SUVs

[Ninja-Scientist]

Heh heh. I could talk forever here about how I feel about SUVs and what I've learned about them. But pretty much all of that is summed up on this site. ^_^ So, I'll just post the links here.

Also, if anyone is interested. At the bottom of each page, they offer all their sources, so you can look up more about SUVs on your own time. ^_^

Please, please, read the information on this site. It is astounding how sleezy the SUV companies are and how bad SUVs are (in quality, etc. etc.). It's very interesting stuff, so again, I suggest you read it. ^_^

ttp://www.suv.org/economic.html
http://www.suv.org/environ.html
http://www.suv.org/safety.html

[Ninja-Scientist]

Ooops. Here. I had a broken link:

http://www.suv.org/economic.html

There ya go. ^_^

[BWS]

At 7/11/03 02:51 AM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Heh heh. I could talk forever here about how I feel about SUVs and what I've learned about them. But pretty much all of that is summed up on this site. ^_^ So, I'll just post the links here.

Also, if anyone is interested. At the bottom of each page, they offer all their sources, so you can look up more about SUVs on your own time. ^_^

Please, please, read the information on this site. It is astounding how sleezy the SUV companies are and how bad SUVs are (in quality, etc. etc.). It's very interesting stuff, so again, I suggest you read it. ^_^

ttp://www.suv.org/economic.html
http://www.suv.org/environ.html
http://www.suv.org/safety.html

Without reading it I can tell you one thing that leads to inefficiency when they are built. Here, if it weighs more than 6500lbs you can deduct a large amount of it on your taxes if you own a business. The companies know this and so they have a target market for some of them. This leads to them being much harded on gas than they should or could be. Buuuuut, I want a Lexus GX SUV, so Im a hypocrite.

[Ninja-Scientist]

That's not even half of it. Some SUVs are so big, that they no longer classify as any type of car, and so are not forced to pay ANY type of tax (nor are they forced to regulate how much fuel they use, how much smog and toxins they produce, how safe they have to be, etc. etc.). That's why SUVs just keep getting bigger and bigger.

In fact, it is estimated that the SUV companies created a 1.1 billion dollar tax debt from their cars. And sense they aren't forced to pay the tax (many SUVs not being classifed as any type of car yet), they just gave the "bill" to the average American citizen. So, we ALL have to make up a 1.1 billion dollar tax dept just so some big car tycoons can get bigger swimming pools.

[BWS]

At 7/11/03 03:06 AM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: That's not even half of it. Some SUVs are so big, that they no longer classify as any type of car, and so are not forced to pay ANY type of tax (nor are they forced to regulate how much fuel they use, how much smog and toxins they produce, how safe they have to be, etc. etc.). That's why SUVs just keep getting bigger and bigger.

In fact, it is estimated that the SUV companies created a 1.1 billion dollar tax debt from their cars. And sense they aren't forced to pay the tax (many SUVs not being classifed as any type of car yet), they just gave the "bill" to the average American citizen. So, we ALL have to make up a 1.1 billion dollar tax dept just so some big car tycoons can get bigger swimming pools.

Well, you're kinda right, but not totally. Trust me, I know, my major is accounting and Im going to get a econ minor. But yup, some of them are just too damn big.

[Ninja-Scientist]

Well, if your still interested in the tax loop-holes and other loop-holes being frequented by the SUV companies now, I suggest you check out some of the sources they've listed on the bottom of the site (there are a LOT, so you can afford to be choosy). ^_^

[BWS]

At 7/11/03 03:20 AM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Well, if your still interested in the tax loop-holes and other loop-holes being frequented by the SUV companies now, I suggest you check out some of the sources they've listed on the bottom of the site (there are a LOT, so you can afford to be choosy). ^_^

Thanks, I think I will. Right now = sleepy sleep!

[Lyddiechu]

i think in order to combat the suv problem we should all get free mini coopers... we could turn in the suvs, melt them down, and turn over the metal to the lovely lovely engineers at bmw.. hehee sweeet

[FUNKbrs]

Well, I hate SUVs, so, without checking any sources, let me tell you what I know about SUV's....

In the begining, there were cars. All cars were fairly large, and could seat up to 5. Then, the station wagon was invented. It seated 9 with convertible seat/slash storage area where 4 children could comfortably sit. During the baby boom of the 50's and 60's, these huge cars became a standard among the modern family. However, they got HORRIBLE gas mileage. Legislaters decided in the 80's that they had had enough of the pollution from these gas guzzlers, and passed a laws about the fuel efficiency limitations for cars, which was the classification for the station wagon.

