At 10/1/07 01:30 PM, TimTheGreat wrote:
At 9/30/07 08:55 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
Actually you owe your existence to the US because Britain would NEVER, EVER have been able to hold off the Germans for long had the US not first supplied them with almost all of their war material, and second, had the US not intervened with troops.
You make me laugh. You do know that the Battle of Britain was won before America entered the war.
You make me laugh. You overemphasize the Battle of Britain, which was a small-scale air war.
Hitler had stopped any invasion plans on Britain... Before America even started giving aide to Britain.
Nope. The US started giving aide to Britain before Lend-Lease was even created.
My Country doesn't at all owe it's existance to the US. Your incredibly sad if you think it does.
Actually it does, and you're incredibly brainwashed if you think it doesn't. See, you HAVE to lie to yourself otherwise your country couldn't have pride. Think about it subjectively: The country that defeated your Empire, and gained independence from it... later came to be your country's savior. If you Brits actually accepted this fact, you wouldn't have much room for national pride. In fact, you probably would have almost no pride.
Not to mention the fact that the German forces couldn't of attacked Britain anyway. Air Superiority or not. Their Navy couldn't of operated a succesfull invasion on Britain. (unless maybe if they secured Ireland)
If the US never provided aide, and never intervened in the war, the Germans would not only have defeated the Russians, but their power over western Europe (which the British could NEVER have liberated) would have been economic benefit. The Germans would have had time to develope the newer technologies they had, they would have lost less lives on the Eastern Front, and they would have EASILY regained composure and easily have invaded and destroyed Britain.
The Aide the US gave to Britain, helped Britain fight in nearly every Theater of the war
If only Britain actually fought in every theater of war.
To a large extent. It didn't help Britain defend, it helped Britain attack.
Actually it helped it defend as well, because Britain is an Island, it doesn't have the resources to maintain a war, not even a defensive war. If the US didn't enter the war, the Germans would have only go stronger, and gained more and more land. The British and the Russians both would have eventually lost, especially considering how fucking advanced the stuff was the Germans were developing. Without the US providing aide and then fighting simultaneously, the Germans would have had plenty of time to keep growing their forces, and building up their weapons, especially their early jet fighters and ballistic missiles.
I find it incredibly amusing, sad little shytes like yourself who when it comes to WW2 can't say anything but, WE SUPPLIED THE WAR, THEREFORE WE WON IT.
Actually we supplied the war, and we were the only country to fight in every theater of war. The US was the single largest factor to allied victory. Not only because without the aide the US provided, both Britain and the USSR would have been raped by the Germans. But also because when the US did enter with troops, the US single handedly defeated the Japanese while simultaneously taking a more important role in Europe than the British. The US supplied and led the operation against the Germans, as the Supreme Allied Commander was an American general, and US troops did by far the most on the Western Front, and their supplies were essential on both fronts in Europe.
anywho, The Canadians and Australians could of said no.
No they couldn't have. Not only because it was their legal obligation as commonwealth nations to come to the defense of Britain, but also because not participating would have destroyed their economies that depended on Britain.
But they didn't. Just like America found ways of not helping Britain in the Falklands
Yeah, the US didn't support Britain's imperialistic war to control a colony.
And your little quip about the Australians joining because of the threat of japanese is pathetic. If it was because of that why did they take their navy to the Med and their troops to Africa, rather than stay in the Pacific.
No it's not, because the Australians only provided token forces to the British operations, they still had the majority of their forces in their home country.
I don't Deny that American and Britain did do alot of good in Ww2, but their involvement wasn't as selfless as countrys like Canada.
Lol, I love it when you say Canada, a country that was part of the British commonwealth and part of a mutual defense pact, was "selfless" by entering the war. When Germany declared war on the British Empire, they declared war on Canada and Australia because they WERE and still technically are part of the British Empire.
America was forced into the war.
Not really. Pearl Harbor came after the US already made a decision to aide the British. The US was isolationist, it had no reason to enter the war with troops in Europe because Germany and Italy had not declared war on the US.
Canada did alot more to protect Britain in WW2 than America. It's a Fact.
And by "fact" you mean it's the British myth. In addition to a whole host of other myths, designed to maintain pride, and ignore the reality of a situation that when acknowledged, would force British people to accept the fact that the US was their savior. This is something that would be way too damaging to British pride, this explains the incredibly high level of delusion and ignorance of WWII that British (and Canadian) people have.
At 10/1/07 01:35 PM, TimTheGreat wrote:
I would also like to add, that Lend-Lease was fairly cowardly in my eyes, yes it helped a huge deal. But what america should of done was join the war strait away.
No, it would have been unconstitutional and against the nature of the US at the time if the US joined a war with troops against people who had not declared war on the US or attacked us directly.
Lend-Lease was actually the most benevolent thing the US could have done. Without the aide the US provided to all the allies (free of charge I might add), they would have been fucked, it's as simple as that. The MAJORITY of war material the British used, and a large chunk of what the Soviets used, was provided by the US.
You don't throw a wad of cash at a women getting raped do you.
You don't come to the rescue of an Empire, that the majority of your nation considers to be no better than Germany, when the official policy of your country is isolationist at that point in time.
So stop boasting about it.
Stop denying it's gigantic importance just because accepting the fact that America is your savior compromises your otherwise nonexistent British pride.