Transhumanism

[Zoraxe7]

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Well newgrounds? What is your stance to this idea of a future?
I dont like it, call me a neo-Luddite if you will, but I dont like the Idea of super intelligent robots, or tinkering with DNA.

And if this future will come to pass (wich I dought because its stupid) I will work towards ending it.

[Lizardcoolz]

If DNA is there its probley going to be tinkered with much more.

[Zoraxe7]

I just find that some sciences, such as Human genetic engineering, is happening.

Just look at Human genetic engineering, it is like Morgoth, he took life forms and turned them into something ells for his own uses (orks, trolls, ect...)

Humans and Morgoth cannot create life, only corrupt it, and yet some people (like this guy) are tring to become immortal, as a Posthuman God

Morgoth wanted to be a God, thats why he turned so evil, me thinkks that he wanted to be a good god, but since he cant he bacame angrey and hateful, is humanity becoming like Morgoth?

[Christopherr]

At 9/28/07 08:09 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Well newgrounds? What is your stance to this idea of a future?
I dont like it, call me a neo-Luddite if you will, but I dont like the Idea of super intelligent robots, or tinkering with DNA.

And if this future will come to pass (wich I dought because its stupid) I will work towards ending it.

I am all for the tinkering of DNA to cure disease and fix any other problems with humans, but that's where I draw the line. I will not support research into changing DNA to amplify human attributes, if it ever actually occurs.

As for robots, I don't care. A robot will never rebel against a human, because it cannot think like one and can only imitate thought. It may seem plausible on the Sci-Fi channel, but it isn't the case in real life.

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 9/28/07 08:23 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: I just find that some sciences, such as Human genetic engineering, is happening.

Just look at Human genetic engineering, it is like Morgoth, he took life forms and turned them into something ells for his own uses (orks, trolls, ect...)

Ok ok now you're talking about the big cheese Morgoth Bauglir here and if you're going to bash him and say he couldn't hold a candle to Eru or even The Valar you're barking up the wrong tree bro...

Besides that has next to nothing to do with our life as humans. We live on Earth not on Arda -.- you're such a geek!!! >:/

[FUNKbrs]

Morgoth aint' got nuthing on Arkansas, mister.

Have you seen what meth and inbreeding can do to people? I'll take genetic manipulation any day.

[Zoraxe7]

At 9/29/07 04:42 AM, EnragedSephiroth wrote:

Ok ok now you're talking about the big cheese Morgoth Bauglir here and if you're going to bash him and say he couldn't hold a candle to Eru or even The Valar you're barking up the wrong tree bro...

Hay! stop putting words in my mouth, and Morgoth is an awsome villian.

[freebyrd]

I don't agree with the altering of Human DNA, but genetic engineering has helped mankind alot. We have ways now to genetically splice fruits and vegetables with vaccines. For countries without refrigeration thats a big thing.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 9/30/07 06:39 PM, freebyrd wrote: I don't agree with the altering of Human DNA, but genetic engineering has helped mankind alot. We have ways now to genetically splice fruits and vegetables with vaccines. For countries without refrigeration thats a big thing.

How can somone be in favor of ginetic engineering and an enviormentalist at the same time is beyond me.

[Imperator]

At 9/30/07 07:20 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:
How can somone be in favor of ginetic engineering and an enviormentalist at the same time is beyond me.

Well if we can breed out behaviors that go against environmentalism, then I guess it fits there maybe....

I kinda like the idea, but at the same time want to see at least some limits on it. I don't like the idea of total uniformity, which is pretty much what the ultimate goal of genetic engineering would do to humans. It creates an absence of the "eureaka" effect, where we just plain get lucky once in a while.

And plus, morons make things interesting. :)

[freebyrd]

At 9/30/07 07:20 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

At 9/30/07 06:39 PM, freebyrd wrote: I don't agree with the altering of Human DNA, but genetic engineering has helped mankind alot. We have ways now to genetically splice fruits and vegetables with vaccines. For countries without refrigeration thats a big thing.

How can somone be in favor of ginetic engineering and an enviormentalist at the same time is beyond me.

