The Louisiana Incident

[MudRockr1]

I heard from me ma tis little story-

In Louisiana, there were a group of white guys about 16 or 17 that hung out at a spot that had a tree. One day, a group of black guys started hanging out there, too. The white guys got pissed.

No one talked it over, no one bothered to discuss SHIT.

So the white guys(one in particular) put a noose on the tree.

He was caught and suspended from school.

LATER-The black guys "jumped" one of the white guys, the same one that was suspended from school. The white guy was hospitalized, but was released later that day and attended a football game

6 were arrested for the "jumping." 5 were eventually released. 1 stayed because he had a record.

This news eventually made it to blogs and resulted in a protest.

A PROTEST.

Black people from all over the country came to Louisiana and demonstrated in front of the jail.

WTF??? What can you protest about? The guy had a RECORD!! A RECORD! IT'S NOT A FUCKING RACE THING ANYMORE! THE PO-PO DONT GIVE A SHIT IF HE'S BLACK, WHITE, FUCKIN' BLUE!!!

So yea there's the incident. It's ludicrous.

Not to say the white guy is innocent, either, but he didn't HURT anyone!

And I say to myself, What A Wonderful World...

[dodo-man-1]

At 9/26/07 03:29 PM, MudRockr1 wrote:

So the white guys(one in particular) put a noose on the tree.

6 were arrested for the "jumping." 5 were eventually released. 1 stayed because he had a record.

This news eventually made it to blogs and resulted in a protest.

A PROTEST.

Black people from all over the country came to Louisiana and demonstrated in front of the jail.

WTF??? What can you protest about? The guy had a RECORD!! A RECORD! IT'S NOT A FUCKING RACE THING ANYMORE! THE PO-PO DONT GIVE A SHIT IF HE'S BLACK, WHITE, FUCKIN' BLUE!!!

So yea there's the incident. It's ludicrous.

Not to say the white guy is innocent, either, but he didn't HURT anyone!

And I say to myself, What A Wonderful World...

It isn't because the blac guy was arrested and the white guys weren't. It's because the white guy PUT A FRIGGIN' NOOSE ON THE TREE. Geezus, you moron... that denotes some race attention.

[Wooblers]

At 9/26/07 04:17 PM, dodo-man-1 wrote:

At 9/26/07 03:29 PM, MudRockr1 wrote:

It isn't because the blac guy was arrested and the white guys weren't. It's because the white guy PUT A FRIGGIN' NOOSE ON THE TREE. Geezus, you moron... that denotes some race attention.

The noose incident had nothing to do with this,it was on CNN. So,basically,a bunch of guys ganged up on one kid. They should all be put away,and anyone thinking its a race thing should be shot.

[Chickidydow]

At 9/26/07 03:29 PM, MudRockr1 wrote: I heard from me ma tis little story-

In Louisiana, there were a group of white guys about 16 or 17 that hung out at a spot that had a tree. One day, a group of black guys started hanging out there, too. The white guys got pissed.

No one talked it over, no one bothered to discuss SHIT.

So the white guys(one in particular) put a noose on the tree.

He was caught and suspended from school.

LATER-The black guys "jumped" one of the white guys, the same one that was suspended from school. The white guy was hospitalized, but was released later that day and attended a football game

6 were arrested for the "jumping." 5 were eventually released. 1 stayed because he had a record.

This news eventually made it to blogs and resulted in a protest.

A PROTEST.

Black people from all over the country came to Louisiana and demonstrated in front of the jail.

WTF??? What can you protest about? The guy had a RECORD!! A RECORD! IT'S NOT A FUCKING RACE THING ANYMORE! THE PO-PO DONT GIVE A SHIT IF HE'S BLACK, WHITE, FUCKIN' BLUE!!!

So yea there's the incident. It's ludicrous.

Not to say the white guy is innocent, either, but he didn't HURT anyone!

And I say to myself, What A Wonderful World...

It will never stop don't you see? Come to terms with it and let the ignorant protesters protest about a cause that doesn't deserve a side, and let the white dick who put a noose on the tree out of racism burn in hell. In the end everybody wins.

