Crack down on Fighting at Schools

[Lizardcoolz]

As we all know or know now that schools have been cracking down on fighting to an extreme that is futile and is not needed. Yes we know that fighting is a primitive way of solving problems but what happens when a innocent person who doesn't want to get in a fight gets in a fight but doesn't throw a punch insteads doesn't do anything and gets the shit beat outta him or just dodging punches with hands in a position that is non-threatning to the opponent.

Schools are now enforcing a somewhat new rule that goes along the lines of "If two people go physical or if described a fight those students are (Insert punishment)". All the fighting will go down to this soletary rule and which is un-needed or needs to be imprevised and improved upon such as other branches of rules sprouting out from that rule instead of if in that situation that rule would only apply to that situation.

Thoughts? Ideas?

[K-RadPie]

All I know is that there would be a hell of a lot more fighting at my school if it weren't for strict rules.

[Crazyhobo51]

I think its stupid too people have a valid excuse to throw a punch if the person is threating them, their property or another person. Self defense is not bad its human nature.

[K-RadPie]

Self-defense (if unprovoked) is perfectly legit in my school, I would be surprised if it weren't like that elsewhere.

[Lizardcoolz]

Yah...alot of schools just supsend or expel if the situation two or more people and punches being thrown

[Crazyhobo51]

Not at my school even if they pull a knife and thrust it at us and we hit them in self defense we get suspended

[Brick-top]

What really pisses me off about schools is that someone will try to piss you off all FUCKING DAY and then when you retaliate you're the one who get's into trouble. That did my fucking head in.

[K-RadPie]

At 9/28/07 08:11 PM, Crazyhobo51 wrote: Not at my school even if they pull a knife and thrust it at us and we hit them in self defense we get suspended

Your school sucks.

[SmilezRoyale]

If somone threw a knife at you and you punched them in a legal situation it would be illegal for the school to suspend you, you can't punish people for self defense, and public schools are run by the governmenet so they are run by state law.

Issues with school violence in my opinion are more the result of a negative trend in general culture and yet... more so parenting. I myself asked my parents what they did when me and my sister were young, she gave some answers reguarding parental issues, i was impressed with what she said.

There's no real solution that works with this kind of thing... Doing nothing doesn't work; becoming more leniant doesn't work, and turning the school into a police state only works to a degree; and varries in result depending on the circumstances.

[Korriken]

the school I went to, you were not allowed to defend yourself, the principal even said you couldn't. "we have police officers guarding the school, you have no need to defend yourself, if someone attacks you, find a guard immediately or find a teacher. of course when it came time for questions I asked the obvious, "what if we can't escape from our attacker? what if this person is too fast and we can't outrun them?" he said, "make a lot of noise and get people's attention" my next words were, "whoever decided on this rule is a moron!" I got 3 days suspension for disrupting an assembly.

[Errormatix]

It was self defense,i swear

[FUNKbrs]

At 9/29/07 10:51 AM, Errormatix wrote: It was self defense,i swear

He called my mom a bitch! I HAD to hit him!!! He was gonna hit me, he had his fist back and everything. It's not my fault he missed!!!

IM A VALIANT WARRIOR, FIGHTING FOR SURVIVAL in highschool?!? HAHAHAHhahahahaHAHAHAH!!!

Shut up you stupid children. Noone's going to actually murder you during a vicious beating. It's not our fault you're all too much of pussies to take an asskicking.

Real toughness is about what you can endure, not what you can dish out. If you can't take another guys best shot and shrug it off, you're a little bitch. End of discussion.

[escudo0]

At 9/29/07 10:51 AM, Errormatix wrote: It was self defense,i swear

says the man with a boxing glove wrapped in barb wire

[D2Kvirus]

My school seemed to have a fight every other day (and there was a small pool of about six to eight people out of 800 that would invariably be one one side of it) - it was quite primal to see the entire playground swarm over when the fists started flying.

But not as much fun as wehen onbe started on me, I kicked him hard in the bollocks, and left him lying.

