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At 9/26/07 07:14 PM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: If you thought Ahmadinejad was treated disrespectfully here wait until Bush visits Iran... oh wait that will never happen. Gee I wonder why... maybe he's too humble to accept such a warm welcome?

Bush visiting iran might wind up getting a necktie party for some crime he supposedly committed while there.

OF COURSE, Iran is a utopia and has a perfectly spotless human rights record.

absolutely... fucking.... perfect....

At 9/26/07 08:06 AM, Alphabit wrote:

At 9/26/07 07:51 AM, Chickidydow wrote: Wow you haven't got any brains at all have you Alphabit, or do you just refuse to see reason imply becasue then you wouldn't have any grounds to hate America then.

I don't hate Americans, I just don't like the American government. They literally walked out on the guy before he got the chance to make his speech; it's extremely rude and it's definitely not going to resolve the problems. My brain is better than yours.

lets start by breaking this into peices;

- I don't hate americans i just don't like the american government.

Fair enough, But that's such a popular statement made by People who make Generally Negative statements about the united states which are poorly founded. [As opposed to ones that are not]

- They literally walked out on the guy when he tried to make his speech

1) it is within the right of an individual to leave or ignore somone else when they say something they don't want to hear, imagine if i was making a highly conservative speech in a college and you didn't want to hear it, i might be offended from you leaving but i would acknowledge that it would be even worse for me to try and hold you down and listen. Secondly, you just said you disliked the american government, but it wasn't the government who walked out on him, it was COLLEGE STUDENTS. So you're first argument is conflicting with you're previous statement. Think hard next time you write something. Once again... It's my right of Free speech, and it's your right to ignore me, everybody wins.

2) It was extremely rude and not going to solve the problems;

If you think mr. Pres O' iran doesn't already HATE the united states, i don't think anything we could do would make him happier about us, that's the thing about extremists. Just look at Christian Fundies, many of them are surrounded by facts which debunk they're opinions; yet they still remain as they are. Anything we do no matter how kind of generous would not only change nothing about his opinion about us, it would make us look like Cowards and apeasers.

3) My Brain is better than yours:

Do i need to even reply? What if i went straightforth and told you that i'm smarter than you. period.

Asuming that you actually thought i was serious that i truely beleived i was smarter than you, you'd be kind of annoying.

Smilez you got Alphabit in a corner, now hes real quiet since, well ya know he knows he's done

At 9/26/07 05:19 AM, Alphabit wrote: I am pretty disgusted at how the Americans reacted to the visit by the Iranian president. The American government conducted themselves like total brats. I really don't care how much the US despises this man; he 'may' be evil, but that doesn't change the fact that he represents a WHOLE nation; one that is made up of both bad and good people. For one I believe that it was anti-constitutional to not allow him to visit ground zero; this is goes against the very foundations of American ideology; freedom.:

He may be evil? may be? he said in his speech that in his country they hang homosexuals.

And its an AMERICAN ideology. He's from Iran. You think he treats his citizens well? see my above statement. And also...there was some other American ideology, what was it...OH YEAH, FREEDOM OF SPEECH YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT. this wasn't "America" introducing him, it was the president of a college, he could have called the president a cocksucking asswipe douchbag and there's nothing anyone could have don't it. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

At 9/26/07 05:19 AM, Alphabit wrote: I am pretty disgusted at how the Americans reacted to the visit by the Iranian president. The American government conducted themselves like total brats. I really don't care how much the US despises this man; he 'may' be evil, but that doesn't change the fact that he represents a WHOLE nation; one that is made up of both bad and good people. For one I believe that it was anti-constitutional to not allow him to visit ground zero; this is goes against the very foundations of American ideology; freedom.

Like a man much wiser than you'll ever be said recently, "You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly uneducated." If you meant to troll up a conversation; props for being a convincing devil's advocate. But unfortunately too many people share your written ignoramus view of recent events, and I can't take it anymore.

You say he "may" be evil like we're discussing whether or not this is a question on final fucking jeopordy. Ok, so the guy says the holocaust is a fabricated legend, his opinion, whatever. Only problem is he backs up those claims by fueling the insurgency in Iraq, delivering guns and munitions to that kill Iraqis and U.S soldiers.

So the lefty BBS piss ants shit on America because the guy that's supplying weapons for insurgents and Al Qaeda in Iraq wasn't taken politely enough at the U.N. Of course! Here was our one chance to talk some common sense into a man who doesn't believe the FUCKING HOLOCAUST happened.

