Hunting Women Legal

[Ninja-Scientist]

I learned about two interesting issues recently.

It seems that, with new technology these days, women are still being treated literally like animals for sport in our culture and on some websites. And I'm not talking about "porn" in general.
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I'm sure most of you have loosely heard the term, "upskirting" by now. But I didn't realize it was such a big business.

Upskirting is when a man hides a camera (in, say, a duffle bag or something), and films up the dresses of random, unexpecting women. And then sells this on the internet as porn.

The scary thing about this phenomenom (aside from, of course, having your panties filmed by some pervert against your will and having it put on the internet for other perverts to pay to see) is how the sites work themselves. The sights actually promote upskirting as a female hunting game. The sites offer rewards for ammature films, which can be up to 300 dollars if not more for the film. And even offer "spy schools" which tell men the best way to prey on the unsuspecting women without getting caught.

Quote from one site: "Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to infiltrate by every means possible the places where subjects are least expected to be seen."

The manager of one of these sites causually called upskirting "a game." And the sites are often promoted this way. The men are the "hunters" and the women are the "animals."

Quote from site manager: "Going out and getting these images is like a hunting game for them. Although they use the video camera as their weapon, whereas a hunter would use a rifle. Where the hunter's prey is an animal, the video voyeur's prey is the unsuspecting woman."

Although a few may say that this isn't "hurting anyone." These sites are particularly dangerous because they promote the preying on women, sexual hunting, and spying on of women as something that is OK. And they get this message accross by portraying the women as "less than human." Needless to say, this isn't a good combination. Once men are turned on to this bizarre and unatural "fetish" and their views of women are warped, it will be hard for them to stop it, and even worse, not let it get worse.

Well, don't these "less than human" women have rights? Apparently not.

Hunting women in this way is legal.

Here is some information on it:

http://www.techtv.com/cybercrime/privacy/story/0,23008,3013505,00.html
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Well, if sexually hunting women isn't sick enough. How about literally hunting women for sport?

Well, with a new fad called "hunting bambi" that's also legal, too.

Hunting Bambi is like a paintball game, but with one difference......you hunt naked women.

After you shoot the women with paintballs, you get to go over and fondle them to your own delite as they lay of the floor submissively, like a shot deer.

Isn't paying to do that prostitution? @_o'

Not only should literally hunting women (though willing in this case) as a sexual game be illegal (again for some of the same reasons as upskirting should be), but, naturally, sense these women are naked, they wear no protection what so ever. And, as any one who plays paintball knows, getting shot by a ball of paint hurts really badly, and can cause brusing and even internal damage in some cases (my mom's a nurse, so I know this ^_-).

The man who promoted this game first, defends that these human women don't wear protection.

Quote: "Well, when I got hunting deer, the deer doesn't wear a helmet, so when I'm hunting a woman, why should she wear protection?"

......Someone apparently hasn't told this man yet that women aren't animals. They're not deer. They're equal human beings.

And the attitude of this man spreads to all his customers. Those who pay to play the game and those who just purchase the videos of the game. Again, even worse.

So, even worse than upskirting, this game teaches men to optain sexual pleasure out of causing women pain. Again, not a good combination. And, just like the upskirting phenominon, it tries to teach men that women are less than human and therefore, that it's OK to hunt them for your sexual pleasure.

http://www.techtv.com/news/shownotes/story/0,24195,3474494,00.html

Vicious sexual fads such as these are not "games." The promote sexual preditors by deeming their actions as "OK" and by informing the men of our culture that women are less than human, and unequal human beings.

Both, in my opinion, should be prohibited.

[TheShrike]

Women aren't deer?

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/18/03 09:30 PM, TheShrike wrote: Women aren't deer?

lol. Shocking, isn't it?

For some good examples on how this is effecting the views of many men in our society, please check out this other NG link:

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=78026

Viva Las Vegas? O_o

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/18/03 09:58 PM, _crossbreed_ wrote: Viva Las Vegas? O_o

lol. Not quite Las Vegas, but it was in Nevada.

