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Posted at: 9/1/07 03:01 AM

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I am a smoker. I enjoy every cigarette I have. I know this is a constant arguement. I know its talked a lot about. But I want to express the idea. Smokers are not malicious destroyers. I don't smoke a cigarette in the hopes to destroy others' lungs. I enjoy it. So I want to know from the people of Newgrounds. Why personally and Realisticaly do you hate smoking? And if you do hate smoking do you hate obesity? Obesuty is a more health harming danger. So why smoking. Why tax us so much that in New Jersey I pay 7.00$ per pack. 20 cigarettes. Which last me maybe a day and a half if I'm lucky. Am I so evil, Am I such a destructor? Do I deserve to pay more on cigarettes than I do on food? Did you know it could prevent proestate cancer, colon cancer, osteoperosis, and even a number of lung disease, and thats not all. Its not as bad as you think. So tell me what is your problem with it.


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I don't like smoking because it can shorten peoples' life span and the way the cigarette companies advertise them.

Common sense isn't so common any more.
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Did you know smoking does not cause cancer but if you were geneticallt inclined to get lung cancer it would increase the amount o time by 5 years. Other than that it does not cause lung cancer.

Im not saying cigarettes are healthy, But therte not as bad as you think.


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At 9/1/07 03:29 AM, Insanatic wrote: Did you know smoking does not cause cancer

And who said that, the cigarette companies or someone they paid i bet.

Common sense isn't so common any more.
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At 9/1/07 03:01 AM, Insanatic wrote: I am a smoker. I enjoy every cigarette I have. I know this is a constant arguement. I know its talked a lot about. But I want to express the idea. Smokers are not malicious destroyers. I don't smoke a cigarette in the hopes to destroy others' lungs. I enjoy it.

I don't think people go around of accusing smokers of "smoking with the purpose of harming others."

So I want to know from the people of Newgrounds. Why personally and Realisticaly do you hate smoking?

After spending lots of time my first five years in the hospital beside my mother at my father's hospital bed, watching him die a slow and agonizing death from lung cancer and emphysema, then seeing him being lowered into his grave at the cemetery, you tend to be against the things that caused that situation.

And if you do hate smoking do you hate obesity?

One's obesity doesn't harm the health of others.

Obesuty is a more health harming danger. So why smoking. Why tax us so much that in New Jersey I pay 7.00$ per pack. 20 cigarettes. Which last me maybe a day and a half if I'm lucky. Am I so evil, Am I such a destructor?

No, but it's a good way to pay for the health expenses smokers like yourself put on the state later on down the road when you're lying in a hospital bed, wheezing through your oxygen mask.

Do I deserve to pay more on cigarettes than I do on food?

Yes. You can't live without food, you can live without cigarettes.

Did you know it could prevent proestate cancer, colon cancer, osteoperosis, and even a number of lung disease, and thats not all.

Do you have any credible link or source to back this claim up?

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Unfortunatly for the movie, Thank You For Smoking, I have found difficulty finding the article that had all the sources. I'm not saying they're healthy I'm just saying don't keep this a salem witch trial. When I smoke a cigarette don't treat me as a lepper. I'm not trying to harm you. Yeah they can harm health. Just as much as donuts harm healh. But please don't think of this a witch trial. We are not evil, no harmful, please be open minded.


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At 9/1/07 04:14 AM, Insanatic wrote: Unfortunatly for the movie, Thank You For Smoking, I have found difficulty finding the article that had all the sources. I'm not saying they're healthy I'm just saying don't keep this a salem witch trial. When I smoke a cigarette don't treat me as a lepper. I'm not trying to harm you. Yeah they can harm health. Just as much as donuts harm healh. But please don't think of this a witch trial.

Who is thinking of it as a witch trial? Who could possibly be persecuting smokers to such an extent?

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Unlike the consumption of donuts (and other unhealthy foods for that matter), cigarettes tend to cause harm to other people in the area of the smoker as well (a.k.a. second-hand smoke).

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At 9/1/07 03:01 AM, Insanatic wrote: Did you know it could prevent proestate cancer, colon cancer, osteoperosis, and even a number of lung disease, and thats not all. Its not as bad as you think. So tell me what is your problem with it.

"as bad as you think" ?? it is, and it definately doesnt prevent prostate-, colon cancer also it most definately doesnt prevent osteoperosis. that really funny it can cause it.
your in a denial phase or something because smoking = very bad for your health.

I know this (being a biomedical scientist and all; specializing in oncology), and still I am a smoker myself. I am finally flirting with the idea to quit soon though.

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I was actually thinking the other day why so many people can heckle smokers. It's at a point now where it's socially acceptable and it's done regularly.