[fli]

At 9/26/07 03:29 PM, MudRockr1 wrote: Not to say the white guy is innocent, either, but he didn't HURT anyone!

Actually,
he had fought and provoked Black people.

It wasn't like the Blacks jumped on that White guy right after the noose incident. The pressure was building, and the Whites were fighting the Blacks.

And when that particular White guy was provoking one Black guy... That Black guy fought back, and THEN a bunch of other Black guys jumped in.

How is it that when a White guy beats a Black guy... it's just High School Shiningans.
But a Black guy on a White guy... it's attempted murder?

[Wooblers]

At 9/26/07 04:31 PM, Chickidydow wrote:

At 9/26/07 03:29 PM, MudRockr1 wrote:

It will never stop don't you see? Come to terms with it and let the ignorant protesters protest about a cause that doesn't deserve a side, and let the white dick who put a noose on the tree out of racism burn in hell. In the end everybody wins.

NOT OUT OF RACISM,YOU DUMB SHIT. It was a WHOOOOOLE other story,admitted by CNN too. DO YOUR RESEARCH.

[ViolentAJ]

Well, that's like in Ameri-kwa these days. I told you that multiculturalism doesn't work. I hope that you're all ready for the race war.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pd f

A part of me is really looking forward to it. It's just a shame that I live in Mexifornia, and all non-Blacks are going to gang up against Blacks to begin with it seems. That's the scenario I see. After we are eliminated, it will be a White vs Latino battle for the continent (I wonder what'll happen to the Asians, or if the jews will be discovered and targetted). I really hope that the Whites win it perosnally. Although I will die either way, I prefer White civilization.

[fli]

At 9/26/07 07:18 PM, SevenSeize wrote: Noose incident was completely unrelated to the Jena Six beating.

I have to disagree.

The nooses were the catalysts of the event, granted that there was a precedent to their existing tension... BUT, it was that event that started it all.

No. They planned the attack. He may have been a jerk, but the 6 planned to beat him up.

That other student, as I've heard from the news, was more than a mere jerk. He had a history perpetuating violence against Blacks which is also planned assault.

I am not saying Jena 6 should not be punished, but they ought to recieve the same punishment that law enforcement and the school had given to the White students whom perpetuated against Black students.

How is it that when a White guy beats a Black guy... it's just High School Shiningans.
But a Black guy on a White guy... it's attempted murder?

6 people ganged up to beat one person. Murder? no.

LET THEM GO FREE FOR BREAKING THE LAW????

Also no.

Of course they should be let out of prison. I've seen and heard these types of fights before and they have never resulted in a jail sentence that's more than a few weeks. And we're talking about Juvvy Hall, not adult prison.

For this type of fight, the punishment exceeds the crime. That White kid's bones are going to heal (they've probably healed by now.) But, put a youth behind bars for 10 years and you have essential ruined that life because when he comes out of jail, he won't even have an education to work in McDonalds. With no work, no ambitions, no prospects in life... he's only got crime to fall back on.

Take him out of jail and put him back in school so that he can face detention, suspension, or whatever is normal under those circumstances.

[Draconias]

I don't particularly see the issue here that everyone is getting worked up about:

One guy threatened others, so he was suspended from school (punished).

Six guys assaulted an individual, one with a prior assault record was (apparently) assumed to be the ringleader and was placed in jail temporarily.

So what's the issue? This sort of thing happens a hundred times a day across the country, but protestors choose now to get all worked up? And you guys, too? Basic criminal actions happened, get over it. Race is irrelevant in such a minor issue; this isn't ethnic gang wars, it's a bunch of fools and nothing more.

[fli]

At 9/26/07 07:54 PM, SevenSeize wrote: NO, it wasn't. Not only do I live there and know all these idiots, from both sides, but I read CNN.

Again, I have to disagree because the nooses lead to the tension. Tension begets more tension. Until it boils down to that.

Okay, the beating didn't directly proceed the nooses. However, the nooses were the ROOTS to it. Because the event that lead to that White student's attack was influenced by another one, and that one was influenced by another one, and where did that orginate?

