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Review Mods 2003-07-22 21:58:41


For a short while now we have recruited trusted NG users to be review moderators. They have been scouring the site looking for users who abuse our review system. Mainly they have been going after users who submit spam links for sites that reward the spammer when people click their links. Right now all a review mod can do is ban users from submitting reviews. Once a user is banned NG admins (mainly myself) will review the offender's reviews and either terminate that users account or remove any offending reviews, send a warning, and then lift the ban.

So far things are going well and we seem to be making progress in discouraging link spammers. Everyone can once again thanks LilJim for programming this new powerful tool for NG! He is now working on a list so our review mods can scan through all reviews by date. So this is a warning to those who abuse our review system. Things that will get you banned include link spamming, flooding the review field with repeated characters or text, or making insults towards the author of the work you are reviewing (i.e. "You suck! You should die!") For those who are not familiar with our review guidelines please take this time to review our FAQ.


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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:01:54


finally something gets done about this.

I HATE it when guys review a movie by giving a link to their site.

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:05:19


Review mods are one of the greatest ideas for newgrounds since the automatic portal it self.

You rule wade!!!

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:09:25


about time someone did something about this, cuz im getting sick of going to threads and seeing all these links and crap like that

go Wade Fulp and LilJim!!

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:10:20


who are the review mods by the way?


you don't know if i'm joking or not

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:14:59


There certainly has been a great decline (as far as I can tell) of spam/gibberish reviews since... um... since that time when there were lots of them. =/ I can chalk it up only to individuals who have dedicated time and effort to keeping this site clean (well, as far as spam and abuse is concerned, anyway :) ). Many thanks to Wade and the crew!

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:17:45


Review Mods? How nice... I love the idea of this.

A great suggestion; Kill off these damn pop ups. it gets mind numbing after a while. Why don't you just uhh, put all the links on the bottom of every page instead, and let us users click on it? We get freebie points for clicking the link. *not necessarily buying their shit*

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:25:03


Cool.. That's a good idea Wade.. I can be a mod if you need any others..

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:25:37


Ok, well... thanx Wade.

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:26:27


So where does marking the reviews as "abusive" come into play in this review mod system? When we mark them as abusive are the review mods alerted or does it still go to an admin?


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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:29:03


About time we have sumthin to stop outwar and porn spammers in reviews!

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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:34:23


oh good, you got that FAQ going, cool cool,

btw, is there any way you could ya know...tell us who they are? it'd be funny if a user was a reveiw mod and didn't even notice, but i bet your in contact with them, still would be funny.

oh, bad reveiw, click on abusive

what's this? a ban button? hmm...ooo, 3 day ban for you....cool, me likey


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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:36:46


Yeah, i haven't seen a spam link in a while thanks to the review mods.

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:37:09


At 7/22/03 10:26 PM, Star_Cleaver wrote: So where does marking the reviews as "abusive" come into play in this review mod system? When we mark them as abusive are the review mods alerted or does it still go to an admin?

Excellent question, and I should have addressed this in my original post.

Okay... There are 3 choices as far as "Was this review helpful?" there is "Yes", "No", and "Abusive".

Basically a review can be unhelpful, but not abusive. Like if someone says "I didn't really care for this." that's not really helpful, but it's not abusive. When you click the abusive flag it will have an impact on your whistle level. If you flag a review as abusive and it is ultimately deleted you will gain a point, however if we find it isn't abusive and we clear the flag you will lose points.

We do have a list that we can monitor and it lists reviews that have been flagged as abusive. It got a bit out of hand and a lot to keep up with for just me to go through so we set up review mods to help weed out the bulk of the offenders. As we get them under control there will be less and less reviews flagged as "Abusive" and our abusive list will be easier to go through. So if you see a review that you feel is abusive feel free to flag it. This way if a review mod misses it I may catch it at some point. :)

Sorry if I kind of rambled on and confused anyone, I need to get to sleep.


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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 22:43:34


yeah i knew about the review mods and all but why did u pick a lot of the bbs mods. well maybe u have changed them. i have my ways of knowing.(well maybe they werent the mods but i got info from a trusty person. and if im not right then imma be pist) well just wondering why u picked ppl with jobs already?

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 23:04:11


good to see youre cracking down

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 23:04:16


Who are the review mods?

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 23:06:26


Rock on man, rock on :)

I've had more than my share of offensive/abusive reviews


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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 23:10:57


At 7/22/03 10:05 PM, Danvari wrote: Yeah, I knew about the review mods for a while. Thanks for the info.

Yeah, same here. Now if only I could be one =[

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-22 23:11:06


At 7/22/03 11:04 PM, Mushroom_Clock wrote: Who are the review mods?

I doubt any of them would say, the big reason being that they wouldn't want to be harassed by e-mails. But don't worry, they are doing their jobs, and helping out as best they can.

If Wade wants anyone to know, he'll say so.


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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 00:06:00


Are they checking low scoring moves as well. Because I was bored one day and I checked the reviews for Goo 2. Those are harsh coments.