The guy who started it sounded like he was from the South though. A bit "hickish," too. lol.

Here's a petition against it. Please sign it. It shows all the injuries the women get from this "game."

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/10442563/petition.html

[Lyddiechu]

whatever, i think its sick but if i needed the money for school i would do it. its not as bad as prostitution and hell some women might even get off on the thrill of the "chase". plus they are making money off of men's stupidity.

viva las vegas!

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/18/03 10:12 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: whatever, i think its sick but if i needed the money for school i would do it. its not as bad as prostitution and hell some women might even get off on the thrill of the "chase". plus they are making money off of men's stupidity.

Having a man physically abuse you and then fondle you to his desire after he "catches you" is prostitution.

*sigh* Again shows you how our culture works. Now we have girls who think that one of the only ways they can pull themselves through school is to give up their dignity and sell their rights to their own bodies to men (in many ways) for the guys' sexual benefit.

It's just sad. -_-' I would rather starve then have to rely on getting paid for a man to abuse me with pain or sexual actions. At least I'd still have my pride as a human being.

Also, you didn't even mention how stuff like this affects the men in our society and the women they are around by defalt.

Die Las Vegas! lol.

[Lyddiechu]

well, they dont have to fondle you after you get shot, that just happened in the video, plus football players earn money off of ruining their bodies so in a way you could also call that prostitution just of a different sort.

anyway, i think that if men are sick and stupid, women might as well make some money off of it since they arents going to stop being sick and stupid.

but the danger does always arise of blurring fantasy with reality. i would rather get shot at and eat, personally... but i wont have to worry about that. i think selling ones body and selling ones soul are two different things, and that is less "bad" to sell one's body than to sell one's soul..

just a question.. why does literatue/pop culture portray selling one's body as worse than selling one's soul???

[TheShrike]

At 7/18/03 10:34 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Having a man physically abuse you and then fondle you to his desire after he "catches you" is prostitution.

Selling sex is prostitution. Even the republicans who went after Bill Clinton wouldn't call this sex.

*sigh* Again shows you how our culture works. Now we have girls who think that one of the only ways they can pull themselves through school is to give up their dignity and sell their rights to their own bodies to men (in many ways) for the guys' sexual benefit.

Umm... you know, sometimes people like that. Sorry if that doesn't agree with you, but some women like to be sexual objects. And so do some men. You look at all of them as victims; slaves of the system. I think they're more liberated in heart and in spirit. Not to mention they have a hell of a lot more guts than you probably do. Let's say the guys who hunt you have water balloons instead of paintball guns. And they cannot molest you in any way. Hell, scratch the water balloons. They catch you if they even see you from your frontside.
Would run around naked for money?

It's just sad. -_-' I would rather starve then have to rely on getting paid for a man to abuse me with pain or sexual actions. At least I'd still have my pride as a human being.

Humiliation and pride

Also, you didn't even mention how stuff like this affects the men in our society and the women they are around by defalt.

Yes... we're all going to be SO NAUGHTY after hearing about this. Thanks for letting me know about it. Now I can go masturbate while dreaming of defiling women in the most inhumane and humiliating ways possible.

Die Las Vegas! lol.

Heh. Not funny. Nice try, though.

[JMHX]

Well, you forget that, sometimes, the guy might not catch the woman. Heh.

[RydiaLockheart]

Shrike's right. Not every male is going to get the idea in their head to do either one of the aforementioned activities. Most people are intelligent and well-adjusted enough to tell right from wrong. The problem is, we need to keep these ideas out of the minds of the perverts. Yes, there are some sickos out there, but I highly doubt the situation will turn into the slippery slope that you describe.

Also, I took a look at the petition. The majority of the undersigned were males.

[JMHX]

At 7/19/03 12:51 AM, Rydia_Lockheart wrote: Shrike's right. Not every male is going to get the idea in their head to do either one of the aforementioned activities. Most people are intelligent and well-adjusted enough to tell right from wrong. The problem is, we need to keep these ideas out of the minds of the perverts. Yes, there are some sickos out there, but I highly doubt the situation will turn into the slippery slope that you describe.