I can't remember the exact rules, but if it was one of the 6-8, they turned a blind eye if you scored with a few punches on them, for the simple reason they were ignorant twats that were due to flunk on a scale never seen before, so were wasting the teachers' time by actually being there (the one I ro sham bo'd was held back in the Second Year, for God's sake - how can you flunk the years that don't mean anything?!?). And, if it was one of them and you just claimed self defence they gave you a slap on the wrist - usually a half-hearted talking to.

If, however, you kicked off in class or whatever, they came down on your hard and you usually got a detention on the spot. Another time a mate of mine kicked off at me because I was nearest (i.e. those who were riling him up were out of range and he needed to blow off some steam), but we didn't really get into trouble - I just grabbed him in a front facelock until he calmed down.

It's a case of the Rules of the Playground: you can get into fights outside (playground or outside the gates after school), but not in class or the hallways, and if you are going to have a fight, make sure it's with someone that the teachers don't mind getting a little battered.

In other words, whatever you do, don't give the swot a shoeing outside the staff room. Which is just common sense, really...

[Lizardcoolz]

Easily.

[flashplayer5]

At 9/28/07 09:35 PM, Korriken wrote: the school I went to, you were not allowed to defend yourself, the principal even said you couldn't. "we have police officers guarding the school, you have no need to defend yourself, if someone attacks you, find a guard immediately or find a teacher. of course when it came time for questions I asked the obvious, "what if we can't escape from our attacker? what if this person is too fast and we can't outrun them?" he said, "make a lot of noise and get people's attention" my next words were, "whoever decided on this rule is a moron!" I got 3 days suspension for disrupting an assembly.

Yeah, teachers are idiots, but idiots with authority. Therefore I would have shared that thought with my buddys at break, not with an entire assembly. Which is exactly why I thank you for saying that, cos I would'nt have the spine to.
well said.

[SIXTYoneVW]

gah, theres at least 1 or 2 fights a week at my (high)school. But even worse, to prevent "trouble" kids who want to fight go to the Shell (gas) Station, EVERYDAY at school. Theyre all idiots, cause all you hear in 7th period is "so-and-so are gonna fight at the Shell!"

[SmilezRoyale]

Here's a plan, if somone attacks you, cower on the floor and let them hit you as many times as possible, then report it to 7 on your side.

The power of the media can be usefull. :D

[tony4moroney]

At 9/28/07 07:36 PM, Lizardcoolz wrote:

[1] source? [2] i personally think there was never enough fighting within school, i still want to start a fight club [3] what authority is trying to crack down on school violence and what is the exact measure theyre proposing

[BeFell]

At my school the only people who ever got into fights were dumb white trash kids and illegal aliens. How about the next time you get in a fight and your school and the administration tries to punish you, you simply claim that the rules are written in such a way to naturally discriminate against you. I think this is the same excuse ignorant people use for standardized tests.

[Buffalow]

The problem is that if you claim self-defense, the other kid can claim it back. It's not worth the time to go through the arugement just to wind up back where you started.

[GunslingerFX]

I agree with Gwarfan. You can claim self-defense all you want but it won't do any good unless you can prove this. Then you have scores of people reporting who delivered the first blow and from there it just becomes a popularity contest. It seems as if every few years there is some sort of attempt to prevent fighting in schools but these are places where certain groups of people do little more than cause problems for a majority of the student population, unless of course this group is the majority. Surveillance is one way of at least helping lower the level of violence by putting some level of fear into the students that they may be caught fighting but even then students would just fight elsewhere. Leave it be and allow the cycle to continue. Young people fight, it's what they have always done and always will do.

[fli]

A fight club in place for PE.
Absolutely-friggin-brilliant.

[VigilanteNighthawk]

At 9/28/07 08:16 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: If somone threw a knife at you and you punched them in a legal situation it would be illegal for the school to suspend you, you can't punish people for self defense, and public schools are run by the governmenet so they are run by state law.

Actually, the schools are given quite a bit of leeway when it comes to handling student discipline. At the school I worked at, both students were suspended in a fight. I do think the poster you are replying to is exaggerating.