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 00:24:32


O_O Woah really!? If this is true color me impressed. But how effective is this new system? Are Evil reviews going to start being deleted now or did they already start getting deleted? I'm definetley going to pay more attention to reviews to see how everything is being handled. Cool. But ah sorry about this but I have a sort of off topic question.

Since were trying to get people to be a little more responcible here with reviews....can someone please tell me if you are aloud to vote on your own movies and if you can why is it aloud? That just doesn't seem fair to me if you are so I'm curious.

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 00:39:48


Good idea

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 00:40:31


sweet, and don't forget outwar's sistersite, kingsofchaos.com


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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 00:44:54


At 7/23/03 12:32 AM, Dowg wrote: god, talk about irony, i login and read the news and find this under ur news wade:
silverwatcher sez: Great site http://www.outwar.com/page.php?x=13 02004

something I've learned, when you find a link... replace the "page.php?x=" to "reportspam.php?id="
example:

http://www.outwar.com/reportspam.php?id=1302004

By doing this you don't help them get any points and go straight to the reporting.


The point is... Don't lose your dinosaur.

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Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 00:53:27


Good cuz I was pretty pissed off at that one guy, that one time.....uh yeah.... You guys remember that one topic I made. hehehe....damn short term.

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 00:57:01


You have no idea how elated I am at the news of these changes. Oh, how my soul vibrates with joy at the text before me. Your words have left me jiggly, and full of juice.

Why, you might ask? (Or simply, WTF?)

Because I suddenly have yet another opportunity to bitch, piss, and moan - scream at the precipus of my lungs - recoil in horror and spring forward in attack.(Again, WTF?)

I'm referring to this new search engine of NG's designed to eliminate and deter would-be assholes spamming the site with outwar links and the like.

I'm also referring to the continued corruption of a once beautiful concept; The steady downward trajectory of purity lost in beaurocracy; And the death of all things good and true. (Perhaps a slight exageration.)

You see, kids, every two or three months we here at newgrounds like to fuck with a good thing. We encounter some small and easily surmountable problem and proceed in eliminating it by going completely overboard. First, we fix the problem. Then we initiate at least two new changes and/or useless features to the site which do little more then punish the majority for the actions of the few.

We have seen this before just months ago. A continuing problem with blammers at the portal leads to an ingenius lilJim coding effort to hide current vote score and track abusive blammers. This fixed the problem... However, (and of coarse) this was also accompanied with the hiding of current reviews - a needless addition which disenchanted the users and disassociated them from each other. This "solution" created a problem in that users could nolonger warn each other of malicious submissions.

So, does our admin team simply remove the code blocking acces to the review system, allowing the users to communicate with each other as before? Wha? Hell no. Let's create yet another needless feature - Blow the Whistle! Which, of coarse, was and is to this day, abused.

Let's review:

Problem - Blammers in the portal.
Solution - Block view of the current vote.
Solution - Track suspicous blam usage.
Solution - Block access to reviews until blammed/protected.
Solution - Blow the whistle on not only malicious code but also anything that you personally feel is inappropriate.
Solution - Track overuse use of blow the whistle.

(the list could go on, and has... see my previous BBS posts)

It seems to me that the first two solutions were the only necessary ones. Those that followed were solutions to problems created by solutions. And in the process of implementing all these nifty little features the users lost a lot in the way of our freedom to communicate with each other and to choose for ourselves what is and is not appropriate.

Today, I see a new pitfall looming just ahead. NG's administration is dealing with a sudden flood of (primarily outwar) links showing up in the forums and the reviews. Personally, I'm glad to see them working at kicking these little bastard spammers in the nuts. (crush a testical or two for me, Wade!)

But I also see that we're quickly going to find ourselves right back in the old 'problem-solution' game again, and no doubt the users will suffer the loss of freedom and democracy once more.

The proposed solution to the problem of spam is a server side tool that will either log or search for three specific instances of abuse to the review system.

1. Link spamming
2. Text flooding
3. Gratuitous Insults toward Authors

First, let us take note that although the primary problem that initiated the implementation of this change has been link spamming we are seeing two extranious additions as well. Further evidence of the 'overkill' method of problem solving here at NG.

As I've stated, you can sodomize the link spammers for all I care and you have my full support. As for banning the text flooding...

I don't really see why it matters in the least. The text limit on reviews limits how much kb any text flood is going to steal from the database and we users simply pass over a passage of "DDDDDDDDDDK" without it making much of an impact on our lives.

But - what the hell - If you must... Go ahead, cut out the text flooders.

Finally...we've reached the meat and potatoes of my unsurpassed rage.(Perhaps a slight exaggeration)

The last condition is that you may now be banned for insulting an author..!?. 'Scuze me? Did I hear that right?

Once again the administration has proposed a "solution" to a problem that isn't really a problem. Once again a new "feature" is enabled to protect us from ourselves. And once again, I see the democracy and the freedoms afforded by a site created by the users, for the users, and of the users slipping quickly away.

Here is a website who's most famed works involve school shootings, the anal rape of pokemon, and proposed assisination of damn near every pop culture icon ever!!! And you're going to tell us not to use naughty language? Not to insult one another? To... ahem... play nice???!