Enter the Mini-van. The minivan was technically a van, thus making it an industrial vehicle, and not limiting itself to the fuel efficiency standards of highly regulated cars. However, minivans were for "soccer mom's". They sold well, but only in the family market. Big business decided to go one step farther...

The SUV. Basically a minivan/truck, the suv is a family mobile with balls. Just as the minivan used more gas than a station wagon, the SUV uses more gas than a minivan because of it's heavy duty truck chasis. So end the end the regulations backfired, causing people to, instead of packing their cars tighter with their families, buy much larger vehicles to escape the regulations.

This the reason why vehicle regulation is not the answer to air pollution. The answer is better available public transportation, such as subway systems and rail systems. Laws are the tools of the lazy, a dedicated individual will always find a way to achieve their goals, because in the end, the possibilities for achievement in this world are limitless.

[mrpopenfresh]

What really pisses me off is people drivng their suvs around in crowded traffic in the middle of a big city. I didn't think that some people were stupid enough to purchase an incredibly expensive giant suv gas guzzler for city driving. Idiots! Most of the people who buy suv buy them for the prestige, Not everyone can afoord a behemoth like that, let alone pay for the gas! Whens the last time you saw someone with an suv that actually uses it for off road? Prsonnally, I have never seen someone use it for off road. I think the best argument possible for owning an suv is for hauling bis loads. If someone owns a boat and has to drive it everywhere then I understand, but if not, the person is just plain retarded. Can't wait 'till hydrogen cars become mainstream!

[dudeitsallama]

About the safety of SUVs...
I once heard someone compare them to weapons of mass destruction. The logic was that one person buys an SUV to improve their chances of survival in a car accident. It's fine for them, but the person they hit who's driving a Toyota Corolla gets flattened along with their car. To prevent this from happening, the person with the Corolla goes out and buys an SUV too. Before you know it, everyone is forced to buy SUVs as a defensive measure. This is the same reason that every nation has weapons of mass destruction, hence the comparison.

[BWS]

What the loop hole is:
You can depricate and write off a LARGE amount of it if you own a business, and it exceeds 6500lbs. They fall into this catagory on purpose. The reason it is that way is so a "work vehicle" is within a cartain parameter weight. They classify them this way, and these SUV's fall into the catagory as a type of externailty.

People who drive Hummers primarily on the street are retards.

[JMHX]

At 7/11/03 09:45 AM, Lyddiechu wrote: i think in order to combat the suv problem we should all get free mini coopers... we could turn in the suvs, melt them down, and turn over the metal to the lovely lovely engineers at bmw.. hehee sweeet

I could handle a free Mini Cooper.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/11/03 08:12 PM, dudeitsallama wrote: About the safety of SUVs...
I once heard someone compare them to weapons of mass destruction. The logic was that one person buys an SUV to improve their chances of survival in a car accident. It's fine for them, but the person they hit who's driving a Toyota Corolla gets flattened along with their car. To prevent this from happening, the person with the Corolla goes out and buys an SUV too. Before you know it, everyone is forced to buy SUVs as a defensive measure. This is the same reason that every nation has weapons of mass destruction, hence the comparison.

lol. That's true. So many people are avoiding getting small cars now because they fear all the big ones on the road. However, the ironic thing is that you are MORE likely to die in an SUV than a small car. Mostly due to rollovers. In fact, in a normal car, in order to roll over you actually have to hit something, ya know? But an SUV rolls over if it just turns too hard. @_o' Also, to make things worse, when they turned the SUV into a family car, they took out ALL the protective metal (because there wasn't the same regulations on them as on normal cars due to more loop-holes). So, whenever they do roll over, the roofs litteraly cave completely in. @_o'

Also, in spite of their rugged image. Because the majority of the protective metal was taken out of them, when ever they do in the most minor of accidents, it costs 3 times as much to fix. If you check out that site, it shows how they did crash tests of SUVs at 5 miles per hour. The bumpers needed up to 6,000 dollars to fix, because they were basically made out of tin. @_o' No joke.

So much for the "rough and tough" SUV image. lol.

[JMHX]

That reminds me of a skit from Saturday Night Live about the Firestone tires on Ford SUVs.

"Ford's first priority is making a quality product for everyone. It's second priority, however, is making the wheels explode on your SUV."

[Ninja-Scientist]

I just saw on the news recently that some famous rapper or basketball player or something hit and killed someone because he was driving a Hummer.....and talking on a cell phone. @_o' Need I say more?