You know what I'm going to say.

Yeah? SO! Have you taken a look at the record of the fellow still being held in jail, the one of the 6 who isn't free yet? You want to talk about records!

So?
Because it makes huge difference because it shows that SOMETHING HAPPENED before Bell and friends attacked him.

"""""Three months prior to that attack, Bell committed two violent crimes while on probation for a Christmas Day battery in 2005, according to testimony. Later that same week, he led the Jena Giants to a shutout victory in a football game against the Buckeye Panthers.

""""""

Now you're just splitting hairs. So Bell has more skeletons in his closet when you compare him to that White student. It's like you're trying to make a point that that the White student was "more innocent" or something because his record isn't bigger.

That doesn't make a difference that the White student goaded other Black students, and even though we as adults know that that shouldn't warrant a beating... it makes sense to the young and stupid.

The only thing we can do is teach them to not be young and stupid by punishing them... BUT punishing them APPROPRIATELY. In California at least, we use expulsion and juvvy hall for a crime like this. Now, had Bell had the intent to kill and used an ACTUAL weapon like a knife (not an ol' smelly sneaker) then prison may had been appropriate.

Link, from MY local newspaper

The record shouldn't matter. No one was arrested for a record. This is about it should be ILLEGAL to beat someone up, regardless of the color of your skin. EVERYONE should have to follow the law.

I agree with you darling that far, but frankly... I wouldn't want to live is Louisana where the punishment is steeper than the punishment. People should follow the law but the law should be JUST.

UM NO. Beause 6 white students had NOT ganged up and beat up a black student. It's NOT the same.

Okay, let me clarify:
It should be equal in punishment... as if 6 White kids jumped on 1 Black kid.

Heck, in the events prior the the Bell beating... White students had perpetuated physical violence on Black students.

They didn't even get suspended how most students get. They got suspended, but still attended school.

While that doesn't compare in severity to how Bell and his friends beat up that one White kid... We should note the leneincy in this sitaution.

Letting White kids beatup Black kids but still letting them attend to class = inappropriate.
Letting Back kids beatup up a White kid but send him to an adult prison on attempted murder charges = inappropriate.

Shouldn't break the law. There are consequences for your actions.

And I agree. But again, I also think the law should be just.

I agree he should not be tried for attempted murder.

I do NOT think he should be free.

Take him out of jail and put him back in school so that he can face detention, suspension, or whatever is normal under those circumstances.

WHAT'S NORMAL UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, IS THAT YOU GO TO JAIL FOR BATTERY!

So, why weren't previous beating put infront of a court where they're possible jail time?
Like you said. Uner those circumstances, isn't that what you get for battery?

But you we are talking about high school where the law is slightly different when it comes to free speech, assembly... and even violence.

Suspension, juvvy time, and a record should had been the max.

[fli]

Well, something goes right for once...

Blanco: No challenge of 'Jena 6' ruling By DOUG SIMPSON, Associated Press Writer
47 minutes ago

BATON ROUGE, La. - Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said Wednesday that the prosecutor in one of the so-called "Jena 6" cases has decided not to challenge an appellate ruling that sends the case to juvenile court.

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LaSalle Parish District Attorney Reed Walters had earlier said he would appeal the state appeals court's decision that 17-year-old Mychal Bell's second-degree battery conviction be set aside. The court ruled that Bell could not be tried as an adult.

Blanco said she had spoken with Walters and asked him to reconsider pushing to keep the case in the adult courts system. She said Walters contacted her Wednesday to say he had decided not to appeal the ruling.

"I want to thank him for this decision he has made," Blanco said.

Bell, who remains behind bars, was one of six Jena High School teens arrested after a December attack on a white student, Justin Barker. Five of the six teens initially were charged with attempted second-degree murder, though charges for four of them, including Bell, were later reduced. One teen hasn't been arraigned, and the case of the sixth, handled as a juvenile, is sealed.

