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Forum Topic: Game Packs issue - followup

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Luis

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Posted at: 8/29/07 10:02 PM

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The almighty lou: ill be sure to include an excerpt in my next productions specially tailored for you.
tlazor.com: Just for me or all the other game pack owners?
tlazor.com: Gather as many people as you can who wants their games removed. I will remove them. After that, I will not do it again. Agree? This means, put a thread up, let me type everything I want to say... and post it. Then when everyone wants to get it removed, I will. I will let them aware of famous arcade scripts who sold gamepacks for 2 years now. In addition, some several game pack owners. You research everyone of them and talk to each. This will make me feel better aswell for you people.
tlazor.com: So I want proof its their games, and the game after they play it, and gather it all and send it to me through email. So dont let them email me but keep it on the thread.
tlazor.com: I dont want any threat and this will take at least 1 week to gather information
tlazor.com: It takes me around 48 solid hours so give me 3 days to process it.
tlazor.com: When I process it, there will be no games requested in my database in addition, they will be removed from the file if they supply me the name of the game through it
tlazor.com: Understand?
tlazor.com: I am very busy and I am in college.
tlazor.com: I do not have much time to be wasting my time talking to everyone.
tlazor.com: I do understand your feelings.
tlazor.com: The thing is, you missed up kid.
tlazor.com: Mistakes happen. I will allow you to refix it.
tlazor.com: Next time be aware of things.
tlazor.com: Understood?
tlazor.com: A bunch of you developers sound like kids. I could tell because the way they talked which is not a professional manner to handle this situation
tlazor.com: I can understand kids have more feeling than adults. In addition, adults are more aware.
tlazor.com: I have several things to do.
The almighty lou: Well it is what it is i guess. And for the record I am an adult and i do value my work free or not doesnt mean i dont give a shit about it.
tlazor.com: Mistakes happen.
The almighty lou: well whatever ill post your thing and that be that.

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Luis

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Posted at: 8/29/07 10:11 PM

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the point is to include text within the rules of distribution on your future free game(s) that says that your game cannot be used to sell gamepacks... cause hes really a pain to deal with... i spent like 10 mins just proving that my game is mine.. regardless of the fact that it blatantly has my name on the credits.

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Hello,
This guy has not stolen any games. He said he will post an exact message 3 p.m. eastern time. Do not attempt to threat, use personal information or anything that is breaking the forum rules. For the people who wants their game removed, reply with proof it is your game. In addition, try the game on his site. If you want the game file removed aswell, reply with its name. All the games are being used legally. He is voluntarily removing some games from his hobby.
Thank you


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Luis

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At 8/29/07 10:14 PM, connemaraproductions wrote: their should be an agreement on Newgrounds that says everything on this site may not be used for any other purposes without the authors consent...

will talk to tom about it. I think there should be the creative commons thing that the audio portal uses.

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At 8/29/07 10:16 PM, Luis wrote:
At 8/29/07 10:14 PM, connemaraproductions wrote: their should be an agreement on Newgrounds that says everything on this site may not be used for any other purposes without the authors consent...
will talk to tom about it. I think there should be the creative commons thing that the audio portal uses.

thats exactly what I had in mind...definatly something Tom should look into....I know Snubby uses that with his stuff...or something like it. ask him bout it


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Posted at: 8/29/07 10:54 PM

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Lets keep the name calling out of this thread. If you want your game removed state that you do on this thread along with the name of your game and the link of origin..

I could care less how childish he thinks i am, i just want my game out. This is an opportunity to get your game taken off.. use it.

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Posted at: 8/29/07 11:02 PM

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Dear Tlrazor,

I would like my game below removed from your game pack(s):

Muscomorpha
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/24 5003

Thank you for your cooperation.
Love ya, XOXOXO

-Luis.

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http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/27 0205

Dear Tlrazor,

I would like my game below removed from your game pack(s):

Planet Mayhem
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/27 0205

Thank you for your cooperation, which I'm sure will happen. The father of the co-creator of the game is a lawyer so testing the water for a suit wouldn't cost us anything.
Love ya, XOXOXO

-David.


