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At 10/16/07 12:31 PM, JoS wrote:

At 10/10/07 06:13 AM, Demosthenez wrote: You cant define terrorism, that is stupid. This isnt fucking Websters here so lets cut the shit.

Actually a definition is very necessary, otherwise the term terrorist is just another word for people you don't like, it becomes a political label rather than something concrete. How can you fight something you cannot define? If we don't have a definition we can label anyone and everyone as a terrorist just because we don't agree with them.

And thats, my friend, is the USA's plan, call anyone they dont like terrorists, andinvade thier countries in "the name of whats right".

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At 10/22/07 05:56 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

And thats, my friend, is the USA's plan, call anyone they dont like terrorists, andinvade thier countries in "the name of whats right".

Ahmudi, you should probably tread lightly, because you might remember what happened last time you graced us with your presence.

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At 10/22/07 05:54 AM, Ahmudi wrote: Dude, if thats the case i think that the whole Israeli army should be fired. They made a lot more "mistakes" than they acctually hit thier targets ... And by the way, you cant call a group of people terrorists and then go around bitching that they dont care about civilians, on the other hand, i can go around bitching that the Israeli army doesnt care for civilians, cuz they are supposed to be the "GOOD PEOPLE", right ?

If they are makeing alot of mistakes than someone should look into to it. but this is not about Israeli this is about us, we are not aiming for civilens we do our best to protect them.

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I was a terrorist long before this story.

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At 10/22/07 05:54 AM, Ahmudi wrote

And by the way, you cant call a group of people terrorists and then go around bitching that they dont care about civilians,

If the terrorist care about civilians than why the fuck do they set bombs off in civilian areas and kill sometimes over 100 civilians.

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At 10/22/07 06:04 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 10/22/07 05:56 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

And thats, my friend, is the USA's plan, call anyone they dont like terrorists, andinvade thier countries in "the name of whats right".

Ahmudi, you should probably tread lightly, because you might remember what happened last time you graced us with your presence.

its funny how you bitch and moan about how israel is just a victim and it's palestinians that are prolonging the conflict when the israeli state has hardly been involved in actually amending anything. in fact, it's interesting that you generalize all palestinians as being hezbollah fighters and consistently use the same picture to illustrate a moot point - "palestinians use human shields". israeli's have, israeli soldiers have murdered and maimed palestinians too. israeli's beat up palestinians on the streets. the israeli state legally discriminates against non-jewish and palestinians. israeli's write mocking messages to palestinian children on their bombs.

how do you differentiate between them? "oh but it's not israeli policy to do these things". NOR is it in the palestinian handbook for how to deal with combatants. these instances are caused by terrorists, you know, people that even palestinians oppose hence the majority vote for fatah over hamas and also the fact that hamas' policies are based on israeli's atrocities and methodic discrimination against palestinians.

education and land rights or just simply the fact that they eradicate existing arab settlements and then reclaim them.

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At 10/22/07 10:41 AM, LordJaric wrote: If they are makeing alot of mistakes than someone should look into to it. but this is not about Israeli this is about us, we are not aiming for civilens we do our best to protect them.

I know, but if you take a look you ll see that this started as a way of me commenting about a definition of "terrorism". But it went a little further than that ...

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At 10/22/07 06:04 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
Ahmudi, you should probably tread lightly, because you might remember what happened last time you graced us with your presence.

Wassup dude, i remember you, you are the guy who sent me hate PMs because i dont agree with you about the Palestine vs Israel thingi .... Long time no see, i was hoping that it would be longer, but all good things have to come to an end, right ?

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At 10/22/07 10:41 AM, LordJaric wrote:
If they are makeing alot of mistakes than someone should look into to it. but this is not about Israeli this is about us, we are not aiming for civilens we do our best to protect them.

I really not sure about how many died in this war, but from what i heard, many are dieing, and if what i heard is right, then you guys arnt doing a very good job protecting this nation that you are supposed to be "Freeing". BTW, who named the USA "Freedom Fighter of the World"? I dont recall them being voted for this position. And as far as i know, entering another country with an army and without the authorization of the USA2 (UN), the USA is raging a war against Iraq.