Blanco made her announcement at a news conference with activists Martin Luther King III and the Rev. Al Sharpton. Sharpton said he hopes a bond will be set low enough to allow for Bell's release, and he thanked Blanco for getting involved in the matter.

"I want to congratulate her for showing leadership," Sharpton said. "And I want to congratulate the district attorney for good judgment."

Blanco said Walters gave her permission to announce his decision, and that he planned to discuss his decision publicly on Thursday. A phone call placed at Walters' home went unanswered Wednesday.

The case brought more than 20,000 protesters to the central Louisiana town of Jena last week in a marched that harkened back to the demonstrations of the 1950s and '60s.

Critics accuse local officials of prosecuting blacks more harshly than whites. They note that no charges were filed against three white teens suspended from the high school for allegedly hanging nooses in a tree on campus - an incident that was followed by fights between blacks and whites, including the attack on Barker.

Walters has condemned the noose incident - calling it "abhorrent and stupid" in a New York Times op-ed piece Thursday - but said the act broke no Louisiana law.

In the article, Walters defended the aggravated second-degree battery counts most of those charged in the attack on Barker now face. He said Barker was "blindsided," knocked unconscious and kicked by at least six people, and would have faced "severe injury or death" had another student not intervened.

[SmilezRoyale]

The nooses were the catalysts of the event, granted that there was a precedent to their existing tension... BUT, it was that event that started it all.

However... so long as it wasn't done in malice to the 'black individuals' it would be no different from me walking backwards, and you taking it offensively and punching me in the face as a result.

if what the 'white people' did was out of malice of some other sort of thing, and could be prooven to be illegal, they should be punished.

In short, do 2 things

Trial the 'whites' for a hatecrime, have all the protestors watch the court scene, or atleast make it avaiable to them.

Do the same with the 'blacks' for battery [though it already has been done; i'm being hypathetical] and allow people acess to the trial.

if you trial them independently, asuming there's sufficient evidence everyone should get they're justice.

[fli]

At 9/26/07 09:52 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: However... so long as it wasn't done in malice to the 'black individuals' it would be no different from me walking backwards, and you taking it offensively and punching me in the face as a result.

Walking backwards doesn't carry the same meaning as a hanging nose under a tree that people call "the White Tree."

All hate crimes are malicious because they cause panic and fear.

[Gunter45]

Fli, seriously, this is absurd. This tension bullshit does not discount the facts. Six kids beat up another kid. The situation is unimportant, there is no reason why the situation had to resort to violence. MLK Jr. is tossing and turning in his grave right now. These kids are thugs and aren't worth defending. If the leaders of the black community were actually taking a page from Dr. King, they would tell these kids that they broke the law and now have to suffer the consequences. Dr. King was in jail for breaking an unjust law, but he served his time, nonetheless. He did it to show that the law was unjust. Since when is going to jail for assault unjust? Face it, these kids are only getting the spotlight because the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are racist assholes who try to turn everything into a race war.

[tony4moroney]

At 9/27/07 12:45 AM, fli wrote:

All hate crimes are malicious because they cause panic and fear.

but beating somebody senseless with a mob by all understandings is worst than hanging a noose and being racially exclusive.

i have to agree with gunter here, while it is disgraceful that students hung a noose underneath a tree and were racist it's not a justification to call up your buddies and then single them out and beat the shit out of them. nobody is right here and nobody is being victimized.

white kids - expulsion, record for aggravating/ inciting violence, sued?
black kids - assault

[Proteas]

At 9/26/07 09:06 PM, fli wrote: Again, I have to disagree because the nooses lead to the tension.

The story goes that a year ago, a black student asked at an assembly if he could sit in the shade of a live oak, which, the story goes, was labeled "the white tree" because only white students hung out there. The next day, three nooses dangled from the oak - code for "KKK" - the handiwork of three white students, who were suspended for just three days.

Much of that is disputed. What happened next is not: Two months later, an arsonist torched a wing of Jena High School. (The case remains unsolved.) Two fights between blacks and whites roiled the town that weekend, culminating in a school-yard brawl on Dec. 4 that led the district attorney to charge the Jena Six with attempted murder. The lethal weapon he cited to justify the charge: the boys' sneakers.