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Tlrazor,

I would like my game below removed from your game pack(s):

Kogent Knight
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/28 9747
Creative content belongs to Kevin Barrios and David Silver, distributing rights belong to Armor Games'.

Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory it too good.

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At 8/29/07 10:30 PM, connemaraproductions wrote: thats exactly what I had in mind...definatly something Tom should look into....I know Snubby uses that with his stuff...or something like it. ask him bout it

Yeah I stuck a CC thing on my site just for safety. There are still lots that use my stuff commercially though, if ads count. Google Hurry Bird in quotes, at least 30 sites that stole it.


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Bumping this as im sure theres other authors who want their games off this glorified 'game pack' list.

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Hey I hate to be on the outside of your group huddle, but what's going on here?

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I am the owner of PHPAS Game Generator Pack. This is not a business. It is a hobby. I have voluntarily giving each one of you developers to take back the free game you game me. You might think you did not give it to be which means permission. By giving a game to the public without restrictions or documents and state its free to use, it is free. Here is the definition of free: not controlled, restricted, or regulated by any external thing. This means I am using the game legally and do not have to return it. You may think you own it. You don't own it anymore. The only thing you own is the copyright. It is like saying you obtained your favorite counsel game for free from a Christmas gift. The game is copyrighted by the developers. Now you think the developers can contact you and say give it back? No. The thing is, it is still copyright under the developer's name. By law, I am not doing anything illegally. With that counsel game you obtained from Christmas, you can do whatever you want with it. You can give it to people; you can sell it for all you want etc. For your understanding, I am not selling the game. I am giving the games out for free. If you take a look on www.tlazor.com and read the agreement, number four says "You are not buying these games, images, or the other content that belongs to the game. You are purchasing Joshua Roehrig's service to find games, have it preloaded, named, code into phpArcadeScript format into its category, size, keyword, title, image location, type of file, activation...etc, human labor hours (around 542 hours), 2.5 months of hard coding, and to build an easy efficient script as possible." Then why don't I give the games out for free without the database I made to sell? Its because of the time I put into it to find, download, name, group, file, and organize them. I charge service. Again, I am still not selling a game. "All the games, images, etc were copied from various websites. I have permission to use these games." This means, if a website gives the game out for free download, anyone is given permission to have it. Permission: agreement to allow something to happen or be done. When someone hits the download button, that is the permission button. The time I downloaded it, there was no rules. Just free with permission to have it. For future developers, think ahead, out of the box, about keeping your games how you want it to the public. Create a rule before someone hits that "Agreement" button. The button is the download. That means, when you push the button, you grant all rules and because of this, you get to have the game. Not for free though because they had to agree with the rules. If you use the term Free and there are restrictions, you are miswording. This means its not the persons fault who downloaded it, it's the person who gave the downloader permission.
By law, "Games, images, and its following content is copyright © by the owners of the game. Under no circumstances, I have no to rights to change any content with any game." This don't mean you can do whatever you want with the game who has it. It just means your name is copyright on it.

I am a fair guy. This deal is unfair to me. I would appreciate if you all take the games back from all arcade script owners, game pack owners, and even websites. The reason is because I feel you all would be foolish, childish, shellfish, ignorant, immature, and inconsiderate if you did not do remove the games from them several sites. I will list some sites:
www.gamepacks.org
www.phparcadescript.com
www.mygamescript.com
http://www.avscripts.net/avarcade/
http://www.best-arcade.net/index.php?cat =Arcade+Scripts
http://www.getmyownarcade.com/?gclid=CMu MlNzRnY4CFQcOgQodWAg5RA
http://www.arcadebuilder.net/
http://www.my-install.com/prog/Desktop-S creen-Savers-People/21019/Arcade-Game-Pa ck-Pro.html
www.gamesitescript.com

There are thousands. THOUANDS! Time to start contacting them all guys. Don't just give up on mine.