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At 10/22/07 01:34 PM, LordJaric wrote:
If the terrorist care about civilians than why the fuck do they set bombs off in civilian areas and kill sometimes over 100 civilians.

Dude, they are called terrorists for a reason, they spread terror, and they DONT care about people. I never said that terrorists are good guys, all i said that the term "terrorist" is being used for any group of people as a reason to legally attack this group. And i said, that if you want to call a group "terrorists", you will make no sense accusing them of being outlaws, which is what many people here are doing, bitching around because terrorists arnt "nice".

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At 10/22/07 01:40 PM, tony4moroney wrote: its funny how you bitch and moan about how israel is just a victim and it's palestinians that are prolonging the conflict

Actually it's not funny, it's called logical, rational, educated etc.. Because well, it's a fact that the Palestinians are prolonging the conflict considering every potential peace deal and cease fire has been violated by the Palestinians, not Israel. Every single incursion into Palestinian territories, almost every bombing that takes place by Israelis is usually a response to Palestinians launching mortars, rockets, setting up attacks, trying to break into Israeli territory to suicide bomb etc...

when the israeli state has hardly been involved in actually amending anything.

Even though Israel recognizes Palestine, has participated and held up its bargain in every ceasefire and peace deal except for after the Palestinians violate it. Even though Israel actually uses enormous restraint given their situation and given the fact that if they were as evil as the blood-thirty terrorists you support that control Palestine, there would be no Palestine considering Israel's military power.

in fact, it's interesting that you generalize all palestinians as being hezbollah fighters

Try Hamas, and no not all Palestinians are Hamas fighters, but their society sure as hell trains their children to be just that from the beginning. Palestinian television fills their children's minds with lies about their past, and lies about Israel today in order to breed hordes of hate-filled Palestinians intentionally to perpetuate a conflict.

and consistently use the same picture to illustrate a moot point - "palestinians use human shields". israeli's have

Not really. Palestinians ACTUALLY USE THEIR CHILDREN as human shields in the middle of gun battles. They intentionally launch rockets and mortars at Israel from civilian areas, including schools and mosques, with the full knowledge that for ISrael to protect its own people, it will have to strike militants and cause civilian death as collateral damage. This perpetuates the conflict because not only are the Palestinians almost always the ones to start an escalation, but when they do they make it appear as if Israel is responsible.

Israel fights the Palestinians to protect their own children.
Palestinians use their own children to fight Israel.

It's a fundamental difference. The fact that complete idiots like you think otherwise is proof that Palestinian methods of propaganda are effective.

israeli soldiers have murdered and maimed palestinians too

Instances where Israelis have actually murdered innocent people is incredibly rare, and this is against the policies of Israel. "Maimed" Palestinians by Israeli bombs were usually located right near their own "heros" their own fighters that intentionally operate while surrounded by women and children.

israeli's beat up palestinians on the streets.

Palestinians official goal is to suicide bomb innocent people. Israeli soldiers that "beat up" Palestinians on the streets are breaking their own rules, and even if they do that, that's hardly comparable to what would happen if Jews walked into the Palestinian territories. Heads would roll, literally.

the israeli state legally discriminates against non-jewish and palestinians.

And that's comparable to Palestine where if Jews were located there they'd get their heads cut off? Discrimination to a small degree is no less wrong, but it is in no way comparable to what would take place and does take place in a Palestinian system.

israeli's write mocking messages to palestinian children on their bombs.

Prove it you brainwashed fool.

how do you differentiate between them? "oh but it's not israeli policy to do these things". NOR is it in the palestinian handbook for how to deal with combatants.