Personally, I got enough hipocracy out of the public education system, so if you don't mind -- take that shit down the street. On a more important note; despite societies constant reitteration of the concept that you should never fight... never hit anyone... I've found that sometimes, people need to be hit. Sometimes, people need a good beating to snap them out of their own stupidity.

Unfortunately the internet does not allow us the ability to physically render pain unto those deserving. (At least not yet.) However, those few of us blessed with a sharply spiked tongue are able to deliver an equal if not more powerful berage of blows simply with our words.

And now you stand before me proposing to take even that simple power away from us. Pardon? To even imply such a thing requires that I unsheath my sword and beat you with the blunt edge.

Half the fun of seeing a hideous flash is bashing the moron who made it and reading how others have similarly smited the author.

As it stands now you've already sucked the fun out of reading portal reviews by making us wait until ~120 votes to see any of them... Now the ones that are most interesting and most entertaining will get you banned???

HA! You guys really want to drive this site into the ground, huh? I never could have guessed that Newgrounds would opt for being happy, shiny, non-abrasive and politically correct over..... GOOD.

In conclusion, I would like to say this:

You suck! You should die!

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P.S.: God, I love this place!

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 01:20:36


At 7/23/03 12:57 AM, shade_v2 wrote: HA! You guys really want to drive this site into the ground,

i dont see how being user freindly will drive the site into the ground.

the problem with your argument is this: you do not see it from both sides.

the side you are choosing to oversee is that of flash authors. the ones that TRY with their movies.

now picture this, you work on a movie for a month, and for whatever reason, some people decide to review and say nothing but "sucks" and quickly vote 0. without taking time to properly outline and educate the Author as to WHY the flash movie isnt thier cup of tea.

sure there are a few jokers out there that work 5 minuytes on a piece of garbage that might deserve a kick in the crotch, but NG is about quality flash, and if the users that submit this quality leave then all we are left with is a bunch of kids who submit flash that isnt worth wiping your ass with.

you think that those kids CARE what you type to them? NO! they are doing what they are doing to get you to talk shit about them, so they can feel good that they made someone mad.

i hope i didnt lose you im spelling errors and bad grammar.


you don't know if i'm joking or not

Response to Review Mods 2003-07-23 01:25:53


At 7/23/03 12:57 AM, shade_v2 wrote:

Alright, since you went through all the trouble of replying, I'll reply to you. Btw, NG isn't an essay contest, just thought I'd let you know...but who cares...


I'm referring to this new search engine of NG's designed to eliminate and deter would-be assholes spamming the site with outwar links and the like.

There is no search engine for that. Or is that a metaphore


You see, kids, every two or three months we here at newgrounds like to fuck with a good thing. We encounter some small and easily surmountable problem and proceed in eliminating it by going completely overboard. First, we fix the problem. Then we initiate at least two new changes and/or useless features to the site which do little more then punish the majority for the actions of the few.

So basically, what you are saying, is that you can't abuse the review system anymore and that it pisses you off????

However, (and of coarse) this was also accompanied with the hiding of current reviews - a needless addition which disenchanted the users and disassociated them from each other.

You can now view the review right after you vote, and it doesn't take 100 people to flag a movie. A couple of whistles blown, and bye-bye. Besides, only the malicious auto-spawing shit was a problem, and its pretty rare anyways.

abused.

It's not

Let's review:

Problem - Blammers in the portal.
Solution - Block view of the current vote.

to insure fairness (which you seem to hate)

Solution - Track suspicous blam usage.

not, ABUSIVE blam usage

Solution - Block access to reviews until blammed/protected.

until you vote

Solution - Blow the whistle on not only malicious code but also anything that you personally feel is inappropriate.

no, not inapproprite, ABUSIVE

Solution - Track overuse use of blow the whistle.

you don't like that?


It seems to me that the first two solutions were the only necessary ones. Those that followed were solutions to problems created by solutions.

No, OUTWAR ( which is relatively new) and abusive reviews ( which have been there since day1)

And in the process of implementing all these nifty little features the users lost a lot in the way of our freedom to communicate with each other and to choose for ourselves what is and is not appropriate.

shut up. the only place where users communicate are on the BBS. Only the author needs to read ALL the reviews, and everyone can look at the best movies whenever. I don't see where the problem is


But I also see that we're quickly going to find ourselves right back in the old 'problem-solution' game again, and no doubt the users will suffer the loss of freedom and democracy once more.

no, that's a stupid prediction. are you talking about review mods??

The proposed solution to the problem of spam is a server side tool that will either log or search for three specific instances of abuse to the review system.

1. Link spamming

they are crafty, it would be impossible to do a filter for that, since the put random $$$ signs in the links and tell people to remove them when typing the url. The only solution is to go after them one by one

2. Text flooding

that's called the "max characters" limit

3. Gratuitous Insults toward Authors

No. Sometimes, a review contains some of those, but isn't abusive, or abusive enough. And again, too many things to keep track of

First, let us take note that although the primary problem that initiated the implementation of this change has been link spamming we are seeing two extranious additions as well. Further evidence of the 'overkill' method of problem solving here at NG.

??? no

too long, to be continued...