Also, I took a look at the petition. The majority of the undersigned were males.

Very true -- I doubt I would engage in something like this, paying thousands to shoot an unarmed (and unclothed) woman, when I could spend $25, drive down the street, and get the satisfaction of shooting a well-guarded, well armed partner on my paintball team. There's no fun in attacking a target that doesn't have the capacity to hurt you just as much.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/18/03 10:45 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: well, they dont have to fondle you after you get shot, that just happened in the video, plus football players earn money off of ruining their bodies so in a way you could also call that prostitution just of a different sort.

They don't have to, but you're supposed to allow them.....and, of course, they will. That's a part of the deal. Also, prostitution is selling sexual favors to someone. This "sport" is selling yourself to someone sexually. Football isn't. That's what makes it prostitution.

anyway, i think that if men are sick and stupid, women might as well make some money off of it since they arents going to stop being sick and stupid.

So, sense women can't stop it they should "just go along" with being degraded, thereby making the situation worse?

Many men aren't ever going to stop beating women in our society, either. But does that mean we should go, "oh well, might as well just let it happen sense that's not going to change." Of course not.

Just because I can't stop some women from being prostitutes or some men from liking prostitutes, doesn't meant that "well, I might as well be one myself then and get the money out of it." I'd never get on my knees and let some pig-ass freak who I don't like to touch me or hurt me just so I can get some money out of it. I'm a human being.

I have self-esteem and the skills to get myself through college without using my body. I'm better than that. And so are most other women. I'd rather starve and use my head to live, than to give up my dignity and humanity just for cash. I'm not worth any amount of green paper. And it's terrible for any woman to think that.

but the danger does always arise of blurring fantasy with reality. i would rather get shot at and eat, personally... but i wont have to worry about that. i think selling ones body and selling ones soul are two different things, and that is less "bad" to sell one's body than to sell one's soul..

*sigh* In order to sell your body you have to give up your soul in the process.

What makes you live, what makes you a human being is taken away when you sell yourself and your dignity. To OK yourself to be treated like a less than human creature, and bend over for another human being who looks down on you and who you have no feelings for is selling your soul and your humanity. You're selling your affections to someone you don't like. You're not just selling your body, you're putting a price on your soul, your feelings, and your diginity and respect as a thinking human being.

If you've ever looked into some prostitute's eyes, you'd know what I'm talking about. As strange as it is, it's like they're dead inside. And I am really not kidding. It's sorta scary.

just a question.. why does literatue/pop culture portray selling one's body as worse than selling one's soul???

They're the same thing. How can you be human on the inside if you don't even think you're worth being treated that way yourself?

[TheShrike]

You know... all the talk of nakedness and shootin...

I feel like raping sumthin tonight!

YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAWWWW

[AbstractVagabond]

I'm unsure whether the second hunting story should be prohibited. Anything where both sexes consent to it I have a hard time illegalizing. Who's to say what's degrading to women when there are women who feel certain things aren't degrading? However, there is that part of me that just feel dirty about it. A part of me that wonders what kind of woman would agree to go through that. I could NEVER bring myself to treat a woman like that. I can't say I'll never treat a woman as beneath me since I know how my anger works. I hate that part of myself whenever it emerges.

As for the Upskirting, damn skippy that should be outlawed. Well, uh, isn't it already outlawed? Isn't there a law against invading people's privacy or has the media rights destroyed that notion? I don't know, but I find this to be far worse than that other "hunting" since the women involved are NOT consenting that. Call it virtual rape, if you will.

[TheShrike]

You know, I almost forgot about the upskirts thing while mocking you on the whole paintball issue.

I think invasive voyeurism is a bad thng, and these upskirt guys should be prosecuted.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/18/03 11:47 PM, TheShrike wrote:

At 7/18/03 10:34 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Having a man physically abuse you and then fondle you to his desire after he "catches you" is prostitution.

Selling sex is prostitution. Even the republicans who went after Bill Clinton wouldn't call this sex.

