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Your all a bunch of fucking jackasses. If I have failed by atleast QUESTIONING my government, then you all have failed for not fully researching through all these so called debates on here.

At 9/19/07 09:01 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: Your all a bunch of fucking jackasses. If I have failed by atleast QUESTIONING my government, then you all have failed for not fully researching through all these so called debates on here.

Are you really that dumb? All you did was watch something on youtube!
And now you think your some expert on the subject! Please.

At 9/19/07 09:02 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 9/19/07 09:01 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: Your all a bunch of fucking jackasses. If I have failed by atleast QUESTIONING my government, then you all have failed for not fully researching through all these so called debates on here.

Are you really that dumb? All you did was watch something on youtube!
And now you think your some expert on the subject! Please.

I looked up the crap! I went to find evidence, I thought it was bullshit too! Most conspiricies are bullshit! But this one holds up, maybe if you got your hand off your fucking dick for maybe 4 or 5 hours and looked up the refrences that are made in the Youtube videos, then maybe you would have the backup to make a good case, but since you don't your points are null and void!

At 9/19/07 09:06 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: I looked up the crap! I went to find evidence, I thought it was bullshit too! Most conspiricies are bullshit! But this one holds up, maybe if you got your hand off your fucking dick for maybe 4 or 5 hours and looked up the refrences that are made in the Youtube videos, then maybe you would have the backup to make a good case, but since you don't your points are null and void!

You have yet to even make an argument besides, "The videos are correct!"
If you want to debate something than pull something from the videos for us to argue.
You wasted your time watching them, don't expect us to do the same.

At 9/19/07 07:49 PM, germansoldier555 wrote:

At 9/19/07 07:45 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: you fail german all those things have been debunked by popular mechanics

Popular mechanics........the American ego at its best. "Huh, they lied to us before, but they can't have done this!" Do you know how many eviedential holes are in the 9/11 commision report. Just watch the god damn videos people, put this page in your favorites, watch it, sleep on it, then type what your conclusion is on here tomorrow. It won't kill you to watch the videos.

Sounds like you're trying to weasle out of the fact that The myths have been debunked; Debunkers know the conspiracy theory arguments; the Holes in the pentagon, the yellow liquid.

You know... Revolutionaries lied to us before, but they can't have done this?

Yes, it's a big surprise, people have LIED about the government in order to upsurp power for themselfs! :o impossible. Now obviously it's unlikely The conspiracy theorists want to become the new dictators of america, but have you ever considered they're disgruntled at a government that isn't enacting the socialists policies to save us all?

Do you recall how the same conspiracy theorists who blame the government for terrorist attacks are the same people who want Christianity to be whiped from the face of the earth, but Call any sort of Genocide the muslims create 'petty criminals responding to the Tyranny of the United states'?

At 9/19/07 09:09 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 9/19/07 09:06 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: I looked up the crap! I went to find evidence, I thought it was bullshit too! Most conspiricies are bullshit! But this one holds up, maybe if you got your hand off your fucking dick for maybe 4 or 5 hours and looked up the refrences that are made in the Youtube videos, then maybe you would have the backup to make a good case, but since you don't your points are null and void!

You have yet to even make an argument besides, "The videos are correct!"
If you want to debate something than pull something from the videos for us to argue.
You wasted your time watching them, don't expect us to do the same.

I acutally have, you just are too lazy to look. If you look back at page 1 and look down, I show how Osama, Saddam and Al Queida would not benieft in anyway from the 9/11 attacks. Al Queida was a CIA funded militia meant to fight off the Soviet Invasion in the 1980's. After the withdrawl of Soviet troops, the CIA continued to fund them to us as agents AGAINST terrorist attacks. If they did really commit 9/11 then they would lose funding, they would Lose power in Afganistan and they wouldn't really gain any ground.
Osama bin Laden was living very comfertably after working with George Bush's Oil Company. He had lots of money and could move about freely. Infact, he even got a kidney transplant done in an American Hospital in Cairo, Eygpt. If he did have a part in the 9/11 attacks. He would not be able to have the protection of Al Queida, he wouldn't be able to move to different countries and as the situation got worse, he would be spending more and more of his money. So he dosen't benifit either. PLUS, he was a CIA trained operative with the code name Tim Osman.
Saddam Hussien was also living a comfertable life as the Dictator of Iraq. He was able to do what he wanted and all that good stuff. Soon, after the Coalition took Afgahistan, the Bushes started to point fingers at Saddam saying he had weapons of mass destruction, actually this was happening before 9/11. If he was part of it, He would have been toppled over, quickly making is living conditions to that of a hobo under a rock and would have ended up dead by hanging. He dosen't benifiet either, all three of these blamed sources for 9/11 would gain no ground in anything.

