Spanking (School & home)

[Kenshi]

I recently saw some videos of people being interviewed on the news.

Most people say spanking is abuse, or not necessary. I agree with that.
Then again, others think it is ok and/or necessary.

Go ahead and discuss this. And tell me your opinions of corporal punishment.

[Jizzlebang]

I don't understand the necessity of spanking kid when there are better, more effective methods.

And don't give me that "Oh, my parents hit me, and i'm okay" bullshit. This isn't the 50's.

[Draconias]

Spanking just seems unnecessary as it encourages and teaches the WRONG methods of punishment or reaction to negative situations. Punishmnet that has a mental effect, and does not rely on pain, is the best option overall, such as time-outs, etc. for most children.

[Kenshi]

At 8/31/07 03:24 PM, Draconias wrote: Spanking just seems unnecessary as it encourages and teaches the WRONG methods of punishment or reaction to negative situations. Punishmnet that has a mental effect, and does not rely on pain, is the best option overall, such as time-outs, etc. for most children.

Wow.. That was a great post. Same with the first responder.

[clucko]

Kids deserve a good ass-kicking every now and then. Personally, I'm not a spanking kind of guy, but I would give my kids a good whack in the head if they did something real stupid.

However, there is a difference between keeping your kid in line and abusing your kid for no reason.

[Brick-top]

Spanking kids in school and at home is suppose to cause a mild dose of fear so you aren't disruptive or think you're Gods greatest gift. When you see the kids these days they have no respect, they don't know what is right and wrong and saying BAD does nothing.

This is not only from a teacher who has been living in a world where spanking is OK and now teaches kids in a world where it isn't but also I've had the shit kicked into me and it put me into a straight line, I behaved MUCH better afterwards and I was a fucking horrible child.

Spanking kids is ok, but beating kids isn't.

[Kenshi]

they don't know what is right and wrong and saying BAD does nothing.

Not necessarily.

[Proteas]

BULLSHIT ALERT! BULLSHIT ALERT!!!

Dems; Spanking is bad! Corporal punishmentinstills the wrong kind of lessons in a child and teaches them that violence is okay in certain situations!

Well how do you feel about the Death Penalty?

Dems: The death penalty is wrong! I'd rather let them rot in prison and get the shit kicked out of them by the general population, maybe being someone's prison bitch will teach them a lesson!

*wraps head in duck tape and runs off*

[Brick-top]

At 8/31/07 04:20 PM, kenshi2 wrote:

they don't know what is right and wrong and saying BAD does nothing.

Not necessarily.

Yes it does. It does absolutly fuck all and you know it. Shouting at them is worse and then you have to get into a psychologicl battle with a 4 year old. Hit them across the head and tell them to behave. Job done.

[Kasualty]

All I know is, spanking's real hot.

[Pheidippides]

At 8/31/07 08:32 PM, SevenSeize wrote: I had two student paddled last week by the assist. principal. Their behavior was MUCH better this week. I had another one paddled this week. I'll bet she's good next week. I got spankings growing up, and I'm fairly normal.

Really? I thought they made that illegal in the 80's or something. Or maybe that's just my state.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

I am for hitting as long as its open hand and only in response for something over the top.

Yes I was raised like that but I could probably count the number of times I was hit on one hand and looking back I did deserve it. In fact the worst punishment I got was the removal of my entertainment system for 3 months. Indecently I ended up reading 3, 400 page novels in that time.

Also if a kid is tarring up a shopping mall because you won't buy him a 5 dollar cookie for lunch and calling you names that you don't even understand because there so obscene for the love of god slap him! Hell if it weren't for people like that show like nanny 9-11 wouldn't exist parents are stupid.

Let me tell you if my kid ever pulls that crap he isn't going to get off with a freaking time out an if you have anything to say about it then find a crazy out of control kid and prove me wrong.

Off course I'm not saying you should whip the kid with a belt for getting a b+ but if he just threw a 3000 dollar plasma screen out the window and called you a bitch during his birth day party then kick his ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Proteas]

At 8/31/07 08:39 PM, SevenSeize wrote: Parents must give permission.

Wha... WHAT?! You mean that parents actually get involved in their children's development enough to give a shit about their children's behavior at school in Louisiana?!? YOU'RE KIDDING!!!

