Comunism

[wisthekiller]

i know no-one wants to talk about it, but here i go.

Comunism is good in someways, Im not talking about fake comunsim such as hitler or castro, im talking about the real thing. for example:

Pro comunism:
everyone is equal
everyone has a right to live
no one is too poor to afford to eat and drink
you can be rich if you have a job
without a job you arent poor
you depend on the government
if its set up right, everyone can be succesful

Pro capitalism:
you depend on yourself
you can get rich easier
the government is elected, not appointed
you can blame the president for everything.

now i would like your oponions whether you are for or agianst me, whether i put up a good argument or just made comunism sound worse.

[Pheidippides]

Personally, I like the fact that I have the opportunity to succeed in life and do better than everyone else, so Capitalism ftw!

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 8/29/07 06:57 PM, Pheidippides wrote: Personally, I like the fact that I have the opportunity to succeed in life and do better than everyone else, so Capitalism ftw!

totally capitalism all the way bitches!!

[animehater]

At 8/29/07 07:09 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:

At 8/29/07 06:57 PM, Pheidippides wrote: Personally, I like the fact that I have the opportunity to succeed in life and do better than everyone else, so Capitalism ftw!

totally capitalism all the way bitches!!

Capi love!

[wisthekiller]

touche to you all but if set up right comunism can be better if only a little

ps read my sig

[Buckdich]

At 8/29/07 07:15 PM, Transkar wrote: Communsim will never work on humans. Once again, its good in theory, bad in practice. It always ends up a police state as well.

I wouldn't say it's great in theory. Wouldn't a system in which you get out what you put in be better than a system where people always get the same share despite wether they contributed more to the general stock or not?

I am not speaking of Capitalism in the sense we Americans think of it. I am speaking of the economic system in which Government granted priviledges are removed to avoid certain members of Soceity from leeching off the production of others. A system such as this involves removal of things such as Corporate welfare, private ground rent, and fractional reserve banking practices (and other systems to keep the financial markets stable and secure). This is what the true free market advocates wanted, going from Adam Smith to Ricardo and up to many present day economists. Sadly, the world does not take heed of their knowledge, leading the exploitation of the poor by the robber barons during the industrial revolution to the stagnation of economies by Socialism.

Few realize that a free market is not an anarcho-capitalist market in which Government has no control, but a market in which priviledge is removed and merit is rewared.

/end rant

[wisthekiller]

you do have a basic right to freedom as long as its not dictatorship and you can get more if you produce or have a job

[IOUPAIN]

your exactly right. did you know this about hitler? i learned in school today , ( first day of school )

his mother had 3 children who died of diseases. Her mother was married to her uncle. Hitler was thye only child to be born from that couple.

We learned that today. also this about da vinci.

His mother became pregnet with him at 15. His father left his mother after a one night stand. the greatest inventer and schollar was gay. Many ladies beleived him to be handsome and he was a great athlete.

[Skyrenx]

Communism is a bad idea and will not work, there are so many reason's why, some of which have already been discussed here. We see the United States slowly slipping to communism as we speak, the democrats want global healthcare and Hillary/Obama are endorsed by Castro. We are virtually an athiest state, and have seen moral values in decline since the "counter culture" revolution that started in the 60's (During a peak in the cold war, coincidence?) Those commies are good, they still exist in the form of far left activists but are simply called liberals.

I see newgrounds users as mostly liberal.

[SolInvictus]

At 8/29/07 06:45 PM, wisthekiller wrote: i know no-one wants to talk about it, but here i go.

this comunism you speak of reminds me of something known as communism.

useless fucking assholes.

[Light-Aurora]

I dont know it does sound good but then the pres would use his power to much every one knows that

[TheMagicMooseisme]

I have been in close contact with a real-life communist for prolonged periods of time. No suprise he was a loser that had no friends. Anyway the point I'd like to make is that communism done right may sound appealing to some people.But communism can't be done right by humans, it just goes against all human nature, the drive for success.

[Kev-o]

At 8/29/07 08:28 PM, Skyrenx wrote: Communism is a bad idea and will not work, there are so many reason's why, some of which have already been discussed here. We see the United States slowly slipping to communism as we speak, the democrats want global healthcare and Hillary/Obama are endorsed by Castro. We are virtually an athiest state, and have seen moral values in decline since the "counter culture" revolution that started in the 60's (During a peak in the cold war, coincidence?) Those commies are good, they still exist in the form of far left activists but are simply called liberals.

I see newgrounds users as mostly liberal.