.......

_There was no connection between the September noose incident and December attack, according to Donald Washington, an attorney for the U.S. Justice Department in western Louisiana, who investigated claims that these events might be race-related hate crimes.

The noose incident and the beating itself occured almost 4 months apart.

Also;

_The three youths accused of hanging the nooses were not suspended for just three days - they were isolated at an alternative school for about a month, and then given an in-school suspension for two weeks.

And finally, the "all white jury" part...

_The six-member jury that convicted Bell was, indeed, all white. However, only one in 10 people in LaSalle Parish is African American, and though black residents were selected randomly by computer and summoned for jury selection, none showed up.

[fli]

At 9/27/07 07:52 AM, Gunter45 wrote: Fli, seriously, this is absurd. This tension bullshit does not discount the facts. Six kids beat up another kid. The situation is unimportant, there is no reason why the situation had to resort to violence. MLK Jr. is tossing and turning in his grave right now. These kids are thugs and aren't worth defending. If the leaders of the black community were actually taking a page from Dr. King, they would tell these kids that they broke the law and now have to suffer the consequences. Dr. King was in jail for breaking an unjust law, but he served his time, nonetheless. He did it to show that the law was unjust. Since when is going to jail for assault unjust? Face it, these kids are only getting the spotlight because the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are racist assholes who try to turn everything into a race war.

Wait a sec.
What's wrong with making the punishment fit the crime? There is absolutely nothing absurd in that because I've been high school (most of us, I presume) and I remember these type of violence. And none of them ever escalated to what is truly absurd.

They maybe thugs, but even they have their constitutional rights; they have the eighth amendment which states that prisoners should not be inflicted with cruel and unusual punishment.

When a crime, which would normally warrant suspension and jail time (in a Juvvy Hall, not prison), is given the status of adult near murder, then that becomes unusual punishment.

They may not personally be people worthwhile to fight, I agree with you,
but it's always worthwhile to fight against an unjust action.

[stafffighter]

At 9/27/07 12:41 PM, fli wrote:

They may not personally be people worthwhile to fight, I agree with you,
but it's always worthwhile to fight against an unjust action.

If you agree that they are personally not worth fighting for that stop flying that sig. If you're for equality and fair treatment then don't present yourself as an overindulgent liberal charactature. They did what they were punished for. Fight against unjust action if you want but saying "free the jena six" just turns you into loud trash with a sign.
The noose incedent sparking tension that already existed does not make it related. This is the choosing of an icon to take out your aggressions and that is not justified in any terms.
You're too good to hide behind rhetoric like this.

[fli]

At 9/27/07 01:03 PM, stafffighter wrote: If you agree that they are personally not worth fighting for that stop flying that sig. If you're for equality and fair treatment then don't present yourself as an overindulgent liberal charactature. They did what they were punished for. Fight against unjust action if you want but saying "free the jena six" just turns you into loud trash with a sign.
The noose incedent sparking tension that already existed does not make it related. This is the choosing of an icon to take out your aggressions and that is not justified in any terms.
You're too good to hide behind rhetoric like this.

Why do you believe that you must believe in a person to fight for his or her cause?
This isn't some "overindulegent liberal" dogma or even ignorance but fairness.

Bell is no poster child for the injustices in the world. I'm sure he's perpetuated some of that (or will, if he continues his lifestyle.) But does this in some way justify to give him an unfair punishment?

No it doesn't.
If we believe that criminals should pay for their crimes more steply, then we're part of those individuals who believe that we can kill Chinese prisoners for their organs because they're just only prisonors, and those who can't see the cruelty in those Gitmo pictures because they're just only terrorists.

I am not trying to pertuate any kind of liberal ideology, but I sincerely believe we ought to free the Jenna 6 so that they can go to Juvvy Hall and be trialed as minors. Because it's completly crazy how kids (yes, they are still kids) had been put infront in an adult court.