At 9/19/07 09:23 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

At 9/19/07 09:06 PM, germansoldier555 wrote:

At 9/19/07 09:02 PM, SuperDeagle wrote:

At 9/19/07 09:01 PM, germansoldier555 wrote:

maybe if you got your hand off your fucking dick for maybe 4 or 5 hours and looked up the refrences that are made in the Youtube videos, then maybe you would have the backup to make a good case, but since you don't your points are null and void!

yours are null and void PROTEAS LOCK THIS THREAD WHILE I MAKE ONE MORE INSULT locke the thread and ban this 15 year old idiot

Why can't you be banned? Just because I'm younger, right? I'm also a homo phobe, so I would commit suicide if I were gay. Freakin jackass.

Al Queida was created by the CIA to combat the Soviet invasion, even the History Channel shows this!

No... The history Channel, Wikpedia, my History Textbook, and my overall knowledge of history shows that Al Queda is a name given to various Insurgent islamics who had been given specifically, military support by the united states to combat the soviet invasion in Afganistan.

Can you explain why people under the name of Al Queda have been attacking countries and claiming to want to attack countries all over the world? Madrid, London, Africa? Would the united states Send insurgents to wage war on the entire world just to get some oil from one country? When it already has Oil in alaska?

At 9/19/07 07:45 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: Guys, what the hell!? Did you even watch ALL of the videos.

Dude, SUMMARIZE YOUR MAJOR POINTS.

I'm not going to take three hours out of my day to watch conspiracy theories without any indication as to what the content will be.

For the most part, from what I've seen, these videos tend to be full of bullshit by people who are extremely inept at handling even the most basic scientific concepts.

At 9/19/07 08:10 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: First, Osama Bin Laden...So he gets less than 0 out of 10.

<sarcasm>

yet he got heaven, money, respect and influence. i guess he really lost out.

After the conflict they contiued to be funded by the CIA as anti terrorist agents.

despite the fact that during a public adress in 1994 Osama clearly demonstrated his dislike of America? it still doesn't demonstrate that the CIA knew those funds were going to support an attack on America.
after the attacks its members would receive many of the same benefits as Osama. clearly 0 out of 10.

Saddam Hussien

had nothing to do with 9/11; irrelevant.

So out of all three blamed parties, none of them get any such benieft from the attack.

no i guess not.

</sarcasm>

I stopped watching after the first tape latched off a lie in the first 10 seconds; the whole "ONLY 3 STEEL FRAMED BUILDINGS HAVE EVAR CALLAPSED BECUZ OF FIRE!!!" shit.

At 9/19/07 08:49 PM, germansoldier555 wrote:

At 9/19/07 08:45 PM, JudgeDredd wrote:

At 9/19/07 08:29 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: There was actually a video the day after 9/11 that was only aired once in Saudi Arabia where Osama bin Laden is quoted saying "I nor Al Queida had anything to do with 9/11."

It was only shown once on a Saudi News Channel, it was quickly pulled then burned after it was shown. The cause and the men who commited the burning of the tape, remain today in the unknown section of people.

Conspiracy: On 9-12-2001 (the day after the biggest terror event in human history) not 1 person was able to record TV news in Saudi Arabia (one of the richest arab nations) and subsequently not even 1 copy of this broadcast of Osama Bin Laden denying responsibility for 9-11 has resurfaced publicly in the past 6 years.

I'm sorry, but that's a pretty tall story right there.

At 9/19/07 10:46 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote:

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Lol. And did you bother to look at our stuff?

Also:

www.lolinfowars.co.nr
www.debunking911.com
www.911myths.com

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Myths -Conspiracy-Theories/dp/158816635X/ref=p d_bbs_1/104-7442050-1747954?ie=UTF8&s=bo oks&qid=1190256221&sr=8-1

About time someone gave those links. I forgotem. Now, my son, look at OUR SIDE with an "unbiased view".