You know the funniest thing about SUV commercials is that they always show people driving around Antartica @_o' (I wonder how many people drive around there) or Yellow Stone or something. However, apparently only 3% of SUV owners ever take their cars off road. Heh heh. So, if you look out in a parking lot someday, where people really live, instead of seeing an SUV surrounded by many big beautiful trees, you see one little tree surrounded by dozens of big ugly SUVs. lol.

My favorite quote: *while loading a Christmas tree into a man's car* "And careful with that. I didn't buy a brand new off-road SUV just to have it scratched by a tree."

Just recently, my mom and I parked in this parking lot, and towards the front, we saw this one SUV with a big tire upgrade. @_o' It was litteraly crushing a small tree in front of it. lol. Actually, it was really sad. The poor little tree was bent in half. >_<' The stupid driver's car must have been so tall and big that he neither saw the tree or noticed when he hit it. It just goes to show you how dangerous these things are in parking lots. Especially to small children. I also hate them in parking lots, cause when they're waiting for a parking space, they're sometimes so big, that you have to sit there and wait with them just to get by, cause you can't fit. @_o'

[JMHX]

Speaking of Hummers and Humvees...they seem to be very non-reliable. Look at all of the military deaths in Iraq relating to them. The editor of the Atlantic Monthly was killed when his flipped and slid down a cliff. Now, I'm from the capitol of Hummer production, so it's a sin to say this...but they're TRASH.

[JMHX]

I can't tell if I've just been mocked or not...

[TheShrike]

At 7/12/03 07:54 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I can't tell if I've just been mocked or not...

Knowing is half the battle, Judge.

[DrxFeelgood]

I'm gonna lay this down right now. GM, Chevy was the pioneer of ORV's and trucks, not what you and everyone else calls "SUV's"! The term "SUV" is the product of a stupid fad that is happening right now. Now that Ford and everyone else has gotten into the race, they screwed it up for everyone, thus ruining the original bad boy, and making them look bad. The Blazer and Suburban came about in the 30's. These vehicle were used for off roading and working! unlike today, where everyone abuses the right to own and use an "SUV". It pisses me off. And I always hear people ripping on "SUV's", which is fine, but it is directed to the wrong people, like at GM. It should be taken out on the Fords, and everyone else. I have an 86 Chevy K-10. I use it to off road and to work. And nothing else!!! Now, you have other people doing the same thing, but abusing it's right for what it is intended for. That's what pisses me off. In 1989, Ford just had to come up with a little virus we now call the Explorer, which fucked everthing up. And now look at all the shit it has caused. Yuppies buying them left and right, when they don't need them.

[Commander-K25]

The ultra-large SUVs are somewhat ludicrous, but I hardly see much of them anymore. Ford stopped making their super-large, 11-seat SUV.

Yes, I drive an SUV, but's a fairly small one. I like it because I can haul a fair amount of stuff, seat several people and be high off the ground for good visibility. They're great vehicles in terms of functionality.

Also, Bakshi, the BMP-2 owns.

[DrxFeelgood]

At 7/13/03 01:35 AM, Commander-K25 wrote: The ultra-large SUVs are somewhat ludicrous, but I hardly see much of them anymore. Ford stopped making their super-large, 11-seat SUV.

I know. This guy who lives near me lives be himself, he's single and is like 35 years old, no wife, no gf, no kids. He drives an Excursion. It's retarded. Yeah, Explorers, Expeditions, Excursions, Navigators, Mountaneers, Aviators, etc. are just too much for someone, and don't need to be around.

[AbstractVagabond]

All I ask for is a truck with good gas milage. A tough thing to ask for, I know, but dammit, they have to exist. What? Good gas milage vehicles are only reserved for cars that are difficult for me to get into if I can get into them at all? For the record, I cannot fit into a compact car. It's too small for me. Not to mention I keep worrying I'll break my neck getting my head through a door of one of them.

I love the idea of SUVs, hate the gas milage. Is there some company law that prohibits SUVs from being able to allow more than 15 MPG? As far as the safety thing goes, that's all depending on the driver. I will not blame it on the SUV. Stupid to blame anything on a vehicle. I won't get one because of the gas milage thing. I won't get a car for they are too small. That leaves trucks.

My only problem with trucks (other than finding one with good gas milage) is passenger seating. Can't really fit many people in one of them. However, I mostly drive alone or with one passenger anyways, so it's not a major problem.