Nobody can justify this type of high school bullshit with such extreme prosecution of the law. I've talked to other people from other states, and they never recall seeing similar type of fights being punished. Yes, it's battery... but have we all forgotten that life within a high school is much more different? Things like free speech, dress code, conduct, etc-- they're regulated by high school. Surely, this most be true for most of the country, even in Louisiana, because the previous cases where White students perpetuated violence on Black ones never faced an authority who was beyond a high school administrator.

What made the Jena 6 case so dissimilar from other cases that it warranted to follow a little often used precedent? Perhaps it has never been used before, because I can't find other cases like this where they got trialed in an adult court system.

There is a protocol that high school use in these type of situations and I think it's pretty obvious, even down right common sense in fact, to most people and it's usually suspension, juvvy time, and paying punitive bills such as hospital bills. And counselling, I think, at least... in many situations.

Saying "Free the Jena 6" is not trashy.
There is no other way to say it when you got 6 kids unfairly imprisoned whose fates should have never been out from the hands of high school authority to be placed in the paws of a court system with a historic and, most importantly, statistically measurable tendency to punish Blacks harsher than Whites.

But oh, don't mind me.
I'm hiding behind an aggressive rhetoric that nobody has never seen me use before (and certainly not in gay debates. Ever...) because this is the first time anyone has seen me use liberal over-indulgence.

[Proteas]

At 9/27/07 04:56 PM, fli wrote: I am not trying to pertuate any kind of liberal ideology, but I sincerely believe we ought to free the Jenna 6 so that they can go to Juvvy Hall and be trialed as minors. Because it's completly crazy how kids (yes, they are still kids) had been put infront in an adult court.

Five of the Jena Six have already been released, the only one being kept is the one with a criminal record... a record which -- strangely enough -- carries two counts of aggravated assault (one of which was comitted while he was on PROBATION for the first) and two counts of criminal property damage (also done whilst on probation for assault).

Mychal Bell is far from an innocent victim in all this, and I suspect that it's been quite some time since he was something the local school system and Juvenille Hall could handle on their own.

[WolvenBear]

At 9/27/07 04:56 PM, fli wrote: I am not trying to pertuate any kind of liberal ideology, but I sincerely believe we ought to free the Jenna 6 so that they can go to Juvvy Hall and be trialed as minors. Because it's completly crazy how kids (yes, they are still kids) had been put infront in an adult court.
What made the Jena 6 case so dissimilar from other cases that it warranted to follow a little often used precedent? Perhaps it has never been used before, because I can't find other cases like this where they got trialed in an adult court system.
Saying "Free the Jena 6" is not trashy.
There is no other way to say it when you got 6 kids unfairly imprisoned whose fates should have never been out from the hands of high school authority to be placed in the paws of a court system with a historic and, most importantly, statistically measurable tendency to punish Blacks harsher than Whites.

They committed assault Fli. School districts are not able to deal with crimes. This was not a school yard fight, it was a 6 on 1 attack from behind, and gang beating. They knocked him out and sent him to the hospital. He had 14,000 in hospital bills. The only boy still being held has a criminal record. So as of such, he's not "unfairly imprisoned". The six attackers were between 16-18. (In many states you can be charged as an adult either at 16 or 17. Before the protests even took place, they had dropped the attempted murder charges. So in other words, your appeal to emotion is crap. The kid was not facing life in prison.

Moreover, the nooses were not a catalyst, as they happened several months prior. Simply happening before something else doesn't make the two connected. The "Jena 6" movement is based on so many lies and misinformation that anyone who is duped into feeling sorry for this little thugs, should get a swift kick to the head to knock some sense into them.

[fli]

At 9/27/07 05:29 PM, Proteas wrote: Mychal Bell is far from an innocent victim in all this, and I suspect that it's been quite some time since he was something the local school system and Juvenille Hall could handle on their own.

But that doesn't change the fact that he is still a legal minor. The only time when an adult court system should intervene is when the situation is so desperate that there is no other way, or when this is true attempted murder with an actual deadly weapon (not an old ranky sneaker.)

