Chavez vows revenge for Falklands

[2wiceBorn]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo rld/us_and_americas/article2368707.ece

"The belligerent Latin American leftist warned last week that his recent build-up of sophisticated Russian and Iranian weapons would be used to destroy the British fleet if it attempted to return to the South Atlantic."

I had a quick search on wikipedia about Venezuelan military and apparently they still use FN FAL rifles, IMI UZI'S and the AK series of weapons.

So, reckon he's just trying to look tough infront of his people?

[D2Kvirus]

As a Brit, may I just say...feel free to arrest, torture and publicly execute Margaret Thatcher in a slow, painful and spectacular way.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/2/07 03:06 PM, 2wiceBorn wrote: So, reckon he's just trying to look tough infront of his people?

What does he care about the Falkland Islands for?

Somebody's compensating for the inadequacies in his weapons package in his pants, it would appear.

[LordJaric]

That guy is a dumb ass if he thinks NATO will not come down on his ass for sinking (if he can) the Brit. ships and takeing the Falklands.

[2wiceBorn]

At 9/2/07 03:20 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 9/2/07 03:06 PM, 2wiceBorn wrote: So, reckon he's just trying to look tough infront of his people?

What does he care about the Falkland Islands for?

Somebody's compensating for the inadequacies in his weapons package in his pants, it would appear.

Agreed. Dictators tend to do this every now and again to keep morale up in a hell hole of a country.

[animehater]

At 9/2/07 03:24 PM, 2wiceBorn wrote: Agreed. Dictators tend to do this every now and again to keep morale up in a hell hole of a country.

Give it a few more years and his words would be hollow to even his own people. Let alone the fact that we will stop caring about him.

[LordJaric]

At 9/2/07 04:59 PM, TimTheGreat wrote: It would be a very sad day when another pointless war occurs over those shitty islands.

The people liked being under the British rule, but the Argentine government took them anyways, the whole point to the war was freeing those people form the Argentine government, so no not pointless.

[AapoJoki]

That... doesn't sound good at all. Chávez keeps disappointing me time after time. At first, I had high hopes for his "21st century socialism", but if this is the direction he's taking, making military threats, I have to take everything back.

Besides, Maradona already revenged for the Falkland Island.

[Britkid]

Oooh how frightening. I don't really see how anyone else in the region is going to support him, especially with their history of dictators. The whole continent thinks he's mad.

[TonyTostieno]

At 9/2/07 05:30 PM, TheRoyalEnglishman wrote: Oooh how frightening. I don't really see how anyone else in the region is going to support him, especially with their history of dictators. The whole continent thinks he's mad.

Yep, the Brits'll probably just sort of run them over with boats.

[LegendaryLukus]

At 9/2/07 04:59 PM, TimTheGreat wrote:

At 9/2/07 03:21 PM, LordJaric wrote: That guy is a dumb ass if he thinks NATO will not come down on his ass for sinking (if he can) the Brit. ships and takeing the Falklands.

They didn't last time. Britain fought the war on it's own.

I don't think that's completely true. even though we did all the fighting, the US (allegedly) aided us with all sorts of intel. Then again, they were also trying to end the war before we'd won it.

[Korriken]

Venezuela vs the UK... thats kind of like a normal person vs a dragon.... yeah, that'll end well for Chavez.... he takes a swing, then the dragon eats his face...

[Der-Lowe]

At 9/2/07 03:20 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 9/2/07 03:06 PM, 2wiceBorn wrote: So, reckon he's just trying to look tough infront of his people?

What does he care about the Falkland Islands for?

Maybe because it's a symbol of imperialism, something he is clearly against.

At 9/2/07 05:30 PM, TheRoyalEnglishman wrote: The whole continent thinks he's mad.

Not true, he has several supporters. Most of them come from the left, obviously, and the right hates him. He's a controversial figure, let's say.

At 9/2/07 04:59 PM, TimTheGreat wrote:

At 9/2/07 03:21 PM, LordJaric wrote: That guy is a dumb ass if he thinks NATO will not come down on his ass for sinking (if he can) the Brit. ships and takeing the Falklands.

