yrs. Not 1000 not 1billion, its right around the corner. :/ Enjoy this while you can.

[Engelsman]

I doubt the effects of Global Warming will mean people freeze instantaneously or have the entire Northern Hemisphere change in 2 days.

[Schmut]

At 10/2/07 06:03 PM, Engelsman wrote: I doubt the effects of Global Warming will mean people freeze instantaneously or have the entire Northern Hemisphere change in 2 days.

No, that's a drastic worst case senario. The gulf stream will probably change direction, though, and that's bad news for me here in the UK. It's going to get a lot colder very quickly once it stops getting hotter.
Also, global warming is already here! We know it's happening, we know we're contributors; probably the biggest contributors. We just don't know what to do about it or even if we need to do anything.
The best thing for the young generation to do now is to make as much money as possible so we can afford to move to a sensibly temperatured place when global warming screws our world over completely. That's my solution, anyway. Other than that we can all just try to reduce our independant carbon footprints, we just can't know whether that'll save us or even if we really need saving. Either way, we can't force everybody to be more considerate of the environment. It seems as though most of our efforts are futile.
Mars also sounds like a good solution to me. It's my favourite planet, anyway, but we my not have colonies there for a hundred years or more.

The short of it: We are screwed!

[megalolord]

I don't believe that "Day after tomorrow" thing. The only thing is that i'm really ashamed with M.Harper.

[SlithVampir]

HOLY SHIT A CLIMATE TOPIC!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!

By morning we can expect a battle scarred flame war.

Either way, effects will start around 2015, most say.

[Engelsman]

The Gulf Stream getting diluted and stopping wont bring anything like what was shown in Day After Tomorrow. The UK's on the same latitude as Canada and Russia, so we'll get more snow. Along with rising temperatures we'll get less snow, so there might not be a huge change to Britain depending on if Global Warming or Cooling is the major factor.

People suggest that humans are the contributing factor to climate change, mainly due to an increase in industry, but that's only the start of it. Many countries such as China and India are rapidly growing and other countries are just beginning to industrialise. So where countries under the Kyoto agreement are trying to cut their carbon emissions, other places are just getting started.

Land use is also helping. With an increasing population, many areas are being converted into pasture for animals, who themselves give off plenty of methane. Deforestation in areas such as Brazil is changing the Albedo effect meaning the Earth is reflecting much of the Sun's energy back into the atmosphere. Pollution is blocking this so it's rebounding back and I'm sure you all understand the basic principles of it. Trees are no longer absorbing the solar energy and their absence also lowers evapotranspiration, decreasing rainfall helping desertification.

Melting ice caps raise sea levels, but they also act as a huge conductor for heat. Land heats up and cools down faster than water.

Diseases usually confined to tropical areas, such as Malaria, may move to more temperate areas and become prevalent in Europe.

So yeah, "p0llution maeks it warmerz" is the beginning.

[TheMason]

You know I saw a story on ABC News today: drought reveals archeological artifacts.

Now I know that I have heard a connection between this drought and GW.

However, if you look at it the drought is revealing land that was once inhabited that means that about 500-2,000 years ago Lake Okeechobee in Florida was much smaller than it is now.

Isn't this proof not of human-induced GW, but natural fluctuations in the Earth's climate? Afterall, man wasn't spewing CFCs into the atmosphere back then...

[Engelsman]

At 10/2/07 08:24 PM, TheMason wrote: Isn't this proof not of human-induced GW, but natural fluctuations in the Earth's climate? Afterall, man wasn't spewing CFCs into the atmosphere back then...

A natural rise is temperatures that usually happens over a long time has taken place in 100 years. Oddly around the time of the growth in industry. Coincidence?

Might be, but I always found it to be a good idea to assume the worst and plan for the future.

[SmilezRoyale]

I would only agree to changing my lifestyle if congress was prohibited by law to exempt themselfs from things such as the carbon tax, limits on driving, carpooling, etc.

That includes Celebrities.

I'm not going to be forced to change my lifestyle to 'save gai' while lawmakers and HollyWeirds maintain they're ability to fly in Jets and Emmit Tons upon Tons of Carbon emissions while enhancing they're carrier.

If only America would lower it's Car Safety Standards it could make lighter more european oriented cars, sadly American Culture isn't currently equipt to handle that kind of responsibility.

Amoung other things... How would you all feel if An Alternative Fuel Source Was Found. I'm Skeptical if enviormentalists even WANT an alternative fuel source [After all, the best fuel is no fuel]

Here's an excerpt from a green peace website:

Despite what the nuclear industry tells us, building enough nuclear power stations to make a meaningful reduction in greenhouse gas emissions would cost trillions of dollars, create tens of thousands of tons of lethal high-level radioactive waste, contribute to further proliferation of nuclear weapons materials, and result in a Chernobyl-scale accident once every decade. Perhaps most significantly, it will squander the resources necessary to implement meaningful climate change solutions.