If you think I am breaking the law, go to www.uspto.gov and show me through a link how.

It takes me 48 solid hours to change my hobby to delete the requested games. This is the only change you got to get it out if you want. Just because others are doing do not mean you got to.
Remember, I am one of all who helped you gain traffic. I helped send out the game to be known. If you want your game back, your just being a foolish, childish, ignorant, inconsiderate and immature. This is because you gave the game for free, now you have restrictions. Now you want it back after a year and with my help to send out the games to arcade sites.

Best if you keep the game in the package.
I may have more info without prior notice.
Regards

To removed from www.tlazor.com, give me proof it is your game, and test if it's the game in my demo on tlazor. There is one week. After that, no more removing.


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Beapilot:
I'd be interested to know what website it is that you visit to download games from. It'd be nice to see the website that apparently rules over mine and everyones work and 'grants you permission' to do what you want with em.

Thanks,

-L

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At 8/30/07 12:47 PM, beapilot wrote: By giving a game to the public without restrictions or documents and state its free to use, it is free.

Hi there,

This is John from Flashrights.com. In accordance to Fair Use and Copyright laws, your use of other people's work without permission is in violation of his or her's country's copyright laws. In the United States and the United Kingdom, the primary author locations for this site and others, the laws clearly indicate that any work "published" is automatically entered into copyright, regardless of it's registration with the Library of Congress.

Your distribution and profiteering from other people's work without permission is against the law. Your claim to be selling it as a service is also invalid, given that you are directly giving the files instead of not allowing the customer to download the files on their own. It's the same idea as you handing out a CD with all the games on it. Think about if EA Games caught you selling a disc with tons of their free POGO games on there. Your "I'm collecting" catch-phrase won't really hold up.

Your privacy policy also indicates that you "had permission" from these various sites to use this game. I don't ever remember giving you permission for the games "Dark Cut", "Ball Revamped", "Ball Revamped Metaphysik", "Four Second Firestorm", and "Ellipsis". Please remove these games immediately.

Immediately cease and desist, or a complaint will be filed for internet piracy. In the meantime, you might want to brush up on your Intellectual Property Rights.

-John

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At 8/30/07 01:00 PM, Luis wrote: Beapilot:
I'd be interested to know what website it is that you visit to download games from. It'd be nice to see the website that apparently rules over mine and everyones work and 'grants you permission' to do what you want with em.

Thanks,

-L

Copy it and put it on first post. You said you will. Delete that dialogue.
Thanks.


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At 8/30/07 12:47 PM, beapilot wrote: Legal Stuff

Seriously, I think that legal stuff is a bunch of bull, although you are right about it. Flash developers should put more thought into protecting their swfs.

I urge all artists to use protection on their games which can be found here (Click), through which you can choose to block specific sites or allow specific sites.

Also, In your authors comments, and your .swf, I would put something along the lines of this:

I, the creator of the game reserve all commercial rights that apply. It is to be enjoyed by the patrons of the website(s) I choose to upload it on. This game is not to be stolen, decompiled, or otherwise ripped from newgrounds and (sponsor goes here).

It sounds legal enough to maybe push away some potential thieves.

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-John

I can understand you are new to this. Remember, I am volunteering to remove games on request. After a week of request, all the requested games will be removed. Dont forget to go to all of the other sites to ask them to remove.

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At 8/30/07 01:10 PM, beapilot wrote: I can understand you are new to this.

What does this mean, really?

Look, if you are here to have a conversation, have one. If you are here to insult the people YOU make a profit from illegally, then please leave.

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At 8/30/07 01:10 PM, beapilot wrote: I can understand you are new to this. Remember, I am volunteering to remove games on request. After a week of request, all the requested games will be removed. Dont forget to go to all of the other sites to ask them to remove.

He isn't 'new to this'. Do you think someone who's 'new to this' could write all (literally all) of this?

Alright, I admit, I was actually talking about sex!