Conspiracy: On 9-12-2001 (the day after the biggest terror event in human history) not 1 person was able to record TV news in Saudi Arabia (one of the richest arab nations) and subsequently not even 1 copy of this broadcast of Osama Bin Laden denying responsibility for 9-11 has resurfaced publicly in the past 6 years.

I'm sorry, but that's a pretty tall story right there.

What the hell are you talking about, of course they would still be running the TV news. They hate us, they are only freindly because they saw what we did to Al Quieda and the Taliban.

At 9/19/07 09:20 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: Osama Bin Laden and the CIA

Hey folks, remember my little jenga comparison with regards to 9/11 conspiracy theories?

If it's true that bin Laden once worked for the CIA, what makes you so sure that he isn't still?
Anne Busigin, Toronto, Canada

BERGEN: This is one of those things where you cannot put it out of its misery.

The story about bin Laden and the CIA -- that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden -- is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.

The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.

At 9/20/07 08:50 PM, Xtesh wrote:

At 9/19/07 08:17 PM, Memorize wrote: Except that... you know, Osama said "yes, we are responsible for it".

Kind of hard for any conspiracy theory to stand against that.
Going on international television(via a VHS tape) and saying you just killed hundreds of people kind of shows who to blame.

conveniently everybody seems to have omitted from memory WHY he done it.

At 9/20/07 08:50 PM, Xtesh wrote:

At 9/19/07 08:17 PM, Memorize wrote: Except that... you know, Osama said "yes, we are responsible for it".

Kind of hard for any conspiracy theory to stand against that.
Going on international television(via a VHS tape) and saying you just killed hundreds of people kind of shows who to blame.

Don't be such a FOOL! That was his evil twin! You can clearly tell from noticing that he has a goatee beneath the thick beard, on that tape.

I'll give the topic starter this.
He is stupid, but hes not as stupid as the guy who was claiming the towers were 'dustified' by a laser beam from space.

At 9/19/07 07:45 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: ... don't you think its quite possible that they did do this?

No...not even in a world where Santa Claus and the tooth fairy exists.

At 9/19/07 09:01 PM, germansoldier555 wrote: ... If I have failed by atleast QUESTIONING my government,..

Questioning is fine, however surrendering your logic to a demagogue is not...

Just look at those fine folks at Loose Change continuously have to put out new versions because they keep finding that their position and argument is flawed...

Finally: "Follow the man who seeks truth, but beware the man who has found it."

At 9/19/07 09:27 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Al Queida was created by the CIA to combat the Soviet invasion, even the History Channel shows this!

No... The history Channel, Wikpedia, my History Textbook, and my overall knowledge of history shows that Al Queda is a name given to various Insurgent islamics who had been given specifically, military support by the united states to combat the soviet invasion in Afganistan.

Can you explain why people under the name of Al Queda have been attacking countries and claiming to want to attack countries all over the world? Madrid, London, Africa? Would the united states Send insurgents to wage war on the entire world just to get some oil from one country? When it already has Oil in alaska?

Al Qaida was not created by the CIA to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. What happened was this:

1) The CIA provided funds to the Pakistani government's ISA (their CIA) to arm the Mujahideen (aka: the freedom fighters). Some of this money was funneled into camps that were training militant Islamic insurgents for Pakistan's conflict with India over Kashmir. This was done outside the purview of the CIA's knowledge because the Pakistani government did not want us to know they were using our funds against India in camps that were led by anti-American fundamentalists. Thus when the CIA sent agents into the field to evaluate the effectiveness of the program they were shown "sterilizied" camps where the Mujahideen were pro-American. The anti-American camps eventually gave birth to the Taliban movement.

2) After the Soviets left Afghanistan so did American concern and money and so did the flow of Chinese, Israeli and Egyptian arms (about the only direct military aid we gave them were Stinger anti-aircraft missiles). Thus in the early 1990s the Taliban was able to consolidate power in 95% of the country.

3) Al Qaida arose in 1992 when Usama bin-Laden proposed to the Saudi royal family that the kingdom did not need US protection from invasion by Saddam Hussien. That he could use techniques that he had learned in Afghanistan against the Soviets to defend the Holy Kingdom. However, the House of al-Saud decided not to take the chance and called in the US. This pissed off UBL who slunk off to the Sudan and began expanding the small network that came to become known as al Qaida. NOTE: There is no evidence that anyone at the CIA even knew bin-Laden's name in connection to Afghanistan. Furthermore, it is believed that his exploits in Afghanistan have been largely exagerated. It appears that he was no more than a source of income for the anti-Soviet forces, and acted as recruiter/travel agent for rich Arabs to visit the country in "Jihad Day Camps" fire a few rounds out of an AK-47 into the night and then go home.