1) Well First of all... since when was money an issue for enviormentalists to help save the enviorment; i guess that comes to the second point

2) The disaster occured in 1986, Why don't you compare the technologies they had back then [in every respect, medicine, military, cars, phones, computers, etc.] to what we have now.

[CaptainChip]

At 10/2/07 05:33 PM, Monsoon48 wrote: It has come to my attention that global warming affects is coming really soon:/ unfortuanatly for my generation. In the future people probably saw the movie "The Day After Tomorrow you already know wat is in store for you. This will probably be a reality in the next 40-50 yrs. Not 1000 not 1billion, its right around the corner. :/ Enjoy this while you can.

"The Day After Tomarrow" Stretches the truth. Just like Micheal Moore.

[Takoon]

I believe global warming to a certain extent, but not like The Day After Tomorrow. We probably won't live long enough to see major effects of it any greater than they are now, unless suddenly cows start being born at large rates and the ocean decides to vomit C02 rapidly.

I still like the green idea though. Smart Cars, public transportation, etc. But it doesn't do as much as you think. Unless every single person did it.

[TheMason]

At 10/2/07 08:33 PM, Engelsman wrote:

At 10/2/07 08:24 PM, TheMason wrote: Isn't this proof not of human-induced GW, but natural fluctuations in the Earth's climate? Afterall, man wasn't spewing CFCs into the atmosphere back then...

A natural rise is temperatures that usually happens over a long time has taken place in 100 years. Oddly around the time of the growth in industry. Coincidence?

And yet my question/point is dodged...

Might be, but I always found it to be a good idea to assume the worst and plan for the future.

Yes...lets go ahead and start making policy that will cause people to loose their jobs (middle and lower class people)...meanwhile Al Gore's family can continue consuming energy at a rate 10x the average family...

I guess we (the middle and lower class) should go ahead and bear this burden (based on weak evidence) while the rich, intellectual elites maintain their status quo...

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/2/07 10:22 PM, TheMason wrote:

At 10/2/07 08:33 PM, Engelsman wrote:

At 10/2/07 08:24 PM, TheMason wrote:

And yet my question/point is dodged...

Because it wasn't really a question, just a prepresumed statement.

You know, there can still be climate changes brought out by nature and man.

I don't think any scientist is going to say that there's no such thing as natural climate change, but not many are going to say there's no such as thing climate change effected by man.

[fahrenheit]

At 10/2/07 05:33 PM, Monsoon48 wrote: It has come to my attention that global warming affects is coming really soon:/

Alert the president!

[therealsylvos]

At 10/2/07 10:40 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 10/2/07 10:22 PM, TheMason wrote:

I don't think any scientist is going to say that there's no such thing as natural climate change, but not many are going to say there's no such as thing climate change effected by man.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CLIMATE CHANGE!!! (pets wooly mammoth "who's a good boy"?)

[Engelsman]

At 10/2/07 10:22 PM, TheMason wrote: And yet my question/point is dodged...

Ok, I'll try again.

Isn't this proof not of human-induced GW, but natural fluctuations in the Earth's climate?

No. It's a link about how different the landscape was 1000 years ago.

Yes...lets go ahead and start making policy that will cause people to loose their jobs (middle and lower class people)...meanwhile Al Gore's family can continue consuming energy at a rate 10x the average family...

This is a lame arse excuse created by people who believe that changing their lifestyle a little will cause the world to come crashing down.

Recycling a little more, investing some money in renewable energy sources, setting up conservation projects for areas at most risk, making plans for what to do in the event of a large scale climate change such as preparing flood defences and lowering waste from industry is not going to throw the lower/middle classes into deprivation.

I guess we (the middle and lower class) should go ahead and bear this burden (based on weak evidence) while the rich, intellectual elites maintain their status quo...

Yes, I choose you to go out and begin fire bombing factories to stop our impending doom.

[morefngdbs]

At 10/2/07 05:33 PM, Monsoon48 wrote: It has come to my attention that global warming affects is coming really soon:/

;
250 million years ago there was a period of global warming called the Permian Period.
Supposedly 9 out of every 10 species died off.
It has been said that it was caused by a massive volcanic eruptive event that occured world wide, it raised the earth's a mere 6 degree's.
Ice caps melted, water rose , storms increased blah, blah, blah.

On a brighter note , just got 3 cords of wood in to help heat the house this winter. I'm going to be burning a lot less oil this year (yea for me), but the trade off is I'm going to be burning up more trees( that's not really helping is it).

Is the fact of global warming going to cause me to stop.... hmmm freeze to death this winter, or survive longer by staying warm ?????

Looks like I'm throwing some more logs on the fire.
After all !
Why should I be the only one in the neighborhood to freeze to death.

[TheMason]

At 10/2/07 10:40 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 10/2/07 10:22 PM, TheMason wrote:

At 10/2/07 08:33 PM, Engelsman wrote:

At 10/2/07 08:24 PM, TheMason wrote:

And yet my question/point is dodged...

Because it wasn't really a question, just a prepresumed statement.