1) Who said I was an environmentalist
2) Learn how to spell environmentalist and genetic
3) your a noob

[SmilezRoyale]

At 10/1/07 07:18 PM, freebyrd wrote:

At 9/30/07 07:20 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

At 9/30/07 06:39 PM, freebyrd wrote: I don't agree with the altering of Human DNA, but genetic engineering has helped mankind alot. We have ways now to genetically splice fruits and vegetables with vaccines. For countries without refrigeration thats a big thing.

How can somone be in favor of ginetic engineering and an enviormentalist at the same time is beyond me.

1) Who said I was an environmentalist
2) Learn how to spell environmentalist and genetic
3) your a noob

1) It wasn't a comment on you, your not an enviormentalist. Sometimes i like to make an argument for a statement which could occur in the future, i'm looking for something actually; asuming this thread becomes popular [and i have no reserves if it does or doesn't]
2) Sorry, i'll be more carefull next time. :D genetic, enviormentalist KK thankzbai
3) Already 2 posts on this forum and you've given yourself the authority to deem other people as morons. NJ

[Ravariel]

At 10/1/07 07:18 PM, freebyrd wrote: 2) Learn how to spell environmentalist and genetic
3) your a noob

lolirony

At 10/1/07 01:12 AM, Imperator wrote: And plus, morons make things interesting. :)

>_>

[Imperator]

At 10/1/07 10:54 PM, Ravariel wrote:

At 10/1/07 01:12 AM, Imperator wrote: And plus, morons make things interesting. :)

>_>

You weren't supposed to catch me in plagiarism damnit.....
(one of my favorites btw)

[Jarinisdabomb]

Im for altering Human DNA for physical effects, not cosmetic. With Genetic Engineering, we can stop most Genetic diseases. Like progeria for example. Try tell this kid that Genetic engineering is wrong.

[Zoraxe7]

At 9/29/07 12:01 AM, Christopherr wrote:

At 9/28/07 08:09 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Well newgrounds? What is your stance to this idea of a future?
I dont like it, call me a neo-Luddite if you will, but I dont like the Idea of super intelligent robots, or tinkering with DNA.

And if this future will come to pass (wich I dought because its stupid) I will work towards ending it.

I am all for the tinkering of DNA to cure disease and fix any other problems with humans, but that's where I draw the line. I will not support research into changing DNA to amplify human attributes, if it ever actually occurs.

I basicaly agree with you.

As for robots, I don't care. A robot will never rebel against a human, because it cannot think like one and can only imitate thought. It may seem plausible on the Sci-Fi channel, but it isn't the case in real life.

As scary as a Robot rebellion may seam, I too agree with you on that robots cant think like us, in fack earlier today I was looking at a book that explains why Artificial intelligence wont be anything near human intelligence.

[urbn]

Woo, RL leveling!

[Zoraxe7]

I know this is a old thread, but I want to talk about this some more and I dont want to start another thread.

Any ways, I think transhumanism is just a bunch of science fiction being aplied to real science in an attempt somthing that will end up badly.

[SlimeManMan]

At 10/2/07 04:02 AM, Jarinisdabomb wrote: Im for altering Human DNA for physical effects, not cosmetic. With Genetic Engineering, we can stop most Genetic diseases. Like progeria for example. Try tell this kid that Genetic engineering is wrong.

Please, don't Photoshop just to make a point. It's retarded and pointless.
It's an iteresting line of thought, but I'm too tired to type anymore... mabye later...

[rakninja]

<3 transhumanism. I cannot wait for such events as the Singularity (when a computer system achieves consciousness and grows at an exponential rate), and the merging of technology and humanity.

for instance, once we can make self-replicating medical nanites, health care will be irrelevant. once we have a species wide neural network, we stand a good chance to converting to a global technocracy.

their ideas on spirituality are a little bleak for my tastes, but i still anticipate Human Augmenting Technology.

[Zoraxe7]

At 10/17/07 10:47 PM, rakninja wrote: <3 transhumanism. I cannot wait for such events as the Singularity (when a computer system achieves consciousness and grows at an exponential rate), and the merging of technology and humanity.

Then I shall make you my enemy. For I shall never allow the singularity to ever exsist (if it even can that is)

for instance, once we can make self-replicating medical nanites, health care will be irrelevant. once we have a species wide neural network, we stand a good chance to converting to a global technocracy.