Public transportation? Hate it with a passion. Ain't nothing like trying to get to work in 2 hours when the schedule works out to 3 hours to get there without possible error. To explain this, I'm putting case in point of my last job when I was living in San Jose. You ask why don't I leave earlier? I answer: When your job starts at 7AM and the first bus of the day don't arrive until 5AM... Also, I'm not gonna wake up at 2AM just to appease environmentalists. Fuck them and the environment as far as that goes. I drive to work and wake up at 6AM, leave at 6:20 and get there at 6:45. 3 hours vs 25 minutes. Wake me when public transportation becomes a logical alternative.

Not that any of it matters now anyways. I've moved since then to where public transportation is scarce if even existant.

BTW, I am curious on opinion regarding hybrid vehicles (and hoping it's good and that they exist for trucks -- A good truck getting 50MPG, it can happen).

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/13/03 03:49 AM, OSC wrote: All I ask for is a truck with good gas milage. A tough thing to ask for, I know, but dammit, they have to exist. What? Good gas milage vehicles are only reserved for cars that are difficult for me to get into if I can get into them at all? For the record, I cannot fit into a compact car. It's too small for me. Not to mention I keep worrying I'll break my neck getting my head through a door of one of them.

A) A large car just can't get good gas mileage because it takes more energy for the big oafs to get moving. So, no, they can't exists. Although they could have at least much better gas mileage than they do now.

B) If you can't fit into a van, then you have a problem. @_o' SUVs aren't the only big car out there.

I love the idea of SUVs, hate the gas milage. Is there some company law that prohibits SUVs from being able to allow more than 15 MPG? As far as the safety thing goes, that's all depending on the driver. I will not blame it on the SUV. Stupid to blame anything on a vehicle. I won't get one because of the gas milage thing. I won't get a car for they are too small. That leaves trucks.

Actually, it has nothing to do with the driver. If there is just a sharper than normal turn in the road, your SUV has a 62% change of rolling over and killing you. @_o' This just can't happen in a small car.

Or, if some other driver cuts in front of you some day (which has happend to all of us, I'm sure), and you have to turn to avoid him, once again, your SUV has more than a 50% chance of doing a rollover. Also, because of restriction loop-holes, they took out ALL the protective metal in SUVs. A Volkswagen Bug probably has more metal in it than the majority of SUVs these day do. ^_- No joke.

In fact, in ALL SUVs, all the metal was taken out of the tops of them, so when they do rollovers, the roofs cave in like tin. So much for the "tough SUV" image. Thousands have died in SUV rollovers, which they had nothing to do with, and which wouldn't have happened if they were in any other large vehicle. Most of them died because the roofs caved in, too. Not a good way to go. >_< And again, this doesn't happen in vans or other cars.

If you were in any other car, (again such as a van or truck), you actually have to hit something in the road in order for the car to flip on it's side or on it's roof. However, in an SUV you don't have to hit anything in order for the car to rollover. All you have to do is steer slightly too hard and it'll flip. @_o' So, it's even more stupid to blame that on the driver.

In fact, if you actually bothered to visit the site, then you would see that over 2,000 people today died simply because they were hit by SUVs. If they were hit by ANY other large car, such as a truck or van, they wouldn't have died. It's because of the bizarre build of the SUV that makes them so particularly dangerous. The ironic thing about this is that, in crash tests with SUVs and small cars, while the small cars were horribly crushed in the accidents, the SUVs often rolled over afterwards, and then were crushed themselves. So, so much for the "it's safer to drive an SUV around other SUVs, than a small car" image. lol. ^_-

All in all, they rollover over with next to no provocation and they have an enourmous percentage of deaths in these inccidents, since next to all the protective metal was taken out of them. So, yes, I'm going to blame it on the make of the car. After all, most accidents are called "accidents" for a reason.

My only problem with trucks (other than finding one with good gas milage) is passenger seating. Can't really fit many people in one of them. However, I mostly drive alone or with one passenger anyways, so it's not a major problem.

Maybe you're problem is that instead of fearing not "looking cool," you should just get something that is more reliable and efficient for your type of life style. Like a van. Pride comes before the fall. Or in this case, the rollover. ^_-

Public transportation? Hate it with a passion. Ain't nothing like trying to get to work in 2 hours when the schedule works out to 3 hours to get there without possible error. To explain this, I'm putting case in point of my last job when I was living in San Jose. You ask why don't I leave earlier? I answer: When your job starts at 7AM and the first bus of the day don't arrive until 5AM... Also, I'm not gonna wake up at 2AM just to appease environmentalists. Fuck them and the environment as far as that goes. I drive to work and wake up at 6AM, leave at 6:20 and get there at 6:45. 3 hours vs 25 minutes. Wake me when public transportation becomes a logical alternative.