Lol actually the Palestinian society is ruled by Islam, and a very militant verison of it. The official policy of Hamas is to attack Israeli citizens using suicide bombers and mortars. If the terrorists that you supported had a FRACTION of the military power that Israel has, there would be millions of dead Jews.

these instances are caused by terrorists, you know, people that even palestinians oppose hence the majority vote for fatah over hamas

Are you out of your fucking mind? Hamas was elected in Palestine. The group that is considered a terrorist organization by basically everyone, was ELECTED.

Fatah lost it's majority, big time.

and also the fact that hamas' policies are based on israeli's atrocities and methodic discrimination against palestinians.

Actually Hamas's polices are based on their own atrocities that are distorted to apply to Israel. It's based on the propaganda that their people get force fed by agenda-driven Islamists who intentionally lie to their people and INTENTIONALLY use them as human shields to validate their propaganda when civilians end up getting killed.

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They are trying to make us look bad is all, they want to send a message to other middle eastern countries that we are bad evil people who all we want to do is kill muslims and other various middle easterners.

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At 10/22/07 09:06 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
Actually it's not funny, it's called logical, rational, educated etc.. Because well, it's a fact that the Palestinians are prolonging the conflict considering every potential peace deal and cease fire has been violated by the Palestinians, not Israel. Every single incursion into Palestinian territories, almost every bombing that takes place by Israelis is usually a response to Palestinians launching mortars, rockets, setting up attacks, trying to break into Israeli territory to suicide bomb etc...

First of all, and i dont care what you heard or think, Palestine was entirly arabic, but some one had this bright idea of kicking the arabs out to create country for the poor little jews. So, in this case, Israel is invading Palestine. And ... rockets ? I didnt know the Palestinians were armed so well, i wonder how they, with the help of many arabic countries, lost to the Israelians ...

Even though Israel recognizes Palestine, has participated and held up its bargain in every ceasefire and peace deal except for after the Palestinians violate it. Even though Israel actually uses enormous restraint given their situation and given the fact that if they were as evil as the blood-thirty terrorists you support that control Palestine, there would be no Palestine considering Israel's military power.

Dude, there IS no Palestine these days, Israel is treating the arabs as visitors in thier land ... And Israel isnt as strong as you think, they were gonna be defeated in one of the war, i forgot the name, Something Kopur, but "something", that you deny that happened, happened, which is, Israel threatened to nuke the capitals of arabic countries if they didnt retreat.

Try Hamas, and no not all Palestinians are Hamas fighters, but their society sure as hell trains their children to be just that from the beginning. Palestinian television fills their children's minds with lies about their past, and lies about Israel today in order to breed hordes of hate-filled Palestinians intentionally to perpetuate a conflict.

Lies like what? Like that the arabs lived there first before the jews? Guess what, that isnt a lie.

Not really. Palestinians ACTUALLY USE THEIR CHILDREN as human shields in the middle of gun battles. They intentionally launch rockets and mortars at Israel from civilian areas, including schools and mosques, with the full knowledge that for ISrael to protect its own people, it will have to strike militants and cause civilian death as collateral damage. This perpetuates the conflict because not only are the Palestinians almost always the ones to start an escalation, but when they do they make it appear as if Israel is responsible.

Israel fights the Palestinians to protect their own children.
Palestinians use their own children to fight Israel.

It's a fundamental difference. The fact that complete idiots like you think otherwise is proof that Palestinian methods of propaganda are effective.

Riiight .... Arabs are so heartless that they get thier wives pregnant for 9 monthes and raise thier children then when the get old enough, they get them killed by using them as human sheild ... [sarcasim] Oww, that makes sense...[/sarcasim]
The Palestinians are fighting to get back the land that was once thiers for thier children to live in, so your theory doesnt make much sense ... Who is Brainwashed now?

Ill comment the rest later, im gonna eat :D

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At 10/23/07 10:25 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

At 10/22/07 09:06 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

This thread is not about Israel guys, if you want to talk about them go to a thread that is about them or create a new one.

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At 10/23/07 10:25 AM, Ahmudi wrote: First of all, and i dont care what you heard or think, Palestine was entirly arabic

First off... you mean Arab. Arabic is the language, Arab is the ethnicity.