Great! as if humans werent lazy enuf, now we dont even have to take care of our bodies to be 'healthy' (sarcasm)

their ideas on spirituality are a little bleak for my tastes, but i still anticipate Human Augmenting Technology.

yeah...most are atheists, and are kind of nutty, like the Raëlian Church

[notsneaky]

theres no way that genetic modification will actually all work out they'll just test it on animals then when it becomes official and people hand themselves over to it itll probably just have some negative sideffects or die and it'll be outlawed before they can perfect it btw im atheist

[shatterspike1]

Why would anyone want to be an animal in the first place, would be a good question.

Now that I've said that, I think DNA alteration is a good thing, as long as it is used only to increase physical health and intelligence and blot out genetic diseases and birth defects, not a build-a-kid workshop.

[RedSkunk]

I think a lot of you need to do some research. The great bulk of our foodstuff (in the U.S.) is already genetically modified. And genetic research is already proving beneficial in humans. What is genetically modified anyways? We've been genetically modifying for centuries with selective breeding and cross-pollinating of livestock / crops.

Here's the first link I clicked on in a google search for ya'll.
http://pewagbiotech.org/resources/factsh eets/display.php3?FactsheetID=2

[RedSkunk]

Continuing through on that thought.... Genetic modification of crops begets that of animals begets that of humans - unless government regulation intervenes (as it has in Europe).

[Lindione]

I think it will eventually creep up on us medically and spread to when we are born we get a mechanical heart. As long as our creativity isn't affected i like the idea

[Sajberhippien]

At 9/29/07 12:01 AM, Christopherr wrote:

And if this future will come to pass (wich I dought because its stupid) I will work towards ending it.

I am all for the tinkering of DNA to cure disease and fix any other problems with humans, but that's where I draw the line. I will not support research into changing DNA to amplify human attributes, if it ever actually occurs.

But what is a disease? Is AD/HD a disease? Is retardation a disease? If retardation is a disease, the cure is increasing people's IQ:s. Isn't that amplifying human attributes?

As for robots, I don't care. A robot will never rebel against a human, because it cannot think like one and can only imitate thought. It may seem plausible on the Sci-Fi channel, but it isn't the case in real life.

What is thought and what thoughts can't a robot be able to think?
Thought is an electrical/chemical process in our brains, and choice is the decision between at least two actions based on certain premises, such as experience. As I see it, a computer may be able to do both of these things.

[Sajberhippien]

At 11/23/07 11:33 PM, RedSkunk wrote: I think a lot of you need to do some research. The great bulk of our foodstuff (in the U.S.) is already genetically modified. And genetic research is already proving beneficial in humans. What is genetically modified anyways? We've been genetically modifying for centuries with selective breeding and cross-pollinating of livestock / crops.

Here's the first link I clicked on in a google search for ya'll.
http://pewagbiotech.org/resources/factsh eets/display.php3?FactsheetID=2

But that isn't modifying the genes; That is creating an ideal environment for nature to change the genetics.

[morefngdbs]

At 11/23/07 11:33 PM, RedSkunk wrote: I think a lot of you need to do some research. The great bulk of our foodstuff (in the U.S.) is already genetically modified. And genetic research is already proving beneficial in humans. What is genetically modified anyways? We've been genetically modifying for centuries with selective breeding and cross-pollinating of livestock / crops.

;
Seems like humanity is on a road to a future of persons similar to the BORG.
a Biomechanical organism, each a small part of a greater whole.
Sounds better than the multi religious war mongering murderers that many are today.

[Zoraxe7]

At 11/23/07 11:35 PM, RedSkunk wrote: Continuing through on that thought.... Genetic modification of crops begets that of animals begets that of humans - unless government regulation intervenes (as it has in Europe).

I have always never liked the Idea of genneically modified food, bcause it seems doomed to fail.

Let me explain, is we use selective breading and genneticaly modificationin our food that takes away natural selection.

So wouldnt naturaly grown plants (lets say a tomato) be compeating with germs.
What happens when these germs that have evolved to effect tomatoes takes out the gennetical modified tomatos? We would have to introduce wild tomatoes and grow new crops (and this has happened to our plants this is not speculation).

We can live without tomatoes for a while, but what if this happens to wheat or corn? Starvation.