You chastise Americans, who let this Ahmadinejad into their country to speak to them and to the world; on levels he won't even let his own countrymen enjoy.

You chastise Americans for having no common sense, when ahmadinejad condones the capital punishment of Iranian citizens for being homosexual; and then later asserts there are no homosexuals in Iran. Where the hell are the gay-rights activists when you need them?

You chastise Americans by saying a 10 year old could have done a better job, yet you've offered a rant that might as well have come from one; bringing nothing to the table at all, and shitting on your diplomats for not taking a ranting, anti-Semite politely enough.

The only thing scarier than your warped opinion is that people agree with it.

Please prove me wrong. I'd love to hear it.

I think the Columbia university president, as well as many protesting Americans, lowered themselves to Ahmadinejad's level, through their blatant disrespect.

I'll be the last one to condone Ahmadinejad's actions, but we could have conducted ourselves in a much more civilized manner. Do you know what this sort of thing looks like to other countries? Xenophobia. That's the last thing America needs right now- more countries pissed off at it for being closed minded.

At 9/27/07 01:24 AM, Bolo wrote: I think the Columbia university president, as well as many protesting Americans, lowered themselves to Ahmadinejad's level, through their blatant disrespect.

I personally think his comments were a PISS POOR attempt to salvage Columbia U's image in the aftermath of inviting a mass murderer and closed-minded FUCK to a academic, scholarly discussion.

At 9/27/07 02:30 AM, Thread-Killer wrote:

At 9/27/07 01:24 AM, Bolo wrote: I think the Columbia university president, as well as many protesting Americans, lowered themselves to Ahmadinejad's level, through their blatant disrespect.

I personally think his comments were a PISS POOR attempt to salvage Columbia U's image in the aftermath of inviting a mass murderer and closed-minded FUCK to a academic, scholarly discussion.

I don't get it. So all of you don't think that the "There are no gay people in Iran" line pretty much justifies not only his visit to Columbia U, but his entire trip to the US? I mean, shit, that's gold right there, you don't even get that from Borat. It's pop culture in the making and solid fresh resources for political satire and comedy in general for years to come. I'm talking one-liners, internet memes, TV skits, series, even feature-length movies.
I mean, what is wrong with you people?

Plus, didn't everybody in there pretty much point and laught at him anyway? I mean, since he was already in the US, one would think "well hey, let's have him come over so we can call him a dumb dictator and mock of him". Colleges, after all, exist for two reasons: 1) Educate the people; 2) Make fun of everybody else.

At 9/27/07 01:00 AM, Nylo wrote: Where the hell are the gay-rights activists when you need them?

There are NONE whatsoever to be found in Iran. If there is, then it's extremely underground. The only way they help gay Iranians (and the transgendered) is by being close to the borders where there is some relief.

I expect it could give some sense of hope.

Bah--
fucked. up.

At 9/27/07 01:24 AM, Bolo wrote: I think the Columbia university president, as well as many protesting Americans, lowered themselves to Ahmadinejad's level, through their blatant disrespect.

I'll be the last one to condone Ahmadinejad's actions, but we could have conducted ourselves in a much more civilized manner. Do you know what this sort of thing looks like to other countries? Xenophobia. That's the last thing America needs right now- more countries pissed off at it for being closed minded.

Thank you. That's the point I was trying to get across. I keep saying that this is not about Iran; it's about the US itself, but the discussion keeps coming back to the 'Oh, but they're evil they deserve it'.

We are talking about RIGHT to PROTEST!!!
Which is appropriate behavior in a civilized society against uncivil people.

This isn't bloody murder.

Jesus Christ,
If Hitler was alive, you guys would have be drinking tea with the pinky finger out and taking modest bits from your crumpets which have been lightly spread with current jam and more worried about looking if your bow ties have been properly fashioned on.

Where there is injustice,
expose it and be especially bold too.

Modesty is the least appropriate reaction to this situation.

At 9/27/07 04:48 AM, Alphabit wrote:

At 9/27/07 01:24 AM, Bolo wrote: I think the Columbia university president, as well as many protesting Americans, lowered themselves to Ahmadinejad's level, through their blatant disrespect.

I'll be the last one to condone Ahmadinejad's actions, but we could have conducted ourselves in a much more civilized manner. Do you know what this sort of thing looks like to other countries? Xenophobia. That's the last thing America needs right now- more countries pissed off at it for being closed minded.

