Saddam's sons were targets in raid

[Evanauto]

Two of Saddam Hussein's sons are believed to be among four Iraqis killed in a Tuesday raid in northern Iraq, U.S. officials say. A senior U.S. official in Iraq, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said investigators were "awaiting postive DNA testing" to confirm the identities.

The elite Task Force 20 and the CIA conducted the raid at a house in the northern city of Mosul. The raid sparked a shootout between 200 members of the 101st Airborne Division supporting the mission and gunmen holed up inside the compound, officials said.

The identities of the dead were not certain, said one official, speaking on the condition of anonymity. Saddam's elder sons, Uday and Qusay, were spotted in the building yesterday, a senior U.S. military official told USA TODAY.

Both were below only Saddam in importance in the regime, officials have said.

The house belonged to a cousin of Saddam who was a key tribal leader in the region. The stone, columned house was left charred and smoldering, its high facade riddled with gaping holes from bullets and heavy weaponry.

Some local residents appeared to have been caught in the crossfire. It was not known how many people were injured, but several were taken to a hospital. Reuters is reporting one bystander was killed in the crossfire.

The United States has offered a $25 million bounty and $15 million for each of Saddam's sons, who were also top leaders in their father's regime.

The officials said they had no initial information that would suggest Saddam himself was present during the raid.

Qusay was probably Saddam's successor, according to U.S. intelligence officials. He ran much of Iraq's security apparatus, controlling several militias, internal security services and the military forces of the once-vaunted Republican Guard.

He was described as quiet and level, particularly compared to Uday, Saddam's eldest son, who had a reputation for brutality and flamboyance. Uday controlled Saddam's Fedayeen, the paramilitary force that fought U.S. troops during the war; many of its survivors are thought to be part of the ongoing guerrilla campaign in Iraq.

Uday also controlled information and propaganda in Saddam's Iraq, and was chairman of the country's Olympic committee.

Saddam has a third, younger son and three daughters. All kept a low profile in his regime.

Also Tuesday, a U.S. soldier was killed and another injured in an ambush along a dangerous road north of Baghdad in the so-called "Sunni Triangle," a center of anti-American resistance

His death brought to 153 the number of U.S. troops killed in action since the March 20 start of war — six more than during the 1991 Gulf War.

U.S. Central Command in Tampa, said the attackers used rocket-propelled grenades and small arms in the assault staged along the road between Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad, and Ramadi, 60 miles west of the capital.

The U.S.-led coalition's military occupation of Iraq has been met by constant armed Iraqi resistance, resulting in almost daily deaths of American troops. Many recent assaults have been staged with remote-controlled roadside explosions.

While the military has not released figures on the number of attacks on American forces each day, a senior officer told reporters last week that the attacks were averaging 12 a day.

This seems a little unlikely that they would both be at the same place together with the U.S. army on their tails. So we'll havta wait for the DNA testing to come back later on.

[damndifwedordont]

killing saddams successor would be a bad thing.....wouldnt it??? i mean think of the information he would have he probably knows the location of his predessor.....i think killing any top leaders of these guerilla fighters is an idiotic thing for the sake of TheUSofA troops lives.

[Slizor]

I do like how they (if it was them) were given fair trials and then when they were fairly convicted were given a humanitarian death sentence. I mean, it is what the US prides itself on.

[Explodapop]

At 7/22/03 04:06 PM, Slizor wrote: I do like how they (if it was them) were given fair trials and then when they were fairly convicted were given a humanitarian death sentence. I mean, it is what the US prides itself on.

That was just nonsense, but I do see your point.

But please, how do you say the US army should have caught them without while beeing shot at by rapid machine guns.
Since the US army does not do physical tourture, I doubt they would speak. And since they grew up with this, I bet they were/are very loyal.

[bumcheekcity]

At 7/22/03 04:04 PM, damndifwedordont wrote: killing saddams successor would be a bad thing.....wouldnt it??? i mean think of the information he would have he probably knows the location of his predessor.....i think killing any top leaders of these guerilla fighters is an idiotic thing for the sake of TheUSofA troops lives.

A clever Saddam would never tell his sons where he is, and if he did, then he woudl move as soon as they got caught.

[Explodapop]

At 7/22/03 05:19 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: A clever Saddam would never tell his sons where he is, and if he did, then he woudl move as soon as they got caught.