It's not just intercourse that's prostitution. For example, you can covict someone of prostitution if they sell oral sex, or even "spankings." @_o' Prostitution is defined as selling sexual favors for money. Not just "sex itself."

*sigh* Again shows you how our culture works. Now we have girls who think that one of the only ways they can pull themselves through school is to give up their dignity and sell their rights to their own bodies to men (in many ways) for the guys' sexual benefit.

Umm... you know, sometimes people like that. Sorry if that doesn't agree with you, but some women like to be sexual objects. And so do some men. You look at all of them as victims; slaves of the system. I think they're more liberated in heart and in spirit. Not to mention they have a hell of a lot more guts than you probably do. Let's say the guys who hunt you have water balloons instead of paintball guns. And they cannot molest you in any way. Hell, scratch the water balloons. They catch you if they even see you from your frontside.

*sigh* Contrary to what you may have heard, although many prostitutes sometimes claim to "love the life they live," that's rarely true.

My point was that women aren't born with enjoying being raped, molested, or physically abused for a man's sexual benefit. No one is. That's something that is often "drilled into their head."

Afterall, a lot of men like women who appear "loose," (just hormones, man) so, girls often think, well, if I'm not loose, then maybe a man won't like me as much. That's how culture brainwashing works. I had to study it in college. And it's true. A lot of girls these days grow up thinking that they're worthless or not as good in the eye of members of the opposite sex if they can't cook, be "sexy" or even "loose," clean the house, have big enough breasts, etc. etc. If they can't, then they fear being not as favorable or even worthless in the eyes of men.

And in the worst case senarios, a woman's need to be desired so much may make her go down a bad path. Like stripping, or Voyeur cams, porn, or "games" like this. Usually girls like this have low self-esteem, and feel desperate to make it up and become "desirable" to many men.

Just how it works, man. And until your a woman, you can't understand what's that like. In fact, it's true that many women don't even realize that they're being affected by culture brainwashing until it's pointed out to them. A lot of girls in my college class, for example, didn't realize it at all. And then noticed it pretty quickly once our teacher pointed it out.

Also, you're confusing guts with self-respect. Which is another commom myth. Like I said, the girls who feel pressured to be desired by men, even the piggy, sleezy men, have low self esteem. My body means too much to me to have some pervert I don't like get off on it. Blaaaah!! @_o' It's worth waaay more than that. At least to me. It's mine and I don't want any freak to touch it or get off on it without my permission.

Boy, no offense, but you seem to have a weird view of how most women think, yourself.

Would run around naked for money?

Absolutely not! Unless no pervert was around to see. I'd do it if I was with my boyfriend, or maybe gal friends who couldn't "get off" on it.

But, I wouldn' t have sex with someone I didn't like for a billion dollars. No joke. It's just not worth the damage it would do to my psyci. @_o' Eeegh.

Humiliation and pride

lol. Once again I don't think you understand how most women think. I value my body, but not because I think it's all hot or something. I value it because......well, it's mine, and I think it's special. You only get one, ya know. lol. It's the one thing I have that, as a human being, I get to decide what to do with (you know what I'm talking about). I just think it's worthy.

But I'd never be ashamed of my body. I just don't think it's that cheap. ^_^

Also, you didn't even mention how stuff like this affects the men in our society and the women they are around by defalt.

Yes... we're all going to be SO NAUGHTY after hearing about this. Thanks for letting me know about it. Now I can go masturbate while dreaming of defiling women in the most inhumane and humiliating ways possible.

........You do realize, of course, that I wasn't saying, "oh no, now all men will like to shoot women." lol. Jeez, calm down. I'm saying that the ones who enjoy this will get worse. And, even more, the ones who didn't enjoy it at first may start to become interested themselves.

"Games" like this prey upon a man's sense of sexuality and self-esteem. If one man feels he's not good enough or too much of a "loser" to get women, then he's likely to become attracked to situations where he feels like he's more in control of women (stalking, spying, hunting, etc) or situations that comfort him into thinking that women are "lower" than he is.

Again, college.