Secondly, that's not true at all. Palestine (which has been a territory, never a country) and Lebanon have traditionally been hubs from other cultures. Phoenicians, Persians, Jews, Arabs etc...

No race can say they own an entire place, especially when they never did own it, but they themselves were immigrants at some point.

but some one had this bright idea of kicking the arabs out to create country for the poor little jews.

First of all, the Arabs were kicked out because they started the aggression. The original intent was to create a homogenous Holy Land, the partitian game as a result of the Arab Palestinians getting funded and aided by surrounding Arab states and started to get violent.

But yes, because in case you didn't know... the Jews were there before the Arabs were. The Jews had been kicked out of Palestine by Rome, then by the Ottomans more recently.

Since the Jews had been persecuted, massacred, and kicked out of basically every subsequent homeland they tried to have in every other place of the world, it seemed logical to give them their own country that they could defend.

So, in this case, Israel is invading Palestine. And ... rockets ? I didnt know the Palestinians were armed so well

Yeah well that's because you're brainwashed by anti-Israeli propaganda.

There is quite an extensive list of documented Qassam rocket attacks against Israel from Palestinian territories. Mostly from Gaza. That doesn't count mortar attacks or rocket attacks with different kinds of rockets.

You want to think that the Palestinians are just helpless and all innocent. Never mind the fact that they regularly launch rockets and mortars into Israeli towns with the intent of killing Israeli civilians and provoking battles that will kill Palestinians to create propaganda for people like you to swallow up.

i wonder how they, with the help of many arabic countries, lost to the Israelians ...

Because Israel was better equipped, better trained, and had a lot of luck. Israel kicked the snot out of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and other countries that attacked them every single time. Those countries tended to be armed with Russian weapons, Israel tended to be armed with superior American and Western weapons.

This however, doesn't mean that the Palestinians are defenseless, it doesn't mean the Palestinians don't have weapons that they intentionally use to kill innocent people as its only purpose.

Dude, there IS no Palestine these days

Um first of all, you need to get it through your head that there has never, ever been a "Palestine" nation. It was a territory, a name for an area of land that was never self-ruled by domestic Arabs, ever.

Secondly, in case you didn't know... Palestinian territories do exist. Gaza and the West Bank are not ruled by Israel. Gaza has become controlled by Hamas terrorists, and the West Bank has become the Fatah-controlled area.

However, if Israel was really as aggressive as people like you claim, then those territories wouldn't exist. Israel has the military capability to kill every last Palestinian with ease, and take over those territories. They could do quite easily to the Palestinians what the Palestinians are trying to do, and WOULD DO if they had the power Israel has.

Israel is treating the arabs as visitors in thier land ... And Israel isnt as strong as you think, they were gonna be defeated in one of the war, i forgot the name, Something Kopur, but "something", that you deny that happened, happened, which is, Israel threatened to nuke the capitals of arabic countries if they didnt retreat.

Lol, actually Israel beat the living hell out of those Arab countries conventionally in the Yom Kippur war. They all encircled Israel and attacked, but they were driven back and had almost all of their forces destroyed by the Israeli military.

The losing side continues to LIE in order to salvage their pride after suffering a humiliating defeat against Israel. So you've just swallowed the propaganda, you've swallowed the myth that Israel threatened to nuke those countries because it's more convenient to do than to acknowledge the fact that Israel defeated its aggressive enemies in a conventional war, for yet another time.

Lies like what? Like that the arabs lived there first before the jews? Guess what, that isnt a lie.

Lies, like the lie that Palestine used to be a glorious Arab, self-ruled nation. Lies that Jews never self-ruled Palestine. Lies that Jews drink the blood of Muslim children. Lies that Arabs that live peacefully within Israel are slaves. It goes on.

In order to breed hordes terrorists, in order to make a population that is more susceptible to being coaxed into blowing themselves up, in order to perpetuate a conflict by lying to their people to hate Jews and Israel, they fill their children's minds with FALSE propaganda.