I think he would be togheter with his sons, isn't that more liklely? No, because if they finde one, they find all. So I bet every one of them are at different places.

[damndifwedordont]

who says the USofA solders have to do the torturing?

[Dark-Serpent]

CNN has just confirmed that two of the men killed in the raid on a building in Bahgdad are in fact Saddam Hussein's Sons

[JMHX]

At 7/22/03 08:08 PM, Dark_Serpent wrote: CNN has just confirmed that two of the men killed in the raid on a building in Bahgdad are in fact Saddam Hussein's Sons

Well, I suppose this is a positive thing for the world, but this will also get Bush's approval rating back to where it was after the short dip this month.

[damndifwedordont]

Well, I suppose this is a positive thing for the world, but this will also get Bush's approval rating back to where it was after the short dip this month.

do you think the people of the world are that dull and idiotic? bush probably had nothing to do with the killings of his sons except declaring war on them.....well then again we are talking about americans

[DrxFeelgood]

Thank us for killing those fucking ass holes. Saddam is next.

[BWS]

At 7/22/03 09:01 PM, damndifwedordont wrote: Well, I suppose this is a positive thing for the world, but this will also get Bush's approval rating back to where it was after the short dip this month.

do you think the people of the world are that dull and idiotic? bush probably had nothing to do with the killings of his sons except declaring war on them.....well then again we are talking about americans

Guess what, youve just won a prize. What youve just said is illthought and totally naive. Your comment is illogical, and if you knew anything about political science youd realize it. Judge is a hell of a lot smarter than you.

[RydiaLockheart]

I was watching the news, and the Iraqi civilians said they wouldn't believe it unless they saw pictures of the bodies. I can't say I blame them.

I wonder if this will have any impact on Bush's approval rating. However, Bush had nothing to do with the raid. I hope people keep that in mind.

We've been looking for those guys forever, and an Iraqi civilian knew where they were. Go figure.

[JMHX]

Hey, I'm all for wheeling old Uday and Qusay out in a wheelbarrow and showing their missile-ripped faces for all the world to see. We had no problem showing Mussolini hanging over there in Italy.

I doubt many of you heard that, on the same day we killed Uday and Qusay, we also shot a 6 year old girl in the face because we thought she had a weapon. That's the media control for you.

[D2Kvirus]

At 7/22/03 11:59 AM, BaKsHi wrote: I'm gonna wait for the results. If those were Saddam's son, I would doubt the Marines killed them without solid evidence. Killing Saddam's sons would be like one of the biggest accomplishments we've done in Iraq.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - show me the bodies, their wallets and passports, as well as video proof of at least one of them saying "I, Uday (or Qusay) Hussein, son of Saddam, have been mortally wounded, and am about to die." Until then, I'm treating it like one of the liberations of Basra or Umm Qasr that happened several days before troops were even in the area, or still shooting indicriminantly at anything human shaped.

[Slizor]

But please, how do you say the US army should have caught them without while beeing shot at by rapid machine guns.

Like most things we may not know the truth of this story for many years, if ever.

Since the US army does not do physical tourture

I wouldn't state this as a fact in times like these. I'm sure you've heard some of the stories from Camp X-Ray.

[JMHX]

I'd like to see the pictures more now that they're saying Qusay died as a direct result of trying to deep-throat an Apache missile.

[misterx2000]

Camp Guatanamo or something like that, is also infamous for troops torturing their captives...

[bumcheekcity]

At 7/24/03 06:48 AM, misterx2000 wrote: Camp Guatanamo or something like that, is also infamous for troops torturing their captives...

It's Guantanamo Bay and the conditions there are uerly dreadful. The prisoners there are not covered by Geneva Conventions because they are not technically POW's.

[bumcheekcity]

At 7/22/03 10:00 PM, 70TA wrote: Thank us for killing those fucking ass holes. Saddam is next.

Thank the Yanks for making sure 5,000 Innocent Civilians are dead too. In fact, is anyone else pissed off at the fact that they make each American Soldiors death into a 'brutal murder' whilst not even reportinf the fact that many Iraquis are being killed, either by accident or otherwise.

I use accident as shooting someone because they think they might be carrying a weapon or something. Like a 6-year old girl, but someone already mentioned that.

[JMHX]

At 7/24/03 08:28 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 7/22/03 10:00 PM, 70TA wrote: Thank us for killing those fucking ass holes. Saddam is next.