In fact, it's already been proven that porn itself propels violence towards women. And, to my knowledge, porn doesn't even involve that much violence. It just often gives men the idea that women are "sluts" or "low."

Now, I'm not saying that the average man thinks this or would be succeptable to this, which I what you seem to think I'm implying. I'm saying that there are a lot of men in our society that have self-esteem issues, background problems (or upbringing problems), or issues with women in general that make them suceptable to this sort of thing. I never said that all men are this way.

Die Las Vegas! lol.

Heh. Not funny. Nice try, though.

Depends on who you are.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/19/03 12:50 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Well, you forget that, sometimes, the guy might not catch the woman. Heh.

Well, it's hard to outrun a "bullet." Especially when you're not exactly camafloged. lol.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/19/03 01:33 AM, OSC wrote: I'm unsure whether the second hunting story should be prohibited. Anything where both sexes consent to it I have a hard time illegalizing. Who's to say what's degrading to women when there are women who feel certain things aren't degrading?

What about prostitution? Many women who do that claim that they don't find it degrading, but.......well, often that's not really the case. But, whatever. What do you think about it?

Also, I think the fact that there are women out there who supposedly don't find being beaten and molested for money degrading to be a problem. Actually, for the reasons I mentioned before, that may cause other women to feel pressured to do that. @_o'

[BWS]

The upskirt deal isnt something that should be legal, but the naked paintball game should. These girls do it by choice; they arent forced into doing this, they do it out of free will. Its supply and demand, and the government doesnt need to intrvein. The same shit happens in strip clubs, but people dont try and get those closed down. Its just that these girls are willing to do it, and people are willing to pay to do what they do. Who cares, if thats what they enjoy, let them do it; you dont have to if you dont want to so just ignore them. As for psychological externalities to society due to this issue...there is much more out there that does it. Should we ban billboards and commercials? Its marketing, and if someone is too ignorant to realize it then its their problem. Some guys are just always going to be ignorant like that, and its internal; you can remove everything that seems to contribute to it and they will stick be pervs. Of course, they arent born like that, and im sure youll say that these things are at fault for making them this way, but like I said before, its their fault for being ignorant and letting society dictate their views on these aspects. Women who choose to engage in this do it out of free will, and so be it...let them if they want to.

[JMHX]

At 7/19/03 01:47 AM, Ninja_Scientist wrote:

At 7/19/03 12:50 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Well, you forget that, sometimes, the guy might not catch the woman. Heh.

Well, it's hard to outrun a "bullet." Especially when you're not exactly camafloged. lol.

It's easy to outrun a bullet if the guy is a horrible shot.

[TheTio]

What the shit, voyeurism is disgusting, but privacy laws seem to be taking a long time to catch up with the ways of getting around them, and also, just because something is on the net it seems to take much longer to go thru the courts than it does if say he were selling voyeur tapes on the street corner

That real mans paintball is fuckin sad, what real man would enjoy shooting women then fondling them for money
No real man would get off on this shit, sad thing that this generation has so few real men in it anyway

Real mans paintball is wrong, about as wrong as prostitution, i definitely dont agree with it, but like prostitution theres not really much that can be done about it

Beh, in my country they have FINALLY put through a prostitution law reform which finally means that prostitutes can make union type things and actually stop working for appalling wages in an appalling job, where 99% of their earnings goes to some FUCK who doesnt do anything

Hmmm, didnt realise you were female till this topic ninja scientist, which is weird ive been here a few months and just never clicked

Im out

[JMHX]

Well, Nevada isn't known for outlawing the right of a man to have a good time, no matter how horribly disgusting and morally wrong that good time may be.