Um. This is against SUVs. Not cars in general. Where did this big thing about public transportation come from? We didn't even discuss that. There are vehicles other than SUVs, you know. ^_- I'm sure you could find at least one that works before you have to resort to public transportation. lol.

Not that any of it matters now anyways. I've moved since then to where public transportation is scarce if even existant.

BTW, I am curious on opinion regarding hybrid vehicles (and hoping it's good and that they exist for trucks -- A good truck getting 50MPG, it can happen).

As much energy as it makes a small car to move efficiently, it will be triple that for a big lunker like an SUV. While it would be better for the environment, which you don't care about, it wouldn't be very fun for the SUV owner, considering that you'd have to recharge it every hour just to keep a car of that build moving at a good speed.

All in all, it just seems that you have an unrealistic idea of the vehicle market. SUVs are pure crap in how their made. Their bumpers are literally made of tin, for example. At crash tests at 5 miles per hour, they caved in completely and needed up to $6,000 just to fix the crappy bumpers. This means that if someone bumps into your car in a parking lot and then ditches you (which I've witnessed happen a dozen of times. @_o'). You're left with paying four times as much money than you would with a van or smaller car. And, they're three times as dangerous to a perfectly average driver. So, so much for your "it's the drivers fault" image.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/13/03 03:49 AM, OSC wrote: All I ask for is a truck with good gas milage. A tough thing to ask for, I know, but dammit, they have to exist. What? Good gas milage vehicles are only reserved for cars that are difficult for me to get into if I can get into them at all? For the record, I cannot fit into a compact car. It's too small for me. Not to mention I keep worrying I'll break my neck getting my head through a door of one of them.

A) A large car just can't get good gas mileage because it takes more energy for the big oafs to get moving. So, no, they can't exists. Although they could have at least much better gas mileage than they do now.

B) If you can't fit into a van, then you have a problem. @_o' SUVs aren't the only big car out there. Also, if you really are that big a guy, I'm sure it would take more than a bump on the head to break you're neck. My Dad's 6'5 with a big build, and he can fit into a Volvo comfortably. ^_-

I love the idea of SUVs, hate the gas milage. Is there some company law that prohibits SUVs from being able to allow more than 15 MPG? As far as the safety thing goes, that's all depending on the driver. I will not blame it on the SUV. Stupid to blame anything on a vehicle. I won't get one because of the gas milage thing. I won't get a car for they are too small. That leaves trucks.

Actually, it has nothing to do with the driver. If there is just a sharper than normal turn in the road, your SUV has a 62% change of rolling over and killing you. @_o' This just can't happen in a small car.

Or, if some other driver cuts in front of you some day (which has happend to all of us, I'm sure), and you have to turn to avoid him, once again, your SUV has more than a 50% chance of doing a rollover. Also, because of restriction loop-holes, they took out ALL the protective metal in SUVs. A Volkswagen Bug probably has more metal in it than the majority of SUVs these day do. ^_- No joke.

In fact, in ALL SUVs, all the metal was taken out of the tops of them, so when they do rollovers, the roofs cave in like tin. So much for the "tough SUV" image. Thousands have died in SUV rollovers, which they had nothing to do with, and which wouldn't have happened if they were in any other large vehicle. Most of them died because the roofs caved in, too. Not a good way to go. >_< And again, this doesn't happen in vans or other cars.

If you were in any other car, (again such as a van or truck), you actually have to hit something in the road in order for the car to flip on it's side or on it's roof. However, in an SUV you don't have to hit anything in order for the car to rollover. All you have to do is steer slightly too hard and it'll flip. @_o' So, it's even more stupid to blame that on the driver.

In fact, if you actually bothered to visit the site, then you would see that over 2,000 people today died simply because they were hit by SUVs. If they were hit by ANY other large car, such as a truck or van, they wouldn't have died. It's because of the bizarre build of the SUV that makes them so particularly dangerous. The ironic thing about this is that, in crash tests with SUVs and small cars, while the small cars were horribly crushed in the accidents, the SUVs often rolled over afterwards, and then were crushed themselves. So, so much for the "it's safer to drive an SUV around other SUVs, than a small car" image. lol. ^_-

All in all, they rollover over with next to no provocation and they have an enourmous percentage of deaths in these inccidents, since next to all the protective metal was taken out of them. So, yes, I'm going to blame it on the make of the car. After all, most accidents are called "accidents" for a reason.