The United States government is NOWHERE near communism. Most democrats are pro-capitalist, and liberalism is in no way like communism. Cuba is not based off of Marxists principles, but is instead a dictatorship with what is just a false title. Do you have any proof Hilary/Obama are endorsed by Castro? Religion has a large influence on our government currently, though religious beliefs should not dictate government. If anything, the anti-Capitalist movement is much more underground than it's ever been.

[slackerzac]

At 8/29/07 06:45 PM, wisthekiller wrote:

Pro comunism:
everyone is equal

No because there will always be someone who thinks they are superior then others weather it be by race or intelligence.

everyone has a right to live

Look up Joseph Stalin

no one is too poor to afford to eat and drink

But what if have nothing to trade for food or drink?

you can be rich if you have a job

no one is supposed to have a job in communism, we all work for eachother.

without a job you arent poor

thats debatable.

you depend on the government

there is no government in true communism

if its set up right, everyone can be succesful

not likely.

Pro capitalism:
you depend on yourself

ever hear of the word "partnership"?

you can get rich easier

thats very debatable.

the government is elected, not appointed

Unless you dont count George W. Bush, atleast to some anyway.

you can blame the president for everything.

most things anyway.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

For example I turned on the news this morning to discover fox new has a new segment "ripping on republican's" WTF? Anyway despite that I kept watching and apparently it's "in vogue" as they said for republicans to distance themselves from people like the bathroom guy and the president my immediate thought was. Of course they are! Those two are stereotypes not all republicans are closet cases or religious nuts. Likewise I don't think all democrats are socialist's.

Oh and as for communism itself it was a nice idea but like most simple plans it didn't work in principal nearly as well as it did on paper and if Marks had lived to see Stalin he would have died of a heart attack.

Not to mention that social class are necessary to give people who are intelligent and work hard the ability to become rich and successful wile lazy or stupid people generally end up homeless or dead. Of course there are problems with our system too like morons inheriting money and becoming rich and smart people being ostracized and kept down but that's not a fundamental flaw but corruption. The lack of social classes is a fundamental flaw if people can't make there lives better they don't try hard, if know one try's hard advances aren't made which is why communists nations like the soviet union aren't around anymore or like Cuba are dirt poor.

I defy you to ague with that logical argument. It might to make humanitarians very unhappy that social Darwinism is the reason for our success but that's the case. Which is why natural selection is used by nature if nature was communist all life would be is a bunch of amino acid goo which isn't really life at all. Of course poor people are less likely to have a lot of kids so I guess evolution is also continuing albeit much slower. If the world were communist the only way we as a species could evolve would be some kind genocide or eugenics program and I think any rational mind would prefer what we have to that.

[Redguy123458]

At 8/29/07 06:45 PM, wisthekiller wrote: i know no-one wants to talk about it, but here i go.

Comunism is good in someways, Im not talking about fake comunsim such as hitler or castro, im talking about the real thing. for example:

Hitler was communist?

[Eoewe]

Communism is a failed ideology for many reasons. Humans by nature are selfish and deceitful who use others to gain an advantage. Such can be observed in that animal world around us. In a commie/socialist society everyone would be entitled to the same thing. Meaning doctors would get paid the same as janitors. By doing that you take away incentive and motivation. Why would someone spend years learning how to save lives when they can clean up shit for the same pay?

[animehater]

At 8/29/07 11:49 PM, Eoewe wrote: Why would someone spend years learning how to save lives when they can clean up shit for the same pay?

Omg dey wud do et frum da goodnes of der harts

Sarcasm.

[TonyTostieno]

At 8/29/07 06:45 PM, wisthekiller wrote: i know no-one wants to talk about it, but here i go.

Comunism is good in someways, Im not talking about fake comunsim such as hitler or castro, im talking about the real thing. for example:

You lost a hell of a lot of credibility when you said Hitler for fake communism. That was fascism buddy, there's a rather large difference.

Pro comunism:
everyone is equal
everyone has a right to live
no one is too poor to afford to eat and drink
you can be rich if you have a job
without a job you arent poor
you depend on the government
if its set up right, everyone can be succesful

Everyone has a right to live in capitalist societies last I checked, and there's unemployment for you in most countries...it's just wicked low amount of money until you can find a job.

Pro capitalism:
you depend on yourself
you can get rich easier
the government is elected, not appointed
you can blame the president for everything.

Yes to everything except the last two, capitalism is a system of economy, NOT a government.

now i would like your oponions whether you are for or agianst me, whether i put up a good argument or just made comunism sound worse.

Neither. And now you have my opinion, and I am out of cookies, now you know.

[TonyTostieno]

At 8/29/07 10:25 PM, slackerzac wrote:

everyone has a right to live

Look up Joseph Stalin

"Death solves all problems, no man, no problem."
"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic."
Both by that wonderful idiot.