Sorry for the sarcasm, I couldn't resist. I'm just used to hearing horror stories about how kids act in public schools these days from my sister, who used to substitute teach locally. The whole time she tells these story's I'm thinking, "Did their parents raise them to be better than this...?"

At 8/31/07 08:46 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: Hell if it weren't for people like that show like nanny 9-11 wouldn't exist parents are stupid.

I can't watch that show anymore, I just want to jump through the tv and strangle the parents every time I see it on.

[SmilezRoyale]

it's hard to argue this in a paragraph, so i'll write an equation

- Abuse can be mental and physical [or physical and non physical so to speak]
- punishment can be physical and non physical
- So i supose unless there is a sort of psuedomentallegal line between punishment and abuse otherwise all punishment is abuse; i usually am against stating that there are exceptions to rules based on my own biased mental standard, but this has to be true that there's some sort of line that can be drawn between punishment and abuse
- otherwise all punishment is abuse; which is a problem considering unless you have childeren who don't make mistakes or defy parents, they have to be punished at some time in they're lifes, we've all been punished; but few can say that we've been abused.

On the issue of spanking; there's a general consensus amoung pyscologists, therapists, and CPS's and a few other experts that spanking doesn't solve problems.

[Kenshi]

People in schools cant spank in Washington. Only 3 schools actually. None which are near me.

So yeah. My mom doesn't like hitting kids.

[bcdemon]

I am all for spanking your child, heck, a swift brainduster isn't that bad either. But there is no way in hell I would allow another person be it a babysitter, teacher or principal to lay a hand on my child.

[Ravariel]

Spanking is like a fine wine. You only bring it out for special occasions. When you REALLY need to get a message across, it does the job. More often than not, you don't even have to actually cause pain, just enough to get their attention. However, there's a fine and fuzzy line where it starts to become unacceptable, but unless it devolves into real abuse, that's a line for parents to decide on.

As far as in school goes... usually the threat alone will keep most kids in line.

[Memorize]

At 8/31/07 10:31 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

On the issue of spanking; there's a general consensus amoung pyscologists, therapists, and CPS's and a few other experts that spanking doesn't solve problems.

You're talking about a group of people who can't even make up their minds over what method to use in determining someone's personality.

The same group of people who claim you can tell if a child is going to grow up to be a murderer just by observing them.

I don't trust them or anything they say.

[LabBattle]

Spanking in moderation is good and effective, only when its the last resort (beating a child is terrable, there is a differance). At home, I dont think its the schools responsibility to be a parent to your child, that is the problem with a lot of parents, they want to be their best friend and let the school system raise their children insted of being a parent.

[D2Kvirus]

We keep having the corporal punishment question come up here, since it's practically illegal for a parent to smack their child (and especially so for, say, a teacher). Thing is, I'm a little bit split on the issue.

One one hand, there are the sort of fathers I regularly see on the bus that threaten their children at the slightest transgression, although that seems to be coming from somewhere else rather than the need to discipline their child (such as being an overly aggressive prick who seems to have all the answers in their fists). That needs to be stamped out further, as God knows what goes on behind the closed dorrs of the home.

On the other hand, you have little fuckers aged 11 throwing things at people at bus stops (I know this one first-hand) and running away as soon as you look at them. They usually graduate into happy slapping and generally being a pollutant to the gene pool, as all chavs are. These kids, frankly, need a good kicking.

The latter are supposedly offspring of ineffectual parents that can't be bothered , usually from council estates at that (this is the point you should look up the word "chav", just to let you know), and seem to revel in being little bastards, hoping they get the badge of honour that is an ASBO (in other words, the punishment is ineffective - typical for Blair, really). They're the sort of kid that are rock hard either:
a.) Out of earshot.
b.) Driving past in their car at 40mph.
c.) In a gang of at least half a dozen.

What they need is a literal and figurative slap around the back of the head, because they seem to revel in the fact that they can get away with it due to their age, and nobody will punish them. Fast forward a few years, and we have rival phalanxes of drunken chavs spilling out of bars across the road from each other giving a perverse rendition of the beginning of West Side Story every Friday night.

(Hey, I'm from Croydon, putting up with this crap is my bread & butter)

In short, before I go off on a long tirade against chavs, ther eneeds to be an acceptible level of discipline, but not one to break out at every half-reasoned supposed transgression. God, I hate balancing acts...