For example someone at a bar could go and say "oh how can you do that to your health? don't you know how bad that is, and how many kinds of cancer it can give you?"

When it's not socially acceptable to go to an obese person and say "oh how can you eat that junk, all that fatty food is harming your health, don't you know how bad it is, and how many heart complications it can give you?"

I think smokers get alot more of their fair share of rude comments. Compared to many other negative life choices...


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I have no problem with you smoking, as long as you stay the fuck away from me at all times.


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I quit smoking recently. It wasn't as hard as all the nicorette gum and nicotine patch ads make out and the only thing making it hard was them trying to convince me I'd need help. I just decided it was time to give up and I gave up. Three days later I smoked one more cigarette and it was bliss. By now, I haven't had a cigarette in so long that I'm back to having the regular intolerance for it. That meaning that if I do smoke, it tastes disgusting and induces gagging. I know this because I had a pretty rough time last week and I got a cigarette off a friend. I smoked it and it wasn't as good as my "last cigarette" or of any before that. It was almost as bad as my first.
My decision to quit coincided with the UK smoking ban. This means that as soon as I quit, smokers were starting to fill the streets. I can't go into town anymore without smelling cigarettes. As an ex-smoker, I hate that. Not only does it make me want to smoke, if only slightly, but it also just really stinks. It was never exactly fresh air to begin with but it was never so bad. That's why I'm against the smoking ban. The smoking ban was supposed to be in favour of non-smokers but I feel it's ruining the experince of going into town to do some shopping. We can no longer walk past a pub or a bar without a group of people gathered in a cloud of smoke, stinking up the streets. I haven't been in a pub since the ban and although I'd surely prefer it now, I'd really much rather that smokers still were able to smoke in there or at least be given designated smoking areas somewhere that isn't a heavily used public area.
I have nothing against smokers as such but I think they should be moved away from the general public, if they choose to smoke. I would propose either smoking rooms, open with free entry to smokers, or that an area of local parks be designated as a smoking area. I would not propose a further ban forcing smokers into these areas. The high-density public areas would still be open for them to smoke in but I would hope that common courtesy made more and more smokers choose the designated areas. It won't get rid of smokers completely but what I propose would at least reduce the level of stench in public areas. However, I still maintain that the smoking ban was a mistake in the first place.
So, as an ex-smoker I do not hate smokers. I just dislike that they smoke around me and would rather they be shooed away to special areas.

Also, I really do hate obese people. I acknowledge that many people have eating disorders and I know not everybody can have a fast metabolism, as I do, but still I think they should at least realise when they're getting too fat and get some help. I can't preach that they should eat healthily and do plenty of exercise because I don't really do that myself. I do, however, realise when I'm starting to get what is commonly known as a beer belly and I do start taking regular walks, upon noticing it, to rectify the problem. Once it's gone, I usually retreat to being my usual slothenly self. I suppose I shouldn't hate obese people but in many ways I do. I think it's mainly the health factor, though. I hate that they'd let their bodies get that unhealthy and perhaps, in a way, I feel that they shouldn't be allowed their body if they're going to mistreat in such a way. For that same reason, I should also hate smokers but it doesn't seem as massive a health risk as obesity and smoking cannot be solely responsible for a lack of productivity, whereas obese people will have difficulty even getting to a job in the morning and therefore aren't in a fit state to help their fellow man.


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I don't care if people smoke. If they slowly want to rot themselves out from the inside, that's fine with me. In fact, I approve of it. If you're fucking stupid enough to smoke despite how many people are telling you it's horrible for you, how much proof there is that it'll kill you, then it's just natural selection.

Now, when you start smoking and doing that shit out in public where that can get to me, then it's a problem. If you're smoking in the car with the windows closed and your kid in the back seat, that's his problem. Second-hand smoke is harmful to the people around you. If you're going to make your kids suffer a car ride with you smoking, you might as well just start putting cigarettes in their mouths.

If you're going to smoke, go ahead, but stay the fuck from around me. Don't smoke around other people. Some of us value our lungs.

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Gaze upon the UK's latest solution.

So, written warnings didn't work (once again indicating at the dropping rate of literacy amongst teenagers), so instead we have to stick pictures on the packet.

Somehow "SMOKING KILLS" wasn't getting through to people, so after a smoking ban that has effectivly put a dent in pubs' profits more than anything else, another chunk of public money is being spent to put these labels on packets of cigarettes.

One day the penny will drop: "We've taxed them senseless, we've said they're going to die, we've said they'll go impotent, we've said they'll miscarry, we've made it illegal to smoke inside most buildings, we've shown nasty pictures - and they're still smoking. Do you think they might have been onto something when they said these things were addictive?"