Here's a picture of Justin Barker, Bell's victims, and he looks like crap. It looks like he had the shit beaten out of him. I am in no way saying that the severity of the attack deminishes the violence against him or the importance of it, however--

It's important to know how sever his attack was if his lawyers are saying Bell and friends were attacking to kill or maim. What was perpetuated on him was aggravated assault, not a felony.

What should had happened was this:
Barker, who was friends or close associates with the people who hung the nooses (and everyone still insists that that was unrelated still...), get detention or a 3 day suspension for calling some black kid a ni**gger.

Bell and friends should had gotten suspended. If a court had to be involved... then it shouldn't had gotten past the Judge Judy's 3PM time slot.

[Proteas]

At 9/27/07 06:09 PM, fli wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that he is still a legal minor.

His disregaurd for the law and the forethought to plan such an attack belies his youth. He may be a minor, but his actions and motives are those of someone much older.

It looks like he had the shit beaten out of him.

His eye is swollen shut, he's covered in bruises, he had to go home early that night from his highschool's Ring Ceremony because he was in pain from the attack, and he has sense complained of cluster migraines and memory loss (but since he blacked out and had to be carried to hospital unconcious after the attack, I guess that goes with the territory).

It doesn't LOOK like he had the shit beaten out of him, fli, he DID have it beaten out of him.

What was perpetuated on him was aggravated assault, not a felony.

And that is what he's being charged with; aggravated assault, not murder or even attempted murder. The charge fits the crime.

Barker, who was friends or close associates with the people who hung the nooses (and everyone still insists that that was unrelated still...), get detention or a 3 day suspension for calling some black kid a ni**gger.

Did you somehow miss the part where I showed that the teens involved with the unrelated noose incident were put in an alternative school for a month, and then given two weeks of inschool suspension upon their return? The school already took care of them.

Bell and friends should had gotten suspended.

Explain to me how a 6 on 1 gang assault should be met with the same kind of punishment that of hanging a noose in a tree, because one of those two crimes seems a little... worse, to me.

[WolvenBear]

At 9/27/07 06:09 PM, fli wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that he is still a legal minor. The only time when an adult court system should intervene is when the situation is so desperate that there is no other way, or when this is true attempted murder with an actual deadly weapon (not an old ranky sneaker.)

You can be charged as an adult at either 16 or 17 in most states. The fact that this kid is a repeat offender shows that he's just not getting it. And a 6 on one beating can kill someone. They beat this guy so bad, he was unconscious, and continued beating the hell out of him long after he was down.
You can beat someone to death, and that they continued to punch and kick him after he was clearly out, and only stopped after they were chased off, shows that they severely wanted to hurt this guy, if not kill him.

Here's a picture of Justin Barker, Bell's victims, and he looks like crap. It looks like he had the shit beaten out of him. I am in no way saying that the severity of the attack deminishes the violence against him or the importance of it, however--

"However...it DOES!"

It's important to know how sever his attack was if his lawyers are saying Bell and friends were attacking to kill or maim. What was perpetuated on him was aggravated assault, not a felony.

Aggravated assault IS a felony. What are you talking about? And there's no doubt that he planned to cause serious injury. Partially because HE DID, and partially because none of the 6 was showing signs of stopping.

What should had happened was this:
Barker, who was friends or close associates with the people who hung the nooses (and everyone still insists that that was unrelated still...), get detention or a 3 day suspension for calling some black kid a ni**gger.

Why in the hell should he get suspended? He had the shit kicked out of him. Whatever punishment was merited, he got much more than that already.

Bell and friends should had gotten suspended. If a court had to be involved... then it shouldn't had gotten past the Judge Judy's 3PM time slot.

Stop minimalizing this crime. All 6 of these guys should go to jail. This is not a small claim court matter (14 grand is far past the 5 grand scc can give). It was a pre-meditated, vicious gang-assault that put a kid in the hospital. They beat him unconscious and kept going. If they wanted to, they COULD get this kid for attempted murder. Because if some other student hadn't run him off...they wouldn't have stopped. How do we know this? Because the kid was out, and they kept going.