[psycho-squirrel]

communism never will work in today's world. there has never been a true communisim yet.
communism is where everyone has equal pay, so a doctor would get paid the same as a person that cleans out toilets at a 7/11.

money is a big motivater.
only having the motivation to help the country would not last long.

if i had a job that paid very little, but the benifit was to help the country, i would quit. if all jobs were the same way then i would only give 20%.

but in a world like that, everything would have to be super cheap. i mean the value of $1 would be worth $100 for us.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

They both suck.

Capitalism always has a loser in it, which is ok if everyone has a fair start, but in a world where some nations started playing the game earlier than others, it means it just doesn't work in practice. All you have to do is look at the number of nations that have been restructured to try and encourage the trickle down theory, yet still remain in poor nations is testament to this.

Communism sucks because it isn't ever going to happen. It revolves around humanity being selfless and not selfish or greedy and, to a degree, unambitious. Ambition, greed and selfishness are three of the defining traits of humanity, to get rid get rid of them would require divine intervention.

[Kyora-Mishiso]

Communism is a lot like sex.

Everyone who doesn't have it and sees someone else enjoying themselves when they have it wants it.
And when you finally do get it, it gets boring after a while because the girl (or guy) you're doing it with is a fucking dom.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

At 8/30/07 05:06 AM, psycho-squirrel wrote: communism never will work in today's world. there has never been a true communisim yet.
communism is where everyone has equal pay, so a doctor would get paid the same as a person that cleans out toilets at a 7/11.

The basic premise behind communism is ' From each according to his ability, to each according to his need'.

There is NO pay in true communism. Everything that is done is done for the good of society. You help keep society on track and society looks after you. If you need something then it will be given to you for free. Likewise if society requires something from you, you must give it for free.

The very idea of money in a true communist society defeats the entire purpose of communism as it means that some people will end up having more of it, whether by saving it or by other means, therefore making those with money more powerful and therefore not equal. It would just be an even shittier version of capitalism.

[BILKS]

At 8/29/07 07:44 PM, wisthekiller wrote: touche to you all but if set up right comunism can be better if only a little

ps read my sig

you aren't a republican your a commie. be an adult and just say it.

[TheMagicMooseisme]

Everyone!!! let's stop arguing about Communism's flaws... Marx said "first came the archaic age then came the feudal age, then the renasiance ,next the capitalist age and finally the communist age" and he was flat out wrong because Communism had it's 30 years. and only 30 years because can't work on humans without turning to a police state. and even if Marx's "ideal communism" existed, which it never would(sorry commies) it wouldn't last long.

[tony4moroney]

At 8/30/07 07:50 AM, TheMagicMooseisme wrote: Everyone!!! let's stop arguing about Communism's flaws... Marx said "first came the archaic age then came the feudal age, then the renasiance ,next the capitalist age and finally the communist age" and he was flat out wrong because Communism had it's 30 years. and only 30 years because can't work on humans without turning to a police state. and even if Marx's "ideal communism" existed, which it never would(sorry commies) it wouldn't last long.

marx's ideal communism NEVER existed because it's philosophy was used as a PLOY to turn the state into a fascist one. People refer to this as Stalinist Communism. But that said, marx wouldve been more correct in saying the age of socialism is next considering many social policies are inevitable and most european countries already have these implemented.

[TheMagicMooseisme]

Sorry, i got my Commies mixed up. But the social politics happening in europe are not anywhere near to what Marx wanted, look at the debt (im American so i shouldn't be talking about debt), the percent of people living under the poverty line is near double the US. and not to mention with the advances of modern medicine,sweeden, a welfare state will either give up on it's socialist tendencies or just fall deeper in to debt trying to provide for her citizens.

[tony4moroney]

At 8/30/07 08:50 AM, TheMagicMooseisme wrote: Sorry, i got my Commies mixed up. But the social politics happening in europe are not anywhere near to what Marx wanted,

It's similar. It's also a more logical and applicable implementation than his ideals considering he never took into account the economy and human beings.

look at the debt

I never really heard about them having an outstanding debt, tell me more.

the percent of people living under the poverty line is near double the US.

Which 'european country' are you talking about? Russia? Most of them have half the amount living under the poverty line and most of them have higher standards of living. Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands for e.g.

and not to mention with the advances of modern medicine,sweeden, a welfare state will either give up on it's socialist tendencies or just fall deeper in to debt trying to provide for her citizens.

Wrong Sweden expenditure on healthcare is HALF that of the U.S as is all other systems of universal healthcare. You've propagated a false belief.

[Buckdich]

Just to add, the reason communism failed was because of Central Planning. Central Planning cannot micro-manage the allocation of resources as well as the free market.