Thank the Yanks for making sure 5,000 Innocent Civilians are dead too.

Nah nah nah, it's 7,000, because we're soon going to be passing Gulf War I in all aspects of the war. You know, I looked at those pictures from the first Gulf War a few years back, before Clinton's administration ended, and thought "At least we won't do that again."

Heh.

[D2Kvirus]

At 7/23/03 07:47 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I'd like to see the pictures more now that they're saying Qusay died as a direct result of trying to deep-throat an Apache missile.

Smart...

Now, people, think for a moment (hell, a second would be a good start) - considering the current state that Iraq's in (ie, Montana), and the fact there's a price on the head of Saddam's personal secretary (AKA the Three of Clubs), would it be remotely likely that both of them would be in Iraq, let alone the same city, let alone the same building to begin with?

Cue umm-ing and aah-ing.

Still, glad to see Tony all happy. Congratulations, you're directly responsible for three high profile deaths in the space of a week. Even Pinochet wasn't that prolific.

[DrxFeelgood]

At 7/24/03 08:28 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

stuff

Don't hand me that bullshit. Explain to me why the fuck you're making a problem out of something good that happened?

[JMHX]

At 7/24/03 12:16 PM, 70TA wrote:

At 7/24/03 08:28 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

stuff

Don't hand me that bullshit. Explain to me why the fuck you're making a problem out of something good that happened?

Uday and Qusay Hussein are dead. Whoo. Five Americans have been killed in the past two days in Iraq. Saddam Hussein is at large. The man who attempts to claim the $30 million bounty for both Uday and Qusay is a dead man, as the loyalists will be on him like no other.

[DrxFeelgood]

At 7/24/03 09:16 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

Uday and Qusay Hussein are dead. Whoo. Five Americans have been killed in the past two days in Iraq. Saddam Hussein is at large. The man who attempts to claim the $30 million bounty for both Uday and Qusay is a dead man, as the loyalists will be on him like no other.

I wouldn't say he's at large, but he's around, and he will be dead soon. I can't wait to see that ass clown dead. I haven't seen his sons dead yet. I keep missing it! I want to see it!

[JMHX]

At 7/24/03 09:23 PM, 70TA wrote:

At 7/24/03 09:16 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

Uday and Qusay Hussein are dead. Whoo. Five Americans have been killed in the past two days in Iraq. Saddam Hussein is at large. The man who attempts to claim the $30 million bounty for both Uday and Qusay is a dead man, as the loyalists will be on him like no other.

I wouldn't say he's at large, but he's around, and he will be dead soon. I can't wait to see that ass clown dead. I haven't seen his sons dead yet. I keep missing it! I want to see it!

I doubt Saddam is as stupid as his sons, hiding out in a villa and actually letting people know where they were. It's for the same reason that he never told his sons where he was hiding -- security. I honestly believe that Saddam Hussein will be in Syria by the time we have any idea where he's been since March.

[takeit2themax]

I believe that the US was following Saddam's son's for a while in hope of seeing Saddam meet up with them. The main reason I think we killed them is because people in Iraq were becoming more unstable each day. I have a feeling we killed them because the government figured they wouldn't see them meet up with Saddam and it would calm the Iraqi people down. Some people argue if it is Saddam's son's or not I believe it was.

[Commander-K25]

Them being dead might improve the situation. Uday and Quesay were the heads of the Republican Guard and the diehard Fedayeen militia. Without their leaders to coordinate anything, many of these resistance groups may destabilize.

[JMHX]

At 7/26/03 10:38 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: Them being dead might improve the situation. Uday and Quesay were the heads of the Republican Guard and the diehard Fedayeen militia. Without their leaders to coordinate anything, many of these resistance groups may destabilize.

It might improve the situation in the long run, which is positive, but apparently it's not working as quickly as CentCom might have hoped. Two more are dead today after guarding a Children's Hospital.

[DrxFeelgood]

OMG do I have a great story!! My good buddy who is serving over in Iraq just called me and told me some great things! First, he's safe, and coming home to visit for 3 weeks. Then, when he got to what used to be Saddam's palace, and took a shit in Saddam's private bathroom! He also snagged the hood ornament off of Saddam's Mercedes too!!! He told me he's got pictures to prove it, and he's got the hood ornament too! Gross or not, how priceless is that?!?!?