Revived murder victims

[stafffighter]

Every day in hospitals around the country and the world patients are declared clinically dead for short periods of time and then revived . My question here is that if said person was the victim of an attack could their attacker be brought up for murder?
This sounds like a stupid question but think about the technicalities for the moment. This person attacked another person and willfully or not used sufficiant force to take that persons life. If the victim is brought back through medical means does that take away any of the offence? If someone is robbed and through insurance they get all their money back does it mean they weren't robbed?
Technicalities are tricky with death. But if it the illegality of suicide can be used to prevent or inturrupt attempts by terminal patients (yes, there's a use for that law. No more of that shooting a guy for jumping crap) then there could be reasoning behind charging someone for killing even if the person they killed is sitting in the courtroom.

[LordJaric]

Most murder victims are dead more a while, if someone us dead for more than 3 min. than they will be brain dead if they our brought back.

[deslona]

It would be attempted murder. Just as if someone tried to commit suicide and and failed - attempted suicide.

Obviously in a (fair) system the punishment may be tandamount to murder based on circumstance. As for the technicalities, that would just be a money grab by certain parties, no-one has to gain from such a position other than it will make a drawn out court case longer and more painful. Essentially it will neither prove innocence or guilt. Only 'compensation' or 'punishment'.

[TheBasics]

It would most likely fall under the category of attempted murder. Although they would probably file additional charges for the brutality of the attempt. Like if it was done with a weapon such as a gun it would be attempted murder with deadly weapon. And would probably run up additional jail time for the offender. Has a case such as this actually happened? I mean I'm sure it has, but has it been documented?

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

As far as I know, you can't actually come back from the dead; cases of "revived" deaths are actually cases in which patients are falsely declared dead when they really aren't. Of course, I'm hardly an expert on the subject.

[stafffighter]

At 8/30/07 10:06 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: As far as I know, you can't actually come back from the dead; cases of "revived" deaths are actually cases in which patients are falsely declared dead when they really aren't. Of course, I'm hardly an expert on the subject.

So defibulater pattles are a myth?

[tony4moroney]

At 8/30/07 07:58 PM, stafffighter wrote: Every day in hospitals around the country and the world patients are declared clinically dead for short periods of time and then revived . My question here is that if said person was the victim of an attack could their attacker be brought up for murder?

Im pretty sure theyll just be charged for a myriad of other things such as attempted murder. When a person is declared clinically dead, if im not mistaken it means the person's heart stopped beating for a short period of time. hardly classifies as murder.

[stafffighter]

At 8/30/07 10:26 PM, tony4moroney wrote:

When a person is declared clinically dead, if im not mistaken it means the person's heart stopped beating for a short period of time. hardly classifies as murder.

So it qualifies as being dead but not as murder? Last I checked if you made someone be dead it was called murder.

[tony4moroney]

At 8/30/07 10:30 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 8/30/07 10:26 PM, tony4moroney wrote:

When a person is declared clinically dead, if im not mistaken it means the person's heart stopped beating for a short period of time. hardly classifies as murder.

So it qualifies as being dead but not as murder? Last I checked if you made someone be dead it was called murder.

clinically dead - and revived.

last i checked the scenario claims they were alive again. you couldn't have murdered somebody if they're alive and thus, can't be charged for it.

[stafffighter]

At 8/30/07 10:33 PM, tony4moroney wrote:

clinically dead - and revived.

Yes, that is the topic at hand

last i checked the scenario claims they were alive again. you couldn't have murdered somebody if they're alive and thus, can't be charged for it.

Yes, revived means alive again. But you cannot be alive again until something kills you.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/30/07 10:25 PM, stafffighter wrote:

So defibulater pattles are a myth?

Defribulators use electricity to jumpstart the sinoatrial node. What's that got to do with bringing people back to life?

[stafffighter]

At 8/30/07 10:36 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

At 8/30/07 10:25 PM, stafffighter wrote:

So defibulater pattles are a myth?

Defribulators use electricity to jumpstart the sinoatrial node. What's that got to do with bringing people back to life?

Going from not having a pulse to having one, for one

[Malachy]

sure, you can be claimed clinically dead for a short time, but I feel that without a death certificate on record, a lawyer would have an incredibly hard time proving that it was not the fluke of a machine or doctor by which a patient were considered clinically dead.

Since the condition is obviously not permanent the charge would be attempted murder

[tony4moroney]

At 8/30/07 10:47 PM, SevenSeize wrote:

I have lesson plans to write.

just give them reading time ---- for the whole day. or make it an 'outside in the sun' day where they get to play ball all day. preferably in the middle of the road. kids, sports and cars mix real well. trust me on this.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/30/07 10:39 PM, stafffighter wrote:

Going from not having a pulse to having one, for one

Yet we aren't talking about not having a pulse.

We're talking about people who "die", not every single who's ever had a heart attack ever.

[fahrenheit]

I would say attempted murder, because the person tried to kill the victim, but failed.

[SmilezRoyale]

Anyone who commits An attempted murder should be brought to pay for his crimes in the same manor as if they were a sucessfull murder. The Sucess of a crime should not deturmine how the criminal is punished; only the intent.

That's my 2 game tokens.

[SolInvictus]

due to todays technology being clinically dead (respiratory and cardio-vascular functions have ceased) does not necessarily mean one is truly "dead". and considering that nothing is documented until a person is officialy declared "dead" (once all attempts to reanimate him/her have ceased) that person still only dies once.

[stafffighter]

At 8/31/07 12:01 AM, SolInvictus wrote: due to todays technology being clinically dead (respiratory and cardio-vascular functions have ceased) does not necessarily mean one is truly "dead". and considering that nothing is documented until a person is officialy declared "dead" (once all attempts to reanimate him/her have ceased) that person still only dies once.

Then they should stop using the term clinically dead. They're doctors. They should know you don't fuck around with that word.

[SolInvictus]

At 8/31/07 12:05 AM, stafffighter wrote: Then they should stop using the term clinically dead. They're doctors. They should know you don't fuck around with that word.

they might, since reviving people whose hearts have stopped is relatively common. the definition of death is becoming rather unclear.
at the moment those who can't be saved and who aren't being kept alive artificially (his/her heart won't pump on its own and theres no brain function but those cells are still alive and well...is a pile of living cells dependant on machines a living human?) are the dead.

[psycho-squirrel]

no, attempted murder. murder is when the victim is dead and stays dead.

[stafffighter]

At 8/31/07 06:41 AM, psycho-squirrel wrote: no, attempted murder. murder is when the victim is dead and stays dead.

So for the short time they are dead it is murder and then when they get the heart going again it's not?