Thank you. That's the point I was trying to get across. I keep saying that this is not about Iran; it's about the US itself, but the discussion keeps coming back to the 'Oh, but they're evil they deserve it'.

So stop pissing on and on about the U.S government, they were cordial enough to allow him a visit and let him make his speech and do all that other shitty little stuff but in what way was the U.S disrespectful? It was the university who walked out. And I don't blame them for doing it, would you have sat through "We hang homos" without getting up and leaving out of disgust? And the protesters were the only others who did a damn thing "wrong" in your opinion. So they are disrespectful for showing there opinions in a very legal and constitutional way? You really have to stop contradicting yourself, and also All the constitutional freedoms are for U.S citizens not for diplomats.

Iranian President deserved all this. He is creating trouble in Iraq.

At 9/27/07 07:59 AM, Chickidydow wrote: You really have to stop contradicting yourself

Pfff, that's what people say when they're out of ideas.

Do you ALL have to stick to the stereotypes that the other guy makes up for you? Of course they had the right to protest, for crying out loud the man deserves to be fucking eviscerated for what he has done to his own people. Anyone who calls themselves a liberal should agree with me, this man is the most right wing god-freak there is. He's sexist, homophobic and just plain evil. He keeps the Iranian people from even any basic form of civil liberties. If he was an American, you'd all hate his guts.

And Cellardoor, if we changed this mans religion and skin colour and put him in charge of America instead of Iran, you'd be singing his praises right now.

At 9/27/07 12:04 PM, emmytee wrote: He keeps the Iranian people from even any basic form of civil liberties. If he was an American, you'd all hate his guts.

Actually, the actual population of everyday average Iranians is fairly socially relaxed. Just like Bush's views don't represent those of a large number of Americans, many Iranians don't see eye to eye with Amahdinejad.

At 9/27/07 01:26 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: Actually, the actual population of everyday average Iranians is fairly socially relaxed. Just like Bush's views don't represent those of a large number of Americans, many Iranians don't see eye to eye with Amahdinejad.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe that a society where you can be killed at any time is free at all. Maybe for straight muslim men, yeah, but for anyone else it sucks. I won't try and convince you, but look at any one of the myriad of cases of abuse, especially of rape victims.

At 9/27/07 09:57 AM, Alphabit wrote:

At 9/27/07 07:59 AM, Chickidydow wrote: You really have to stop contradicting yourself

Pfff, that's what people say when they're out of ideas.

What does that mean? I'm giving you helpful advise because your backs against the wall and your opinions been shot apart at every turn and you think I'm out of ideas? The statement itself has nothing to do with anything!

At 9/27/07 04:33 PM, emmytee wrote:

At 9/27/07 01:26 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: Actually, the actual population of everyday average Iranians is fairly socially relaxed. Just like Bush's views don't represent those of a large number of Americans, many Iranians don't see eye to eye with Amahdinejad.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe that a society where you can be killed at any time is free at all. Maybe for straight muslim men, yeah, but for anyone else it sucks. I won't try and convince you, but look at any one of the myriad of cases of abuse, especially of rape victims.

There's a shitload of domestic abuse, murder, rape, robbery, and the rest of all that good stuff, right here in America, too. Compared to other Middle Eastern countries that are theocracies, Iran is pretty moderate.

Myth: Ahmadinejad is a "Holocaust denier."

Fact: Ahmadinejad has from the beginning said that he believes there were terrible crimes against Jews during the Second World War that nobody denies, but he has simply said that real history means that all points of view should be debated and heard. He also correctly points out that 60 million people died in the war, mostly civilians, so why does the world hear more about Jewish suffering in the press than about all the other 60 million victims of the war combined?

Why is the Holocaust brought up almost every day in the press, over 60 years after the war? He suggests that there are political reasons for this; that the Holocaust is used to justify Zionist crimes against millions of Palestinians and other Middle easterners. He rightly suggests that that is the reason why we hear little about the far more murderous Communist gulags and the communist holocaust against tens of millions, or the ethnic cleansing and murder of millions of Germans at the end of the Second World War. The Russian, Eastern European, German victims of the war have no powerful lobby and no powerful representation in a world press dominated by Jewish extremists.