There's no real solution that works with this kind of thing... Doing nothing doesn't work; becoming more leniant doesn't work, and turning the school into a police state only works to a degree; and varries in result depending on the circumstances.

Unfortunately, the ideal solution would be to have a general policy regarding violence that gave the administration to deal with incidents on a case by case basis so that victims who were attacked and proven to be defending themselves could be punished differently than the aggressors. Unfortunately, this approach leads to inevitable cries of discrimination and then lawsuits. It's unfortunately easier to simply throw everyone to the wolves.

At 9/29/07 11:06 AM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 9/29/07 10:51 AM, Errormatix wrote: It was self defense,i swear

He called my mom a bitch! I HAD to hit him!!! He was gonna hit me, he had his fist back and everything. It's not my fault he missed!!!

What about the situation in which person A attacks person B for dating person A's ex girlfriend?

IM A VALIANT WARRIOR, FIGHTING FOR SURVIVAL in highschool?!? HAHAHAHhahahahaHAHAHAH!!!

Let's see: I was stalked by a psycho and his buddies who at one point threatened to throw me in front of an oncoming train. My ex fiancee had a knife held to her throat in front of teachers, yet the administration did nothing. My sister was chased by someone with a knife. My brother watched as one of his friends was beaten down by five other kids. Then again, though these incidents all happened at different times, each incident occurred while the individual was in MIDDLE SCHOOL.

Real toughness is about what you can endure, not what you can dish out. If you can't take another guys best shot and shrug it off, you're a little bitch. End of discussion

I don't care how tough you are, if you are hit in the right location you will go down and possibly never get back up. I don't care how tough you are, if you take a decent shot to the temple, you'll be unconscious; take a shot to the throat, you'll be dead. Of course, you could over time end up like Mohammad Ali, who has a Parkinson-like condition due to taking too many shots to the head.

[flashplayer5]

In our school it's whoever threw the first punch that gets suspended.

**FIGHT CLUB IDEA ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!**

[SlithVampir]

At 9/28/07 07:36 PM, Lizardcoolz wrote:
Thoughts? Ideas?

Not a new rule. that shits been around since Beaver Cleaver.

[Chickidydow]

the fact is self defense needs to be legal because theres not always going to be administration, and even on the rare occasion there is unless the kid beating down on you cares two shits about his future he won't care if the teacher is watching or not, and teachers aren't trained bodyguards, they are school teachers. School is supposed to be training you to do well in life right? How does teaching you "if you get hit run away and pray to god someone else helps you" prepare you for life?

[Bramly-apple]

In my school its whoever wins the fight who gets in trouble. My friend got suspended when this kid tried to beat him up and my friend just pushed him away and the kid ran off crying.

[3vi1]

At 10/1/07 11:24 AM, Lastin wrote: People fight just to show off how cool they are. Its barbaric really, why cant you all be normal and not fight over such petty shit.

Somewhat correct. The reason fighting exists, theoretically, in modern culture at least, is to let off anger and frustration. Some may well fight for no good reason. But it certainly isn't barbaric.

I'm all for a little more fighting in schools. I can generally get away with it regardless; injuries aren't usually too bad (with one exception - nose + my shoe = fractured nose) and the school thinks itself too high-brow for many of its pupils to carry knives. But that, of course, is only personal experience.

[GunslingerFX]

I agree with 3vi1 saying that some school leaders think that their school is too good to have knife carrying students. Having a person claim that a certain school has issues with knives being carried can cause an instant reaction in the public reception of that school causing drops in admissions so I can see why a school committee would rather claim that their school has no such issues and continue to believe their own lies rather than admit there is an issue and attempt to resolve it. Also it is true that most fights in schools result in minor injuries and there are only a small amount of skirmishes that result in any injury that is police report worthy. So, if this is correct along with the evidence presented in the rest of this section then what the point of there being any attempt to prevent fighting in schools at all? The only good that may come from any of this is that the percentage of students carrying weapons may drop, but it seems unlikely.