[Sajberhippien]

At 8/31/07 10:31 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: it's hard to argue this in a paragraph, so i'll write an equation

- Abuse can be mental and physical [or physical and non physical so to speak]
- punishment can be physical and non physical
- So i supose unless there is a sort of psuedomentallegal line between punishment and abuse otherwise all punishment is abuse; i usually am against stating that there are exceptions to rules based on my own biased mental standard, but this has to be true that there's some sort of line that can be drawn between punishment and abuse

That logic was flawed... Just because both abuse and punishment share the same traits (they can be physical or nonphysical) doesn't mean they are the same. Bat's aren't birds even though they both fly. (and even though the bible says so)

[SuperDeagle]

Spanking works and the majority agree on it.
My sons not going to be a pussy.

[fli]

I'm ethnic.... lol.

Black people and Latinos believe in spanking. I mean... Time outs??? That doesn't work at all in correcting the behavior, especially if the parent is already meek in that he or she are too scared to spanking a child properly. Time out can work, if only if the kid can perceive your authority. Otherwise... it's an added temper tantrum.

And also. Kids today have computers and TVs in their rooms. What punishment is that to send the kids to the room?

I am not a believer of "spare-the-rod" theory. Parents ought to spank kids if the bad behavior warrants it and needs immediate correction. And they should know when and how to spank.

An open flat palm on the ass with two (at MOST 3) swift movements.
And parents should "save the punishment" for latter. How will the kid know he's done bad if you spank him latter? Mothers love to tell thier kids, "Wait till your dad comes home." This is a horrible thing because it doesn't do anything to fix the problem but enhance it.

And I also believe that after a spanking, a parent should always come back, give a hug, and tell them what they had done bad.

And despite what people say... a swift 3 movement slap of the flat palm on the ass is not abuse. Abuse takes that on a different level where it victimizes the child. If a child has done something bad and it's something out of the ordinary, then spanking should be used so that we can teach them not to do that behavior again.

[fli]

At 9/1/07 02:28 PM, fli wrote: And parents should "save the punishment" for latter.

Sorry... "Parents should NOT "save punishment" for latter...

[TheThing]

It's alright to hit a kid every once in a while if they do something bad. I mean, it puts fear in them; if I knew making a flame thrower out a can of WD-40 and a lighter would equal some bruises and pain, I wouldn't do it.

Kids today have no respect for authority because parents build up their self-esteem and can never think their angel did something wrong, or should be hit because they did.

[JohnStephens]

I know a better way of punish ment have the be in a empty room for 2 hours with nothing.

[Kenshi]

At 9/1/07 04:45 PM, JohnStephens wrote: I know a better way of punish ment have the be in a empty room for 2 hours with nothing.

Who has an empty room?

[Kenshi]

At 9/1/07 05:33 PM, SevenSeize wrote: If we explain to them WHY we have rules and why we enforce them, that will eliminate alot of the need for punishment. You know, if people would just freaking raise their children......

Preventative action....

My dad should read this.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 9/1/07 02:14 PM, Sajberhippien wrote: That logic was flawed... Just because both abuse and punishment share the same traits (they can be physical or nonphysical) doesn't mean they are the same. Bat's aren't birds even though they both fly. (and even though the bible says so)

You're logic is flawed because you didn't read my post well enough, i'll highlight the important part:

"but this has to be true that there's some sort of line that can be drawn between punishment and abuse. otherwise all punishment is abuse; which is a problem considering unless you have childeren who don't make mistakes or defy parents, they have to be punished at some time in they're lifes, we've all been punished; but few can say that we've been abused"

Spanking isn't necessary if childeren are better diciplined at an early age, i've never been spanked in my life, and have only been grounded once for something that my sibling did and not really me.

[Proteas]

At 9/1/07 07:10 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Spanking isn't necessary if childeren are better diciplined at an early age, i've never been spanked in my life, and have only been grounded once for something that my sibling did and not really me.

Each child is different, though. Some kids you can get away with time outs and taking their stuff away because they're materialistic and place more value on the their desire to have the stuff than they do their desire to act out, so such punishments are effective. Some kids (like me and my brother at an earlier age), taking our stuff away was kind of useless because we would have had to own something of great value that could have been taken away first.... so, spanking was usually the effective punishment in our house.