They didn't last time. Britain fought the war on it's own.

The Americans provided lots of intel, with its shiny satellites.

It would be a very sad day when another pointless war occurs over those shitty islands.

Agreed, wars = bad.

At 9/2/07 05:06 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 9/2/07 04:59 PM, TimTheGreat wrote: It would be a very sad day when another pointless war occurs over those shitty islands.

The people liked being under the British rule, but the Argentine government took them anyways, the whole point to the war was freeing those people form the Argentine government, so no not pointless.

No. The Islands firstly belonged to the French, and then they gave it to the Spanish govermnent. Then Buenos Aires declared independence from Spain, and therefore, the islands were theirs. There were civil wars between Buenos Aires and the rest of the provinces, a period called in Argentinian history, "The Anarchy", that started in 1820 and ended for good in 1862 with the Unification of the National State , and Bartolome Mitre's presidency. The British Empire invaded the Islands in the 1830s, when what would later become Argentina had a lot of more important issues to solve. They sent settlers, kicking the original Spanish inhabitants of the Islands out. OF course they dislike the Argentine's government rule, since they are British immigrants.

[reviewer-general]

PWND.

[Britkid]

At 9/2/07 07:15 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: Not true, he has several supporters. Most of them come from the left, obviously, and the right hates him. He's a controversial figure, let's say.

Well, they still don't want to join in with his petty war games, especially as it would give America an excuse to come down hard on the country.

[tawc]

At 9/2/07 07:15 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

No. The Islands firstly belonged to the French, and then they gave it to the Spanish govermnent. Then Buenos Aires declared independence from Spain, and therefore, the islands were theirs. There were civil wars between Buenos Aires and the rest of the provinces, a period called in Argentinian history, "The Anarchy", that started in 1820 and ended for good in 1862 with the Unification of the National State , and Bartolome Mitre's presidency. The British Empire invaded the Islands in the 1830s, when what would later become Argentina had a lot of more important issues to solve. They sent settlers, kicking the original Spanish inhabitants of the Islands out. OF course they dislike the Argentine's government rule, since they are British immigrants.

Actually the Falkland Islands were owned by the British inbetween being owned by the french and Spanish.

Anywho, who gives a shit if Britain 'stole' the islands of Argentinia. By your reckoning. Argentinia was stolen from Spain. Which before that was stolen by Spain by from the Natives.

If anything the Falklands should becomed independent, howether it just so happens that they are far to small to be a country and the people living on them consider them selves British.

Probably the worse possible thing Argentina could of done was send a load of young inexperienced conscripted soldiers up against the best armed forces in the world.

[LordJaric]

At 9/2/07 07:15 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: History of the ownership of the Falklands

That dosen't change the fact that the people that live their now want to be under Brit. rule.

[animehater]

At 9/2/07 07:07 PM, Korriken wrote: Venezuela vs the UK... thats kind of like a normal person vs a dragon.... yeah, that'll end well for Chavez.... he takes a swing, then the dragon eats his face...

I'd love to see that.

[emmytee]

oh no, I'm shaking.... not a shitty south american communist dictatorship.

[Der-Lowe]

At 9/2/07 07:33 PM, tawc wrote:

At 9/2/07 07:15 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

No. The Islands firstly belonged to the French, and then they gave it to the Spanish govermnent. Then Buenos Aires declared independence from Spain, and therefore, the islands were theirs. There were civil wars between Buenos Aires and the rest of the provinces, a period called in Argentinian history, "The Anarchy", that started in 1820 and ended for good in 1862 with the Unification of the National State , and Bartolome Mitre's presidency. The British Empire invaded the Islands in the 1830s, when what would later become Argentina had a lot of more important issues to solve. They sent settlers, kicking the original Spanish inhabitants of the Islands out. OF course they dislike the Argentine's government rule, since they are British immigrants.

Actually the Falkland Islands were owned by the British inbetween being owned by the french and Spanish.

I did not know that. link?

Anywho, who gives a shit if Britain 'stole' the islands of Argentinia. By your reckoning. Argentinia was stolen from Spain. Which before that was stolen by Spain by from the Natives.