Riiight .... Arabs are so heartless that they get thier wives pregnant for 9 monthes and raise thier children then when the get old enough, they get them killed by using them as human sheild ... [sarcasim] Oww, that makes sense...[/sarcasim]

It does make sense you delusional. In case you didn't know, suicide bombing is ENCOURAGED in Palestine. Mother's and father's WANT their children to die as martyrs because it is part of their society and part of their religion. Their television TEACHES them to become martyrs by killing Israelis and dying in the process.

Hamas, the terrorist group that was ELECTED by the Palestinians, has an OFFICIAL POLICY of suicide bombing. A mother of a suicide bomber was elected into the Parliament, says that it is the holy duty of Palestinians to send their children to be suicide bombers.

The Palestinians are fighting to get back the land that was once thiers for thier children to live in, so your theory doesnt make much sense ... Who is Brainwashed now?

Lol YOU, and the Palestinians you defend.

Take a look for yourself.

As I've said, the Palestinians use their children to be suicide bombers and fighters to fight Israel. They don't care about the lives of their children unless they want to blame Israel for their deaths.

Israel fights the Palestinians to PROTECT their children. Israel doesn't arm their children with weapons and strap bombs to them to go blow themselves up like the Palestinians do.

There is a fundamental difference that brainwashed people like you can never see, and refuse to see.

That's not a peace sign by the way, in that Arab world that's a sign for "victory".

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@ cellardoor6

I ll just commenet about the Yom Kippur war. Hitler lost the war when he opened a 2 sided war (east -west), and Israel is no where as strong as Hitler was, and yet Israel won in a war a 4 sided war, doesnt this seem a little strange?

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At 10/23/07 06:11 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 10/23/07 10:25 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

At 10/22/07 09:06 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

This thread is not about Israel guys, if you want to talk about them go to a thread that is about them or create a new one.

My bad dude ...

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At 10/24/07 09:22 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

I ll just commenet about the Yom Kippur war. Hitler lost the war when he opened a 2 sided war (east -west), and Israel is no where as strong as Hitler was, and yet Israel won in a war a 4 sided war, doesnt this seem a little strange?

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Your comparing apples to coconuts.
You can't compare the WWll with millions of combatants to a small war in the middle east.
As much as I don't want to support Cellar on this, He is right!

The evil being condoned by the religious clerics, in reguard to suicide bombers etc. should be stopped by what ever means necessary.
Children should not be used to hide yourself while you plan & carry out acts of aggresssion.
Children should not be taught that blowing themselves up is somehow going to get you into heaven & help win your so called cause!
School should not be a place where suicide bombers are martyers & their photo's etc. are displayed.
Suicide bombers have been around a long time, it hasn't worked... so learn from that & try something different like say surrendering.
Then you can apply for aid.
Hey, you never know if something can work until you try it.

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IDF crushing a Palestinians house.

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At 10/24/07 10:55 AM, JoS wrote: IDF crushing a Palestinians house.

bahaha picture battle!

reason why palestinians join extreme militant groups and kamikaze bomb?

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At 10/24/07 10:55 AM, JoS wrote: IDF crushing a Palestinians house.

Lol HOW HORRIBLE!?!

That's TOTALLY worse than Palestinians strapping bombs to their children. That's totally worse than:

Palestinians teaching their children to die for Allah

Palestinian children being brainwashed and taught to kill Israelis

Palestinians teaching their children to hate

They are specifically breeding a generation of terrorists, they use their own children as weapons! They brainwash their children in order to prolong the conflict. But then it gets more serous (but according to you this is no worse than bulldozing a house):

Palestinian gunman using child as human shield

Palestinian children used as suicide bombers

Palestinian gunman shoot a Palestinian man and child and videotape it to blame on Israel

Palestinians create a fake funeral, and the supposed corpses are actually alive and move around. They fake the death of their own people for propaganda.

Palestinians use UN ambulances for terrorist attacks and to transport weapons and fighters

Palestinian militants surround themselves by unarmed civilians (or at least what they want people to believe are unarmed civilians).

