Euthanasia

[AntiClock]

Your Opinions?

I think it should be a personal decision for everyone. Pretty much when you are just living on machines, I think if someone has signed something before that said they didn't want to just live on machines that should be legal. Where it gets sticky is when the person still is living on their own functions, but is just in so much pain or has a horrible quality of life. I figure that it is your own live so you should be able to do what you want with it.

[FreidanX]

I agree. I think everyone should have the right to end their own lives, no matter his or her mental or physical state.

[Explodapop]

I think you should decide yourself, if you have a deadly and painful decise and you are getting old.

My grand dad had stomach canser 12 years ago, and wanted to take his own life about 1 month before he died, because of the pain. He wanted the hosptital to give him drugs so he would sleep to death. Although the hospital was willing to do this, it just did not work out. He simply could not do it.

That is a prime example. He had the option, and wanted, but said no. It would have been worse if he did not have the option at all.

[Explodapop]

At 7/21/03 05:52 PM, FreidanX wrote: I agree. I think everyone should have the right to end their own lives, no matter his or her mental or physical state.

What if you have childern that is dependant of you and the loss of their father/mother would lead to severe mental problems and traumas?
You can't run away from such a commitment as childern.

[bumcheekcity]

Your life is your own choice. End it when you like. I don't think Doctors should have to perform it though. I know many doctors who both support and disagree with Euthanasia. The doctors that disagree don't want to kill a patient and I dont think they should have to.

It shouldn't be mandatory for doctors to perform it, but they should referr the patient to another doctor who would, if they so request.

[FreidanX]

At 7/21/03 05:58 PM, -PZY- wrote:

At 7/21/03 05:52 PM, FreidanX wrote: I agree. I think everyone should have the right to end their own lives, no matter his or her mental or physical state.

What if you have childern that is dependant of you and the loss of their father/mother would lead to severe mental problems and traumas?
You can't run away from such a commitment as childern.

Some parents will do it anyways. What difference does it make whether it happens in a hospital or in their own bathtub?

Who are we to deny someone the right to kill themselves simply because they cannot do it themselves?

[Explodapop]

At 7/21/03 07:12 PM, FreidanX wrote: Some parents will do it anyways. What difference does it make whether it happens in a hospital or in their own bathtub?

Who are we to deny someone the right to kill themselves simply because they cannot do it themselves?

helping the parents would be moraly wrong big time. There is a swiss sucide organistation that helps ppl this way.

But my point here is that you can't run out of something as important as kids!

[JMHX]

At 7/21/03 07:47 PM, -PZY- wrote:

At 7/21/03 07:12 PM, FreidanX wrote: Some parents will do it anyways. What difference does it make whether it happens in a hospital or in their own bathtub?

Who are we to deny someone the right to kill themselves simply because they cannot do it themselves?

helping the parents would be moraly wrong big time. There is a swiss sucide organistation that helps ppl this way.

But my point here is that you can't run out of something as important as kids!

It's your personal right to end your life or not. If you're sound of mind and decide to do so, nothing should make you feel bad for choosing to end things how you wish. Besides, if you're a vegetable, I don't see how your kids can rely on you very much. It would hurt me more to see a family member in a helpless state every day than to see him/her pass.

[bumcheekcity]

At 7/21/03 10:11 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: If you're sound of mind and decide to do so...

What would you define as 'sound' mind though?

[Explodapop]

At 7/21/03 10:11 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: It's your personal right to end your life or not. If you're sound of mind and decide to do so, nothing should make you feel bad for choosing to end things how you wish. Besides, if you're a vegetable, I don't see how your kids can rely on you very much. It would hurt me more to see a family member in a helpless state every day than to see him/her pass.

I agree if the parent are somewhat major disabled. But the author of the post I quoted firts said "any mental and physical state" so I asumed the parent could be perfectly good, but of course, depressed.

Face this: You are a very depressed person and hate your life. If you commit suicide, all the children in the world dies.
Would you then say you have the right to commit suicide (you know yourself that the kids will die)?
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I don't think you have the right to commit suicide as long as someone are utterly dependant of you. And I am not just talking about a company or something.

[bumcheekcity]

At 7/22/03 05:02 AM, -PZY- wrote: I don't think you have the right to commit suicide as long as someone are utterly dependant of you. And I am not just talking about a company or something.

I think they should be made to sort out their affairs, but then they should be able to end their life is they still wish to do so.

[Explodapop]

At 7/22/03 10:09 AM, bumcheekycity wrote: I think they should be made to sort out their affairs, but then they should be able to end their life is they still wish to do so.

They should not get any help, but you can't stop them from taking suicide because that is ipossible.

[woscafrench]

Generally, I support euthenasia, but what if you were being looked after by a "friend" or relative, and this person was the only one looking after with, they were in your will. They don't want to look after you, they want you dead so they can inherite your belongings. Because they're the only ones with you so they could twist your mind easily, making you feel life is worthless and you don't want to live, yet it isn't really your choice to die, what is going to happen then?

[FreidanX]

At 7/22/03 01:04 PM, -PZY- wrote:

At 7/22/03 10:09 AM, bumcheekycity wrote: I think they should be made to sort out their affairs, but then they should be able to end their life is they still wish to do so.

They should not get any help, but you can't stop them from taking suicide because that is i[m]possible.

You just helped clarify my own point. What's the point of witholding help if they're going to to do it anyway and it's ultimately "impossible" to stop someone who's determined enough from doing it anyways?

If someone... anyone... regardless of mental of physical state... wants to die, it should be so that they can do it as quietly, cleanly, and painlessly as possible. I for one could care less about clinics offering to kill you for a nominal fee... or better yet, suicide booths on city streets.