3) UBL wore out his welcome in the Sudan as he planned attacks against the US in New York, Somalia and in various countries around the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa. These attacks increased tension with the US and led to the US cruise missile attacks in 1998. UBL was kicked out of the Sudan and found a home in Afghanistan with the Taliban.

So in conclusion, al Qaida was only one of several faction to come out of the US policy in Afghanistan during the 1980s. The Taliban and Northern Alliance (pro-US) being the other two big ones. However, the term you are looking for is "Mujahideen".

At 9/19/07 07:57 PM, germansoldier555 wrote:

Dude, I just wanted a SENSIBLE argument. Not all conspiracies are bullshit.

You're about 5 years too late for the SENSIBLE argument. We're all bored of this shit, I seriously don't even care if the government did do it anymore.

One of the places where conspiracy theories fall apart for me is that everyone who I personally know who believes in them also believe that Bush is a retarded monkey and his administration is the most incompetent in recent memory.

And yet: within 9 months of winning the White House his administration is able to pull of an atrocity requiring the upmost skill and intelligence.

Anyone else notice this disconnect?

Anyone else notice this disconnect?

Yeah, I usually phrase it as "how can Bush be an idiot and pull off the greatest cover-up and intricate operation conceived by man?"

The Theorists (I'm givin em a title, cause they're just so damned persistent) usually counter by saying Bush had a relatively small part in the 9/11 conspiracy, and that others in the White House (such as Cheney and Rove) were the true masterminds.

And when you point out flaws with this one The Theorists just dig deeper.

One of the parts where it falls apart for me is when the theory is redefined and altered based on refutations to the original conspiracy theory. They start with something relatively simple, Bush caused it, and when that gets shot down, redefine; Bush's administration caused it. When that gets shot down; Select members in the administration with select members in the military caused it.

And so forth, until we find that this plan literally had well over 1000 people in on it, from top white house officials and the military to select Patriots to give false witness testimony, to news organizations in conjunction with the govt to facilitate the coverup, to outside actors such as Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Napoleon, Charles Martel, Pope John Paul II, and Emperor Romulus Augustulus.....

The reason I haven't bothered posting on this thread is simply due to it being one of the stupidest on 9/11 conspiracies I've yet to see.....I'm actually kinda surprised it didn't get locked, but hey, at least it's a little entertaining.....

At 9/23/07 04:34 PM, Imperator wrote: one of the stupidest on 9/11 conspiracies I've yet to see....

Even stupider than the laser, dustification one?

Except that... you know, Osama said "yes, we are responsible for it".

Read the links I gave.

Boosh! Couldent have said it any better myself. You sir, deserve a cookie.

I could not give the OP a sensible argument, because his brain has probably deteriorated to the point that would not even budged.

that, and i threw up at his stupid arguments a lot

GODDAMMIT!

9-11 WAS DONE BY 19 TERRORISTS ARMED WITH NOTHING BUT BOX CUTTERS WHO DESPITE BEING GREATLY OUTNUMBERED AND OUTMATCHED BY THE OTHER PASSENGERS WERE STILL ABLE TO HAVE HIJACKED FOUR AIRPLANES AND CRASH THEM INTO THE WTC, THE PENTAGON, AND A SHRUB IN PENNSYLVANIA THUS KILLING 3000 PEOPLE!

END OF FUCKING STORY!

The events of 9/11 had very little to do with starting the Iraq war. The REAL reason why the US invaded Iraq was because Dick Cheney wanted a stronger US presence there. There is absolutely no other reason, and anyone who denies it is just kidding themselves.

The Cheney-Rumsfeld thinktank deviced the war and have deviced a plan to force the democrats to keep military bases there. I will post more on this tomorrow when I have the time. So please, I urge you to consider your vote in the coming primaries. Please Vote for ANY candidate, democrat or republican, who favors the IMMEDIATE withdrawal of ALL US troops from the region. All of them. It's the only reasonable thing to do.

For those of you that might consider bashing me, please wait until tomorrow. I will open up a post on this.