These 6 are thugs and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Gunter45]

At 9/27/07 12:41 PM, fli wrote: Wait a sec.
What's wrong with making the punishment fit the crime? There is absolutely nothing absurd in that because I've been high school (most of us, I presume) and I remember these type of violence. And none of them ever escalated to what is truly absurd.

I've never seen somebody get beaten up so bad that they get sent to the hospital in high school. Not to mention the fact that they're facing assault charges, which is exactly what the crime is.

We're arguing from a purely legal standpoint, whereas you have some retarded notion that the law is somehow being circumvented. The "Jena Six" supposedly beat this kid up for something that happened months ago. Not only is hanging nooses not illegal, even if it is in extremely bad taste, but it happened quite a while ago, meaning their actions where not these crimes of passion that were immediately kindled by some sense of moral outrage. If that was the case, this would have happened awhile ago. It still would have been illegal, but at least their story would have been straight. The fact is, not only did these people spit in the face of everything that Dr. King stood for, they have the gall to act like it was for the good of their race.

Besides, we seem to do a pretty good job of imprisoning jilted lovers who beat up their significant other or the person they cheated with. Even justifiable anger does NOT give you the right to be above the law and inflict physical harm on another human being. If you believe that race grants somebody some mysterious right to be above the law, then you're one seriously racist guy.

[Elfer]

At 9/27/07 12:41 PM, fli wrote: Wait a sec.
What's wrong with making the punishment fit the crime?

Aggravated second-degree battery seems reasonable for six people jumping a guy and beating him unconscious.

Generally the degrees of assault are also variable depending on the severity of the beating, not just the method.

They knocked him out and sent him to the hospital. This wasn't a schoolyard fight. I'd think that the same charges would be reasonable were the races reversed. Of course, if the races were reversed, there would be a lot of outcry that the sentencing should be more harsh and carry extra hate crime penalties.

But you know, whatever.

[morefngdbs]

At 9/26/07 09:06 PM, fli wrote:

I agree with you darling that far, but frankly... I wouldn't want to live is Louisana where the punishment is steeper than the punishment. People should follow the law but the law should be JUST.

;
Maybe laws should be JUST, that doesn't mean they are.
If the laws were JUST.
A person found with a couple of grams of pot would not be guilty of the same offense as a couple of grams of crack.
But both are charged with "DRUG" offenses, if the law was JUST, one would be in possesion of an prohibited substance for pot, and an illegal drug possesion for crack.
One is much more destructive to a person & society than the other , but the accused is treated the same... so don't try to find 'Just' in our JUSTICE system ; it isn't there to find.

[Idiot-Finder]

At 9/26/07 04:44 PM, fli wrote:

How is it that when a White guy beats a Black guy... it's just High School Shiningans.
But a Black guy on a White guy... it's attempted murder?

So much for equal justice.

[Elfer]

At 9/27/07 06:09 PM, fli wrote: But that doesn't change the fact that he is still a legal minor. The only time when an adult court system should intervene is when the situation is so desperate that there is no other way, or when this is true attempted murder with an actual deadly weapon (not an old ranky sneaker.)

It's important to know how sever his attack was if his lawyers are saying Bell and friends were attacking to kill or maim. What was perpetuated on him was aggravated assault, not a felony.

So, you're complaining that he was being tried in an adult court for attempted murder when the real charge should be aggravated assault in a juvenile court.

Essentially, what you're saying is that the system works, because that's exactly what happened.

[fli]

At 10/1/07 08:47 AM, Elfer wrote: Essentially, what you're saying is that the system works, because that's exactly what happened.

AFTER I had said it!
When I wrote thise, Bell was still in an adult court system for crime that wasn't attempted murder.

I think it was the best move for the courts to revert him to the juvvy justice system. Mmmm... Seems like many people are also agreeing with Bell's reversion to prescriped laws for legal minors, yet those were the same people whom I couldn't persuade them to see how wrong it was in the begininng. What gives?

My only disagreement now is how Bell obtained this. His opposing lawyers didn't see any wrong in this, but just said, "We don't want this to be elongated."