Declared independence, it is different, the French didn't invade the country, and claimed it its own. And Spain recognized the Argentinian State, something Argentina has never done with the Malvinas, if you buy an Argentinian map (in Argentina) you'd see that the Islands have a little label that says Arg.

If anything the Falklands should becomed independent, howether it just so happens that they are far to small to be a country and the people living on them consider them selves British.

And are by international laws, rightfully Argentinian, since they are in its submarine platform.

Probably the worse possible thing Argentina could of done was send a load of young inexperienced conscripted soldiers up against the best armed forces in the world.

The Army was in poor shape, it is true, but the Naval Aviation and the Argentinian Airforce has excellently trained pilots, who managed to hit and make useless the Aicraft Carrier HMS Invincible, in a manouver that is regarded as the best since WW2.
We sank the HMS Sheffield , which was considered as one of the most modern of its time.
But war wasn't a smart choice, I agree.

At 9/2/07 07:28 PM, TheRoyalEnglishman wrote:

At 9/2/07 07:15 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: Not true, he has several supporters. Most of them come from the left, obviously, and the right hates him. He's a controversial figure, let's say.

Well, they still don't want to join in with his petty war games, especially as it would give America an excuse to come down hard on the country.

I agree, we wouldn't join Chavez in a war against a world power.

At 9/2/07 07:39 PM, LordJaric wrote: That dosen't change the fact that the people that live their now want to be under Brit. rule.

Because they're British.

[emmytee]

Hmm, reading the article it looks like he might actually be able to shoot back with his twenty - f ahahahahahaha, I couldn't do that with a straight face

[LordJaric]

At 9/2/07 08:01 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 9/2/07 07:39 PM, LordJaric wrote: That dosen't change the fact that the people that live their now want to be under Brit. rule.

Because they're British.

What's your point.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 9/2/07 08:24 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:01 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 9/2/07 07:39 PM, LordJaric wrote:

What's your point.

Why is the British portions of Northern Ireland pro Unionist.

[Der-Lowe]

At 9/2/07 08:24 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:01 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 9/2/07 07:39 PM, LordJaric wrote: That dosen't change the fact that the people that live their now want to be under Brit. rule.

Because they're British.

What's your point.

They are not the rightful inhabitants of the land.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 9/2/07 08:27 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:24 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:01 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 9/2/07 07:39 PM, LordJaric wrote:

They are not the rightful inhabitants of the land.

Who's to decide?

Aren't Argentinians just offbreeds of Spanish and whatever Native tribes are done there, like Mexicans.

[emmytee]

At 9/2/07 08:01 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: We sank the HMS Sheffield

We sank the Belgrano lol

Military excellence.

Yeah that was a bit gay of us

[LordJaric]

At 9/2/07 08:27 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: They are not the rightful inhabitants of the land.

Same could be said for most americans (from both continents).

[reviewer-general]

At 9/2/07 08:29 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Who's to decide?

Aren't Argentinians just offbreeds of Spanish and whatever Native tribes are done there, like Mexicans.

I squirm at your wording of that statement.

"Offbreeds?"

Come now.....

;

[Der-Lowe]

At 9/2/07 08:29 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:27 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:24 PM, LordJaric wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:01 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:

At 9/2/07 07:39 PM, LordJaric wrote:

They are not the rightful inhabitants of the land.

Who's to decide?

Aren't Argentinians just offbreeds of Spanish and whatever Native tribes are done there, like Mexicans.

A mix of Italians and Spanish immigrants mostly, the natives were massacred during the Civil war, and during the desert campaign.

At 9/2/07 08:29 PM, emmytee wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:01 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: We sank the HMS Sheffield

We sank the Belgrano lol

Military excellence.

Yeah that was a bit gay of us

Coward is more accurate.
But meh, that's war.
I wouldn't consider the death of 300 people a laughing matter, though.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 9/2/07 08:36 PM, reviewer-general wrote:

At 9/2/07 08:29 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Who's to decide?

"Offbreeds?"

Come now.....

;

Semantics, the meaning still stands.