Hmm, maybe legalising weed will help: you may well lose your 20-a-day habit when you're slouched on the sofa, eating Harbo and Monster Munch watching Teletubbies. Just a thought...

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I dont have a problem with you smoking as long as you give me a Cig for myself its cool


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A friend of mine is allergic to smoke. Going to the city means he must constantly stalk around and make sure he doesn't bump into somebody who is smoking. It changed my perspective on the whole "it doesn't hurt anybody" deal. If somebody smokes on a place like the bus station or some other crowded place, he has to just leave. I feel so sorry for him.

If people want to smoke, they shouldn't be allowed to do it in public.

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personally, I enjoy people who pay 6.50 for cigarettes, then complain about taxes.

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I dont like smoking because of my parents. Both of them have been smoking since their teens, and neither of them can go 10 minutes without having a coughing fit.

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I hate it because I'm asthmatic and it makes me choke my lungs up. I couldn't give two shits if you don't do it around me, but if I have to inhale something that make it difficult for me to breath then I start to get annoyed.


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if you got a health condition go somewhere else and let the smokers be its easy as that


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At 9/1/07 04:06 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: if you got a health condition go somewhere else and let the smokers be its easy as that

People shouldn't have to leave an area because of a condition. It ought to be the smokers who move away as they're the one's doing harm. By lighting a cigarette they begin to pollute the air and if someone has asthma, it's comparable to punching that person in the face. It can be viewed as assault.
Smoking areas should be created so that the rest of us can live without the annoyance and the health risks caused by smokers. Until smoking areas are put into effect, smokers should at least show the courtesy to ask people, "May I smoke here?" or find a secluded or empty area away from other people.


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It gives children asma it kills youu it smells really bad and i cant breaeeath.


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At 9/1/07 04:42 PM, JohnStephens wrote: It gives children asma it kills youu it smells really bad and i cant breaeeath.

remind me to smoke in front of you and give you extra consideration.


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At 9/1/07 04:06 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: if you got a health condition go somewhere else and let the smokers be its easy as that

So if I need to go shopping for food and the only store in I can get to allows smoking I should just go hungry and not go shopping for food?

The number of people who don't smoke is greater than the number who do. Why the fuck should the majority make exceptions for the minority?


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i don't really think they HATE smokers with a hot passion, some of them do, but that hatred is blind and unpersonal. They're just angry that smokers go around doing what they do and harming other people in the process, and the fact that they don't APEAR to be stopping it might give them the illusion that they're doing it to harm people.

Sort of like road rage when a person is driving slow, you scream to yourself in you're mind THEY'RE DOING THIS JUST TO FUCKING ANNOY ME ARRRAAGGGGGH!!!!

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I hate smokers because they stand there roughly 20 years old saying there's nothing wrong with smoking. Then bitch in their 40's because they can bearly walk up the stair and constantly cough.

They stink.

They bitch when they are in a place they can't smoke in. Like work or a plane etc.

They bitch when they run out of smokes or lighter runs out.

And finally most of them don't mind blowing smoke in your face.


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Smoking can be harmful to others without the person who is smoking intending for that to be the case.

Having said that though, I think there should be limits on how much we regulate smoking. In my city, there is a bylaw that makes it illegal to smoke in any public place, including on the patio of a restaurant, for example. Ridiculous! You can't even smoke in my cigar store. Non-smokers have no reason to go into it! I don't smoke cigarettes but even I think $9 and $10 a pack is ridiculous.

Now they're talking about banning smoking in ALL public places, including parks and the like. There should be a line where we're respecting the rights of non-smokers while not trampling all over the rights of smokers who use a legal product.

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I don't hate smokers (unless they smoke Benson & Hedges or Lambert & Butler: they fuck up my throat just by inhaling the smoke), but mostly because militant anti-smokers make them seem like innocent bystanders in comparison.

Then again, I quit smoking ten years ago - it's not that hard: just smoke Beedis.

Failing that, how about inserting a small microchip and speaker into the filter, so when somebody sparks up, it just says over and over "This man is gay with a small penis" until it's extinguished? That'll stop people smoking remarkably quick (or buying Rizlas and rolling tobacco, which is marginally better for them, those surrounding and their bank balance anyway).

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At 9/1/07 03:46 PM, SlithVampir wrote: personally, I enjoy people who pay 6.50 for cigarettes, then complain about taxes.

One of the many reasons mooching a cigarette off of someone else is much better than buying them yourselves. Moochers smoke less.


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smoking doesnt cause cancer, people cause cancer.


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