Now, I may seem very cold and heartless to you but... when you get to be a little older... you'll understand what I'm saying... and why I would say it.

Cheers.

[PreacherJ]

At 7/21/03 10:05 PM, BaKsHi wrote: What about the Youth in Asia?

I hate you for beating me to this joke, so, instead, I'll just agree with you.

Yeah! What about the Youth in Asia?

Word.

[JMHX]

What's the actual suicide rate for teenagers in Asia? I once knew, but it's long since fallen from memory.

[misterx2000]

This debate has been going on, and on, and on...and revived so it can go on, and on, and on...

I think it's a personal choice.

[Explodapop]

At 7/22/03 01:17 PM, FreidanX wrote: You just helped clarify my own point. What's the point of witholding help if they're going to to do it anyway and it's ultimately "impossible" to stop someone who's determined enough from doing it anyways?

Because...uh..m,

Dang! You got me! But in some cases the person does not have the guts do take suicide, and a shot with drugs is not as scary as jumping of a bridge or anything. But most suiced is commited with drugs, so maybe not.
I think your "correct ratio" is about 7/10, if you see what I mean. But how the heck can medical personel/physicatricks decide if the person really wants to take suicide or not?

If someone... anyone... regardless of mental of physical state... wants to die, it should be so that they can do it as quietly, cleanly, and painlessly as possible. I for one could care less about clinics offering to kill you for a nominal fee... or better yet, suicide booths on city streets.

Suicide booths? Like in the fist episode of futurama? Cool! But don't you think ppl would use that to get rid of ppl they did not like, and all the evidence would be wiped away.

Now, I may seem very cold and heartless to you but... when you get to be a little older... you'll understand what I'm saying... and why I would say it.

Cheers.

Cold and heartless? O, no my friend, oh no! I wouldn't say so. That is not cold and heartless at all.

It is a differnce between opinions and cold and heartless!
I say you only can call a person cold and heartless if he/she does something cold and heartless, not what they say!

And I hate it when ppl talk about my age, like "you will understand later BLAHBLAHBLAH!!!"
Please just call me a moron, OK? Then I don't get a pat on my shoulder, but the truth. Thank you.

-Cheeeres!

[FreidanX]

At 7/24/03 06:34 AM, -PZY- wrote: ...

I'll just say those were some good points/ counterpoints from you. I enjoyed debating with you. I guess the issue is really just a matter of personal opinion. In this case there are no right or wrong answers.

And I hate it when ppl talk about my age, like "you will understand later BLAHBLAHBLAH!!!"
Please just call me a moron, OK? Then I don't get a pat on my shoulder, but the truth. Thank you.

-Cheeeres!

Well... sorry about the age thing. You're not a moron.

[TheShrike]

At 7/21/03 05:58 PM, -PZY- wrote: What if you have childern that is dependant of you and the loss of their father/mother would lead to severe mental problems and traumas?
You can't run away from such a commitment as childern.

How does a parent with HUGE medical bills, no (or very little) income, and the innability to do the simplest of tasks qualify as a provider? What if you were not only releasing yourself from anguish, but relieving your children of a huge economical burden?

[JMHX]

The costs would move down to the children in that case, wouldn't it? Well, not as children, but the nearest relative. I figured that how it worked, since that's what it appears to be around here.

[bumcheekcity]

At 7/25/03 10:59 PM, TheShrike wrote: How does a parent with HUGE medical bills, no (or very little) income, and the innability to do the simplest of tasks qualify as a provider? What if you were not only releasing yourself from anguish, but relieving your children of a huge economical burden?

But ehy'd be taken into a foster home, which is a nig strain on kids. They're better off with a mother or father they love and know.

[Shih]

So far everyone has been agreeing here and patting themselves on the back for it so here's an idea, you life is a gift. I was given to you by you creator and deciding to end it is the spiritual equivalent of throwing it back and the spitting in the creators face, maybe there's more to it than just whethter you hurt or not, maybe you still have something that needs to be said to the world and choosing to end your life is selfish?

[bumcheekcity]

Giving it back is the equivalent of saying 'Thankyou but I cannot accept this gift.'

[Explodapop]

At 7/25/03 10:59 PM, TheShrike wrote:

At 7/21/03 05:58 PM, -PZY- wrote: What if you have childern that is dependant of you and the loss of their father/mother would lead to severe mental problems and traumas?
You can't run away from such a commitment as childern.

How does a parent with HUGE medical bills, no (or very little) income, and the innability to do the simplest of tasks qualify as a provider? What if you were not only releasing yourself from anguish, but relieving your children of a huge economical burden?

I was talking about the normal parent, with no physical or mentall disabileties, but depressed.

And if the parents are disabled, I think they should not raise their children alone, socilal instances should help pay the bills. That is one of the tradgic things about america.

Possible scenario: A poor man drives a car. It crashes, and he gets disabeled both mentally and physically. He realizes he cannot support his 3 children anymore, and gets awfully depressed.

Should we help that man with his life, or with suicide?

[PreacherJ]

Well, if he wants to end his life, then he has the right, I'd think. I mean, it is his life... But how old are these kids he leaves twisting in the wind? If they're still young, there's a lot of support he can give them that isn't monetary, and sapping children of their father just plain sucks.

[TheShrike]

It's sad when we have to decide whether or not to allow people the freedom to go when they want to go.

[JMHX]

At 7/29/03 04:08 AM, TheShrike wrote: It's sad when we have to decide whether or not to allow people the freedom to go when they want to go.

I reserve a moment of silence for Mr. Shrike's well-posted viewpoint.

[TheShrike]

At 7/29/03 04:33 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I reserve a moment of silence for Mr. Shrike's well-posted viewpoint.

Thank you, JMHX. that's very kind of you.