Isn't this proof not of human-induced GW, but natural fluctuations in the Earth's climate?

Hmm...looks like a question to me...

And as someone who writes tests for a living, a statement "prepresumed" or not is a legitimate prelude to a question...

And so my question was artfully dodged...

[TheMason]

At 10/3/07 09:08 AM, Engelsman wrote:

At 10/2/07 10:22 PM, TheMason wrote: And yet my question/point is dodged...

Ok, I'll try again.

Isn't this proof not of human-induced GW, but natural fluctuations in the Earth's climate?

No. It's a link about how different the landscape was 1000 years ago.

A landscape that has been altered by changes in the atmosphere...1000 years ago.

Yes...lets go ahead and start making policy that will cause people to loose their jobs (middle and lower class people)...meanwhile Al Gore's family can continue consuming energy at a rate 10x the average family...

This is a lame arse excuse created by people who believe that changing their lifestyle a little will cause the world to come crashing down.

Really, one of my classmates here is from a Canadian city close to the arctic and a factory was closed down in his hometown because of Kyoto style controls on factory carbon emmissions. 400 people lost their jobs. That is more than a "little" lifestyle change.

Recycling a little more, investing some money in renewable energy sources, setting up conservation projects for areas at most risk, making plans for what to do in the event of a large scale climate change such as preparing flood defences and lowering waste from industry is not going to throw the lower/middle classes into deprivation.

I'm not arguing the little things, in fact I am a huge fan of conservation and proponent. That comes from growing up in a rural setting where nature was outside my front door...not an hour drive from the city. Now that I live in College Town, USA I hate the air quality, traffic and urban filth. (I've also lived in larger cities such as St Louis and Seoul, S. Korea.)

But I'm not in favor of conservation because I fear the science fiction hysteronics of films such as The Day After Tomorrow or An Inconvienent Truth...

I guess we (the middle and lower class) should go ahead and bear this burden (based on weak evidence) while the rich, intellectual elites maintain their status quo...

Yes, I choose you to go out and begin fire bombing factories to stop our impending doom.

Funny thing there my friend, you don't really address my point here either...

Once Al Gore starts living what he preaches (taking his GW oath and reducing his carbon footprint by conserving energy...and NOT by buying 'offsets'), maybe I'll be able to take people like him seriously.

[jfella91]

Heh, back 20 years ago, we thought everyone would be perfect and futuristic, like in the Jetsons. Boy, were people dumb.

[Greggg586]

At 10/4/07 12:25 PM, jfella91 wrote: Heh, back 20 years ago, we thought everyone would be perfect and futuristic, like in the Jetsons. Boy, were people dumb.

the thing is the businesses that have the power to make the change to stop global warming favor cash in their pockets then the future of others. selfishness is soo.....easy

[K-RadPie]

At 10/4/07 05:45 PM, CHRlST wrote: electric cars,

Actually, considering their energy comes from mostly coal, wouldn't electric cars be even worse for carbon emissions?

[urbn]

Global warming does not exist PERIOD.

[K-RadPie]

At 10/4/07 06:13 PM, urbn wrote: Global warming does not exist PERIOD.

Explain Ice Ages.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 10/2/07 11:53 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 10/2/07 10:40 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 10/2/07 10:22 PM, TheMason wrote:

I don't think any scientist is going to say that there's no such thing as natural climate change, but not many are going to say there's no such as thing climate change effected by man.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CLIMATE CHANGE!!! (pets wooly mammoth "who's a good boy"?)

The mamoth was brought to extinction by overhunting. Kind of Contradictory to what your trying to say if i'm reading you right. You probably should have changed it to a Raptor.

[urbn]

At 10/4/07 06:15 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 10/4/07 06:13 PM, urbn wrote: Global warming does not exist PERIOD.

Explain Ice Ages.

Have we had one since the industrial revolution? No.

Ice Ages are NATURAL, global warming is not, which is why so many tards thought that it didn't exist.

I'm not a dipstick, I know that it does really exist, but fact is, we were due an ice age anyway, they happen periodically. We are just making it worse, and possibly fatal (unlike our homo sapien ancestors, who got through it... obviously).

[K-RadPie]

At 10/4/07 06:40 PM, urbn wrote: stuff

What the fuck? Now you're claiming that it DOES exist? Make up you're mind, bitch.

[Tim620]

We wont have to worry with "Canada's Minty Fresh Air Act!"
(e-sarcam) PS I'am Canadian

[urbn]

At 10/4/07 06:42 PM, K-RadPie wrote:
What the fuck? Now you're claiming that it DOES exist? Make up you're mind, bitch.

lol, you make me laugh.

It's called SARCASM. I think Global Warming exists. Yes. It seems that my Sarcastic comment stirred you up some. lol

[K-RadPie]

At 10/4/07 06:59 PM, urbn wrote: It's called SARCASM. I think Global Warming exists. Yes. It seems that my Sarcastic comment stirred you up some. lol

Okay. You got me.