The fact is that Ahmadinejad did not sponsor a "Holocaust Denial" conference in Tehran, he sponsored a Conference for free speech and research on the Holocaust. He was trying to present a forum for academic free speech on the issue. As a speaker at the conference I heard many speakers defend the official Holocaust story, but I also heard many academics raise legitimate questions. Ahmadinejad pointed out rightly that thousands of people, including many academics, have been jailed for simply questioning some parts of the establishment view of the Holocaust story. That is the real affront to humanity he says, jailing people for their opinions, as historian David Irving was jailed in Austria for giving his historical opinion on aspects of the Holocaust.

Instead of condemning Ahmadinejad for allowing free speech on the Holocaust, shouldn't the President of the United States condemn European nations that violate the most basic of human rights: freedom of speech, thought, opinion and conscience? Is that not the real affront to humanity? With all the media claims of suppression of human rights in Iran, people in the West should be ashamed that the President of Iran should be the one to defend freedom of speech in Europe and America.

That asshole Ahmadinejad is just looking for trouble, he really doesn't give a shit about nobody's appearance. Fucking Islamic Republic...

At 9/27/07 06:44 PM, Mad-Saxon wrote: Myth: Ahmadinejad is a "Holocaust denier."

Fact: Ahmadinejad has from the beginning said that he believes there were terrible crimes against Jews during the Second World War that nobody denies, but he has simply said that real history means that all points of view should be debated and heard. He also correctly points out that 60 million people died in the war, mostly civilians, so why does the world hear more about Jewish suffering in the press than about all the other 60 million victims of the war combined?

Fact: Ahmadinejad is quoted "The holocaust is a fabricated myth."

Ahmadinejad only says this when he's in the middle-east, urging attacks against Israel. When educated people challenge him on it, he says "ohh, jeee. /I really meant that it did happen. Just in the way I see it."

Why is the Holocaust brought up almost every day in the press, over 60 years after the war?

Because the Holocaust was allowed to happen. And liberal elites thought facism was was a new-age way of thinking. Should the fact that Holocaust history is widely publicized weaken strong moral feelings against anti-semitism?

He suggests that there are political reasons for this; that the Holocaust is used to justify Zionist crimes against millions of Palestinians and other Middle easterners. He rightly suggests that that is the reason why we hear little about the far more murderous Communist gulags and the communist holocaust against tens of millions, or the ethnic cleansing and murder of millions of Germans at the end of the Second World War. The Russian, Eastern European, German victims of the war have no powerful lobby and no powerful representation in a world press dominated by Jewish extremists.

Soviet Russia is dead. Didn't the United States go through enough reasons why they should hate and shun the actions of the Soviets when they existed? No sensible democracy on earth villifies Communist regime change and occupation more than the United States does. Where in all of this is ahmadinejad correct? Nowhere . You say he rightly suggests it as if it were obvious that history and fact are on his side, when in fact you're just spinning your own opinion and calling it fact.

Ahmadinejad pointed out rightly that thousands of people, including many academics, have been jailed for simply questioning some parts of the establishment view of the Holocaust story. That is the real affront to humanity he says, jailing people for their opinions, as historian David Irving was jailed in Austria for giving his historical opinion on aspects of the Holocaust.

And what about being jailed and killed for your sexual preference? Or instilling such a strong theocracy based on a radicalized interpretation of religion that women have no rights at all to even question their role in society, much less the holocaust. How can I take you or this man seriously in any way, shape, or form when neither of you live up to your definition of freedom?

Instead of condemning Ahmadinejad for allowing free speech on the Holocaust, shouldn't the President of the United States condemn European nations that violate the most basic of human rights: freedom of speech, thought, opinion and conscience? Is that not the real affront to humanity? With all the media claims of suppression of human rights in Iran, people in the West should be ashamed that the President of Iran should be the one to defend freedom of speech in Europe and America.

If a Muslim burnt an American flag and a copy of the Bible in front of the White House, it'd make national news and provoke debate. If an American burnt an Iranian flag and a copy of the Quran in Iran in front of a mosque, he'd be dead.

Feel free to show me more of how little you know of the world.

The man wanted to commemorate the terriorist. He can take himself back to Iran and commemorate them there for all we care. It was a retarded discission for him to come here in the first place. If it was a real terrorist he would have been shot right there.

At 9/27/07 09:55 PM, Mad-Saxon wrote:

At 9/27/07 09:36 PM, Nylo wrote: Israel good/Iran bad

Why do I even fucking bother with the likes of you?