Now watch that video closely. The militants are hiding behind a wall and one of the gunmen armed with an AK-47 creeps around the corner and raises his gun but is shot dead instantly by the Israelis. Then, an other militant who was just previously holding a weapon drops it then comes around the corner to pull the dead man back behind the wall and the Israelis don't shoot, yet rightfully could have.

You notice they wave their hands in the air fully expecting the Israelis to hold their fire... and they DO. This is a perfect example that shows how the Israelis have decency and the Palestinians do not. The IIsraelis use restraint, the Palestinians use scandalous, deceitful, completely and utterly barbaric and shady tactics. They expect Israel to show mercy and restraint against FIGHTERS who just dropped their guns and pretend to be unarmed civilians, and yet the Palestinians have the OFFICIAL POLICY of killing innocent Israelis, including using their own children as suicide bombers to do it.

Oh, and then nevermind that all while people claim Israel is killing all sorts of civilians, the civilian vs. militant death rates are pretty telling of how the Palestinians target civilians, and the Israelis target fighters. LINK

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The videos you post sre really old, maybe you should update them a little. BTW, havent been having enought time to see whats happening in Palestine these days so ill just stop replying and wil start ignoring you cellardoor ^^

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At 10/25/07 06:39 AM, Ahmudi wrote: The videos you post sre really old, maybe you should update them a little. BTW, havent been having enought time to see whats happening in Palestine these days so ill just stop replying and wil start ignoring you cellardoor ^^

Yes do that. It's more convenient than, you know, actually accepting reality.

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At 10/24/07 09:22 AM, Ahmudi wrote: @ cellardoor6

I ll just commenet about the Yom Kippur war. Hitler lost the war when he opened a 2 sided war (east -west), and Israel is no where as strong as Hitler was, and yet Israel won in a war a 4 sided war, doesnt this seem a little strange?

No.

Israel had better educated, better trained, and better equipped military forces than the attacking countries.

The US gave Israel satellite imagery, and other intelligence along with a massive air lift of weapons in order to ensure that Israel survived. Israel pulled off some INCREDIBLY ingenious maneuvers and air attacks, right in the knick of time, in some of the most flawlessly executed military operations in history.

Israel epitomized a new age military doctrine that was founded by the US, using superior technology, utilizing timely intelligence, and coordinated attacks to destroy and disrupt an enemy that is numerically superior; by cutting them off from supplies, by dismantling their communications, and by destroying key assets (aircraft, radar, artillery etc..) before they can be brought to bear.

The attacking Arab countries got the shit kicked out of them, just as they did before.

The myth that Israel threatened to nuke their capitals is just anti-Israel propaganda. It's just a way of the losing side giving excuses for why and how they lost. It's just a way of justifying their humiliating, complete and utter defeat by the hands of the Jews that their Muslim alliance was supposedly ordained by God to destroy.

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At 10/24/07 10:18 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

Your comparing apples to coconuts.
You can't compare the WWll with millions of combatants to a small war in the middle east.
As much as I don't want to support Cellar on this, He is right!

The evil being condoned by the religious clerics, in reguard to suicide bombers etc. should be stopped by what ever means necessary.

You belive what he says? Its just something he want everyone to belive.

Children should not be used to hide yourself while you plan & carry out acts of aggresssion.

It doesnt go this way, they "terrosrists" are the peoples heros, because when they where attackd, they were the only ones that did something about it.

Children should not be taught that blowing themselves up is somehow going to get you into heaven & help win your so called cause!

Hmmm ... guess that i missed this class when i was studing there.

School should not be a place where suicide bombers are martyers & their photo's etc. are displayed.

Where, ive never seen a pic of suicide bombers in any school ive been to, iand i have been in many ...

Suicide bombers have been around a long time, it hasn't worked... so learn from that & try something different like say surrendering.

Well, you dont know Arabs, we dont surrender, at least i dont.

Then you can apply for aid.

Who would help? Every one is afraid of the US, and if an Arabic country helped, the US will use it as a reason to invade.