My only problem with trucks (other than finding one with good gas milage) is passenger seating. Can't really fit many people in one of them. However, I mostly drive alone or with one passenger anyways, so it's not a major problem.

Maybe you're problem is that instead of fearing not "looking cool," you should just get something that is more reliable and efficient for your type of life style. Like a van. Pride comes before the fall. Or in this case, the rollover. ^_-

Public transportation? Hate it with a passion. Ain't nothing like trying to get to work in 2 hours when the schedule works out to 3 hours to get there without possible error. To explain this, I'm putting case in point of my last job when I was living in San Jose. You ask why don't I leave earlier? I answer: When your job starts at 7AM and the first bus of the day don't arrive until 5AM... Also, I'm not gonna wake up at 2AM just to appease environmentalists. Fuck them and the environment as far as that goes. I drive to work and wake up at 6AM, leave at 6:20 and get there at 6:45. 3 hours vs 25 minutes. Wake me when public transportation becomes a logical alternative.

Um. This is against SUVs. Not cars in general. Where did this big thing about public transportation come from? We didn't even discuss that. There are vehicles other than SUVs, you know. ^_- I'm sure you could find at least one that works before you have to resort to public transportation. lol.

Not that any of it matters now anyways. I've moved since then to where public transportation is scarce if even existant.

BTW, I am curious on opinion regarding hybrid vehicles (and hoping it's good and that they exist for trucks -- A good truck getting 50MPG, it can happen).

As much energy as it makes a small car to move efficiently, it will be triple that for a big lunker like an SUV. While it would be better for the environment, which you don't care about, it wouldn't be very fun for the SUV owner, considering that you'd have to recharge it every hour just to keep a car of that build moving at a good speed.

All in all, it just seems that you have an unrealistic idea of the vehicle market. SUVs are pure crap in how their made. Their bumpers are literally made of tin, for example. At crash tests at 5 miles per hour, they caved in completely and needed up to $6,000 just to fix the crappy bumpers. This means that if someone bumps into your car in a parking lot and then ditches you (which I've witnessed happen a dozen of times. @_o'). You're left with paying four times as much money than you would with a van or smaller car. And, they're three times as dangerous to a perfectly average driver. So, so much for your "it's the drivers fault" image.

[Ninja-Scientist]

Hmm. Sorry about that. The server just freaked out and then double-posted my post for some reason. @_o'

[AbstractVagabond]

At 7/13/03 08:25 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Hmm. Sorry about that. The server just freaked out and then double-posted my post for some reason. @_o'

That's ok. The server freaked out a erased my entire reply to your post. Too long to want to repeat it. In short. I'm auto illiterate (obviously), so I appreciated the information. Thanks also for the suggestion for a van. I didn't mention van because I saw them as no different efficiently or reliably as SUVs. You attacked SUVs and I mistakenly added in vans to your argument.

[JMHX]

In my personal opinion, I believe SUV's should be reserved for business use only, as there seem to be too many of them on the road as it is. They just eat up gas, that's all, I swear. I mean, I figured the advancements we made in the 70's on how to conserve fuel and still make a roomy car (okay, the 'roomy' bit wasn't until the 90's) would go on for a few decades. It's just being ignored. Huge cars with huge wheels that may or may not attempt to murder the driver. Waste of money.

[misterx2000]

At 7/15/03 02:30 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: In my personal opinion, I believe SUV's should be reserved for business use only, as there seem to be too many of them on the road as it is. They just eat up gas, that's all, I swear. I mean, I figured the advancements we made in the 70's on how to conserve fuel and still make a roomy car (okay, the 'roomy' bit wasn't until the 90's) would go on for a few decades. It's just being ignored. Huge cars with huge wheels that may or may not attempt to murder the driver. Waste of money.

Yep. They block your view of the road, waste gas money, are not as enviromentally friendly as smaller cars and...you don't need an SUV for one passenger! They're a danger to other cars too, giving the driver an unfair advantage in crashes.

[JudgeDredd]

slogan time :)

- "SUV: Suburbia's Ugliest Vehicles"

- "Drive SUVs, make an Arab rich!"

- "SUV's today, off-rail trains tomorrow!"

- "Buy an SUV today~ Keep ahead of the Jones'"

- "Drive an SUV~ give your country any reason to invade another oil rich nation"

- "SUVs look better on fire :)"