I was asking myself the same question after how badly Nylo owned your stupid ass. In the first place, your argument was completely copypasta (from no one less than David Duke himself). But Nylo nonetheless went and kindly rebuked each point using a little something called LOGIC, which is probably just as foreign to you as originality. In doing so, he completely owned your crappy copypasta argument. And the only response your pathetically inferior mind could produce is this shitty one liner that fails to address even one of the points with which he masterfully buried your FUCKING STUPID post.

At 9/26/07 05:19 AM, Alphabit wrote: blah blah blah

Well, general problems with this:

1) The American government said "OK", and prevented him from doing nothing. Since this is most of your post, and the feds didn'tstop him from doing anything, your entire point is moot.
2) The Iranians would use any actions as a PR victory for them.
3) Foreigners have no right to get paid to come and lie.

I could continue, but your rant fails on every possible basis.

At 9/27/07 01:24 AM, Bolo wrote: I think the Columbia university president, as well as many protesting Americans, lowered themselves to Ahmadinejad's level, through their blatant disrespect.

I'll be the last one to condone Ahmadinejad's actions, but we could have conducted ourselves in a much more civilized manner. Do you know what this sort of thing looks like to other countries? Xenophobia. That's the last thing America needs right now- more countries pissed off at it for being closed minded.

Gotcha. Protesting a murderer is the same as hanging a gay person for liking buttsex.

You're a fucking moron.

At 9/27/07 03:13 AM, Empanado wrote: Plus, didn't everybody in there pretty much point and laught at him anyway? I mean, since he was already in the US, one would think "well hey, let's have him come over so we can call him a dumb dictator and mock of him". Colleges, after all, exist for two reasons: 1) Educate the people; 2) Make fun of everybody else.

No, except for the homosexuals comment they cheered him. Despite this nonsense, the reaon to bring him over was to piss people off. You know, the imbecile who read that "You're either uneducated or dumb..." needs to look in the mirror.

At 9/27/07 06:13 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: There's a shitload of domestic abuse, murder, rape, robbery, and the rest of all that good stuff, right here in America, too. Compared to other Middle Eastern countries that are theocracies, Iran is pretty moderate.

And compared to Stalin, Hitler was a right winger. What point are you trying to make?
It still sucks in Iran. We have abuse here, but it's neither religiously or state-ly condoned.

At 9/27/07 09:55 PM, Mad-Saxon wrote:

At 9/27/07 09:36 PM, Nylo wrote: Israel good/Iran bad

That's not even close to what he wrote. Piss off.

Why do I even fucking bother with the likes of you?

You don't have a chance of debating a rational person. So, I ask myself the same.

The response from those Americans/Jews was rather lulzworthy. Also, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is officially the best troll ever for denying the existence of the Holocaust at his speech.

At 9/28/07 12:19 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 9/27/07 01:24 AM, Bolo wrote: I'll be the last one to condone Ahmadinejad's actions, but we could have conducted ourselves in a much more civilized manner. Do you know what this sort of thing looks like to other countries? Xenophobia. That's the last thing America needs right now- more countries pissed off at it for being closed minded.

Gotcha. Protesting a murderer is the same as hanging a gay person for liking buttsex.

You're a fucking moron.

This is one of those few times when I'm going to have to reply with a good ol' "What the fuck are you talking about?"

Seriously, I can't understand what you're trying to say, here.

At 9/28/07 01:17 AM, Bolo wrote: This is one of those few times when I'm going to have to reply with a good ol' "What the fuck are you talking about?"

Seriously, I can't understand what you're trying to say, here.

You wrote the 2nd stupidest thing I've ever read (After the lesbian who said Achmen..made her wet), that protesting a mass murdering, racist, war mongering, piece of garbage...made us xenophobic.

Despite the fact that this may be the worst single person in the world...the protests against him were civil, intelligent, and completely above board. Despite being a mass murdering piece of crap who hangs gays, wants to annihiliate Israel, and is killing our soldiers...you find fault with the best example of protestors in your entire life.

How are we supposed to greet this trash Bolo? Give him flowers? Throw him a party? Organize a parade in his honor. Quite simply, there has not been an event in this nation's history when leftists have acted so bloody stupid: decrying our intelligent citizenry as opposed to our worst enemy.
Anyone who demonizes the protesters against this trash should do us all a favor and just shut the hell up. It'd be better if you died or something, but that's asking too much.

At 9/28/07 12:17 AM, Mad-Saxon wrote:

At 9/27/07 11:56 PM, Thread-Killer wrote:

fuck load of kike piss

Fuck you kike!

Oh damn, I guess we lose that argument