Hey, you never know if something can work until you try it.

When Lebanon was attacked by Israel last time, they asked for the UNs help, and guess what, they didnt do a thing. Actually, they did something, they sent some tanks, but all these tank did was make the ground flatter.

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At 10/30/07 06:00 AM, Ahmudi wrote:

When Lebanon was attacked by Israel last time, they asked for the UNs help, and guess what, they didnt do a thing. Actually, they did something, they sent some tanks, but all these tank did was make the ground flatter.

The UN doesn't have the right to prevent Israel from protecting itself.

Israel was attacked, Israel responded defensively. It would have been ridiculous to expect Israel to do nothing and even MORE ridiculous to pretend Israel was the one at fault for the conflict.

Hezbollah started the war. They made a cross-border raid that killed Israelis and they captured two. They launched rockets at civilian areas, FROM civilian areas. Hezbollah was responsible for the innocent lives that were lost on both sides because they deliberately targeted civilians, and deliberately used their own civilians and civilian infrastructure as shields and sources of propaganda.

If anything that should have come from the UN, it should have been multilateral commitments to destroy Hezbollah by the UN security council.

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At 10/30/07 06:00 AM, Ahmudi wrote: When Lebanon was attacked by Israel last time, they asked for the UNs help, and guess what, they didnt do a thing.

Hezbollah and the IOF (Israeli Offensive Forces) were both attacking the UN, so I can understand the UN not sending anymore members to the area.
The UN already had members on the ground. And they were bombed to bits by the Israelis. Apparently it was a mistake. And judging by the pic below, I can understand how it was a mistake@$#%$&!

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At 10/30/07 08:51 AM, bcdemon wrote:

At 10/30/07 06:00 AM, Ahmudi wrote: When Lebanon was attacked by Israel last time, they asked for the UNs help, and guess what, they didnt do a thing.

Hezbollah and the IOF (Israeli Offensive Forces) were both attacking the UN, so I can understand the UN not sending anymore members to the area.
The UN already had members on the ground. And they were bombed to bits by the Israelis. Apparently it was a mistake. And judging by the pic below, I can understand how it was a mistake@$#%$&!

AHAHAHAHA

Maybe that's because HEZBOLLAH USED THAT UN BASE AS A SHIELD!

If you notice... before a Canadian UN observer was killed in the Israeli strike, he specifically said that Hezbollah was using UN bases as shields and firing rockets into Israel from those areas.

Israel's duty is to protect itself and its citizens first and foremost and therefore although unfortunate that UN observers were killed, Israel has the right to put its citizens lives before that of Hezbollah, and even before that of UN workers.

Context bcdemon, context.

Apply context to your ridiculous arguments and your criticisms of Israel become nothing but ludicrous whims of imagination.

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oh and bcdemon, pay very close attention:

"What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated July 18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial bombing.

"The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic) from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity."

Those words, particularly the last sentence, are not-so-veiled language indicating Israeli strikes were aimed at Hezbollah targets near the post, said Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.

That would mean Hezbollah was purposely setting up near the UN post, he added. It's a tactic Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie, who was the first UN commander in Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war, said he's seen in past international missions: Aside from UN posts, fighters would set up near hospitals, mosques and orphanages.

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Hmm.... so your criticism of Israel targeting the UN base is pretty moot now isn't it? One of your own countrymen specifically referred to Israels actions in striking around that area as a "tactical necessity".

Hmm... seems that Hezbollah was at fault for that, not Israel. Just like all the civilian deaths that occurred when Israel struck Hezbollah rocket launchers and their crews that deliberately operated near civilians. Hezbollah did this both to exploit the decency of Israels, and to exploit the subsequent deaths of civilians for propaganda purposes to blame it all on Israel. Thus making misinformed people like you, Ahmudi, Tony4moroney etc... think that Israel was at fault when it was really Hezbollah who was responsible for all of it.

kthnxbai

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Wonderful. It's "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU" on an international political level.