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Dear Josh,

It is hard for us to convey to you the idea of rights, which you so obviously lack. Indeed it is difficult to change the way any human beings think or feel, and therefore I hope that you would take a moment to leave behind your predetermined thoughts on this issue and simply read the definition of copyright provided by dictionary.com, which of course is not the only authority on definition but I think you'll find it is the similar in all dictionaries. "The exclusive right to make copies, license, and otherwise exploit an artistic work." You admit to not having copyright, but you hold the right to exploit. You can say you are selling your service, but without the games you would not be selling anything.

I chose this one issue to post about among many that I could have expressed, so please think about it, don't think of me as against you, or with you, I'm simply trying to change the way you look at "copyright."

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Think about the word copyright. The right to make copies. Sometimes people make copies, but the author doesnt press charges; at least, the authors here can stop you from making copes of their games.

Stop and think about what you're doing. It's like recording episodes of the simpsons, putting them on DVDs, then selling them, claiming you're not breaking the law, you're "charging the service of researching, compiling and organising". You're just a bitch. (Go ahead, call me childish.)

Alright, I admit, I was actually talking about sex!

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At 8/30/07 02:03 PM, trig1 wrote: Think about the word copyright. The right to make copies. Sometimes people make copies, but the author doesnt press charges; at least, the authors here can stop you from making copes of their games.

Stop and think about what you're doing. It's like recording episodes of the simpsons, putting them on DVDs, then selling them, claiming you're not breaking the law, you're "charging the service of researching, compiling and organising". You're just a bitch. (Go ahead, call me childish.)

Luis, Paste that long message I had. Most of you, do not attempt to understand. Just follow the long message I gave. I will not respond to much of any of you peoples messages.
Favors of unfairness,
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At 8/30/07 02:14 PM, beapilot wrote: Luis, Paste that long message I had.

Paste it yourself, you said you saved the conversation. I didnt save it.

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At 8/30/07 02:14 PM, beapilot wrote: Luis, Paste that long message I had. Most of you, do not attempt to understand. Just follow the long message I gave. I will not respond to much of any of you peoples messages.
Favors of unfairness,
-B

You mentioned you were doing a course at college. What is that, a degree in how to be patronising and arrogant? If so, you really should learn how to write proper sentences, spell correctly, and use proper punctuation before you look down your nose at others. You act like you're the one that's been wronged here, with your '542 hours' of putting together your platform - but the fact is, many of those games you're 'supplying for free' took longer than that to create, and your platform would NOT SELL without those games.

You clearly have no morals and ethics, and I sincerely hope that karma catches up with you one day and you find someone else ripping off your hard work to make a profit.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Kid.

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At 8/30/07 02:29 PM, Denvish wrote:

much <3 to my main man.

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i think this is the one time all mods are getting along... i guess something good came from this in the end....

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"You understand that the property may be made available for download on the Internet for a fee or otherwise, and hereby consent to such. You further understand that due to the nature of the Internet medium, the Property may be downloaded and reproduced by Internet users and agree and confirm that the Newgrounds shall have no liability whatsoever for an infringement of my rights by an Internet user who downloads and/or uses the Property in an unauthorized fashion"

Interesting portion of the flash submit terms of service on Newgrounds.

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Ok , whos wrong here? Us , or him? After luis explaining it to me on aim. I think it MAY sound clean , but could still be very illegal. Cause he is making money off our work isnt he?


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At 8/30/07 06:32 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote: "You understand that the property may be made available for download on the Internet for a fee or otherwise, and hereby consent to such. You further understand that due to the nature of the Internet medium, the Property may be downloaded and reproduced by Internet users and agree and confirm that the Newgrounds shall have no liability whatsoever for an infringement of my rights by an Internet user who downloads and/or uses the Property in an unauthorized fashion"

Interesting portion of the flash submit terms of service on Newgrounds.

Wtf? All that means is that I can't blame newgrounds that someone stole my work. It's still wrong to steal it in the first place, it's just that it's not newgrounds fault.


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