[Lyddiechu]

well, ninja, i think there is a big difference between us which prohibits any sort of agreement between us on this topic.. i believe in a seperation of body and mind, and you don't. its all just a matter of personal philosophy, so neither or us is right or wrong.

however, this is america, and i belive that if a woman wants to get shot at for money, well g-ddammit then she should be able to. but then again i am the kind of person who would undergo some (but only some!) medical testing for money.. or sell my blood or one of my kidneys if i really really had to. i wouldnt sell myself for sex tho because then that would ruin the experience for me. i am not a loose woman when it comes to sex, but at the same time i have no qualms selling off parts of my physical self. my body means very little to me. my sexuality means a lot more to me, which is why i would never sell my body for sex.

luckily i don't need the money and if i did i have skills that i could earn money from without selling off the non-sexual services of my body. however if i needed some quick cash and diddn't have time to go about getting a real job, i could see myself selling some blood or getting shot at with a paintball gun. i have a high pain tolerance due to multiple spinal surgeries, so its no big deal to me. even tho running with no sports bra would really fucking suck.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/19/03 12:38 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: well, ninja, i think there is a big difference between us which prohibits any sort of agreement between us on this topic.. i believe in a seperation of body and mind, and you don't. its all just a matter of personal philosophy, so neither or us is right or wrong.

Well, your idea of "seperation of body and mind" is peculiar when applied to cases like this. You're saying that women who are abused are capable of not letting it affect them. But I'm not sure what women you're talking about. Any women who is treated like crap, hurt, or sexually abused by men is going to have it affect her psyci, and how she views men. Whether she gets money out of it or not.

What about those who are non-consentual? Do wives who are beaten by their husbands or girls who are raped "have the ability to not let what happens to their body affect their mind?" And if they can't "seperate their body and mind," then would that make them partially at fault for feeling that way?

Even those prostitutes who let themselves get badly injured and fondled by men, who they know see them exactly like animals and expect them to act as animals, in this game. Do you really think that actually allowing yourself to succum to the physical abuse and sexual abuse of many strange men just for some cash can't hurt a woman's psyci or the way she views men just as long as she "seperates mind from body?" You just can't do that. No matter who you are, I think being hurt and molested by members of the opposite sex affects your mind and how you view yourself and them. There's no way it could not. And those who do it may have already had experiences that cause them to feel this way in the first places.

At least, that's my oppinion. If you get hurt, then that affects your mind, and if you allow yourself to get hurt for money, then that also affects your mind. No matter how much you believe in "seperation of body and mind." If you are a human and have human defensive reflexes and human feelings, you are going to have it affect your mind and the way you think whether you like it or not.
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Also, how is being paid for a guy fondle your naked body and hurt you for his sexual enjoyment not giving up any of your "sexuality?" @_o'

[karasz]

if both people are over the age of 18 and mentally fit, let them do what they want...

who cares... they choose to do it let them fucking do it...

[TheShrike]

At 7/19/03 02:57 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Also, how is being paid for a guy fondle your naked body and hurt you for his sexual enjoyment not giving up any of your "sexuality?" @_o'

Well, it isn't giving it away and demeaning yourself if you A) honestly don't care B) Actually like it.

[Slizor]

Do the websites say on any places to do this in England....for research purposes....

[Forcewinder]

What do u want me to do about it? Some girls might like it.

[Lyddiechu]

I am not saying that you are bad or weak if you cannot seperate body and mind, I am just saying that I believe it is possible. Of course it takes a very unusual person to be able to do that.

Also in the case of "Hunting for Bambi", the women are willingly doing this so it is much different than being raped or molested. It's consensual as opposed to forced.

You are assuming in your argument against "Hunting for Bambi" that all women would see themselves as degraded animals for doing such a thing. If I did it, I would see myself as smart for easily taking money from stupid, sick people. I wouldn't be mentally scarred since I put myself into the situation, there aren't men running after my naked self shooting me with a paintball gun against my will.

You probably think I am a hearltess mysoginist after reading my posts. However, please understand that I think rape and molestation are the most horrible things that could ever happen to a woman (or man for that matter) since it ruins what is supposed to be the most wonderful and enjoyable function of our human bodies... sex. It is the right of our senteint species to enjoy sex and our sexuality however we like it with another consenting person, even if that does include running after them shooting them with a paintball gun, which doesn't do it for me but I imagine some other women might really like it. War games are fun, but I would rather be clothed in camo to add the illusion of reality.