The Unofficial Religion Thread

[tony4moroney]

Seriously, let's not spam up the entire Politics board with religion threads that only very slightly deviate from each other. If you've got an opinion or a question pertaining to religion post it in here please.

I'll start. Why is it that muslims, christians and jews find it necessary to kill each other, and often, in the name of god when they all believe in the same one?

[LordJaric]

At 8/29/07 04:15 PM, tony4moroney wrote: I'll start. Why is it that muslims, christians and jews find it necessary to kill each other, and often, in the name of god when they all believe in the same one?

Those are the extremest, who think their religion is the one ture religion.

[Pheidippides]

I'll start. Why is it that muslims, christians and jews find it necessary to kill each other, and often, in the name of god when they all believe in the same one?

Because they are extremists. K, next question plz.

[Pheidippides]

Why do Atheists(the stupid and insecure ones, at least) feel the need to prove something that is real to religious people wrong, namely God's existence?

Isn't it quite obvious that some angry words won't change anything, or are that 5% of atheists just stupid?

I think you just answered your own question there. They are stupid and insecure.

[Pheidippides]

Well, it kind of looks like all the real questions are solved now, other than how to keep ignorant idiots away from the internet,

A required spelling and grammar test will keep at least 95% of them away.

[wisthekiller]

to quote the internet

"War over religion is just arguing who has the best imaginary friend"

[a2toedmonkey]

I have a question
Why is it that most extremest in most religions attempt to....disprove science, and to further that, how is it possible for someone to stil in this day and age believe in creationism.

[Jaketheclonetrooper]

At 8/29/07 07:17 PM, a2toedmonkey wrote: I have a question
Why is it that most extremest in most religions attempt to....disprove science, and to further that, how is it possible for someone to stil in this day and age believe in creationism.

Once again, they're mostly extremists. The problem with creationists is that they take Genesis literally. It's more of symbolic than anything else, Hell, I'm a devout Catholic, but I'd take Evolution and Charles Darwin over " God really made Adam and Eve out of clay!" any day.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

I have a few thoughts.

If religion causes wars of belief over which god is the right one.

Why is it that in antiquity all forms of paganism wile different were respected even to the point of being recognized as the same religion?

For example the Romans Greeks and Egyptians both believed that the gods Zeus, Ammon, and Jupiter where the same guy even though there descriptions, forms of worship, and stories about him where completely different. The only religious fundamentalist's in the ancient world were in fact the Jew's who like most of the world today believe there is only one god, and there one god is the right one all others are evil and there followers must be destroyed or sent to hell.

Also in antiquity cults were accepted as societies that specialize in one particular god. There were no examples of crazy, racist, revolutionary, or suicidal cults like there are in modern history.

I wonder is there some flaw in the belief in one god that causes all the discrimination and wars. Perhaps it lie's in the fact that by saying there is only one god you make it impossible to say other gods even if they are supposed to be the same god are in fact the same. Maybe that leads to the atrocities? Or possibly it could be that, the doctrine of going to hell unless you belong to one religion as apposed to another that was probably originated to gain converts throw fear make's it okay to force conversion for "their own good" which has often been the rational of religious intolerance.

I also find it interesting that as more and more people are turned away from western religion they tend to turn to eastern to eastern ones and to Celtic paganism. Why not Greco-roman paganism is it because it's identified with the western culture that they are trying to escape and if so why escape western culture? Every modern convince and indeed science itself is only possible because of it. If anti western thought is indeed the cause than why the Celtic Wicca? Is it the prospect of magic? If you really examine Celtic magic it it's not magic at all, it's just another name for prayer like that in Christianity. Is it because Wicca clams to be about nature? In reality fertility cults are about agriculture not wilderness, and they are just as present in both other types of paganism and even represented in Catholicism by saints who in many cases took on the roles of the other gods in roman thought. Why covert to eastern religion's as apposed to others like Native American religion, Mesoamerican paganism, Island voodoo, or even non religions like atheism and agnosticism. Which to me wile understandable in intent seam to be view as religions which is a contradictions for example if an atheist is asked what there religion they reply that they are atheistic instead of they have non. Religion is belief so is not the belief in god not being real a religion you believe it? Hell is being a scientist a religion I believe in that?

It seams to me religion and the lack of it raise far more questions than they answerer.

I have said before I'm a very unserious roman catholic. I not really sure I believe in god, but I do like the fact that religion gives people morals and hope for meaning especially in death, which with out the concept of after life would make most of us lose the will to live at all, and just go insane with fear. I mean imaging ceasing to exist at all? I can't even bring myself to consider it with out horrifying myself. That's even worse than the end of the world because at least there is something beyond it the concept of having nothing after death is just chilling.

If death is just death than what's the point of living. Should we try to become immortal it is theoretically possible with cybernetics and stem cell research but we are already over populated and the universe it self isn't eternal when the last star go out even immortals who don't grow old will die.

[SmilezRoyale]

Sometimes they kill eachother in the name of god as a coverup for a more pratical but unscrupulous reason. EI land, money, power. Etc. etc.

And in the mind of any pycopath killer, a higher authority would favor them over they're victims, otherwise they're either killing in fear of punishment, or in dirrect 'Sticking it to the man'

Things like calling jews and muslims evil was an excuse to seize they're land; nothing more.

Also; beleiving in the same entity does not mean you see the entity as the same thing as everyone else.

But why am i telling you this when you already know this.

[Jaketheclonetrooper]

At 8/29/07 08:04 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: Sometimes they kill eachother in the name of god as a coverup for a more pratical but unscrupulous reason. EI land, money, power. Etc. etc.

Oh finally, someone realizes this. It pisses me off so much when atheists keep saying " How about the crusades? I thought your God disliked war you sheep!" It was more about territory than religion. it just so happened that one side was Christian and the other Muslim.

[SmilezRoyale]

Something else you should realise, uneducated people combined with hysteria and a poor influencing spells terrible results.

The peasants suffering from the plague blamed the jews for they're suffering; the pope said it was bullshit but he couldn't stop them. That was one of the huge problems with fuedalism; You Deny such a large percentage of the population social mobility and they are incapable of spreading knowledge; and as a result replace logical mentalities of civilized culture with dangerous god-fearing mentalities.

People of the dark ages thought that God was a spitefull punisher because everything around them seemed like punishment. We look at god today as a comical figure [Simpsons, Bruce almighty] because that's the way we are. The jews looked at god as a figure who would protect them and provide salvation and punish those who tried hurting they're people because the jews were in constant cultural war with they're neighbors throughout they're history.

[Ropedgag12345]

At 8/29/07 05:36 PM, Xtesh wrote:

..." Well, it kind of looks like all the real questions are solved now, other than how to keep ignorant idiots away from the internet,"

I wish i could vote five on replies, cause this guy would have got one.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

Calm down every one. I was just razing these questions to start an intellectually debate. Not a, for or against war or religion partisan argument.
And yes SmilezRoyale I did know that. One of the mane reasons I am highly critical of such movements. People like the pope that started the crusades did so not for as they said religious reason but for political reasons which if you actually study the crusades is quite obvious.

However people like Osama, Hitler, Che, and Lenin are the exception to the movements are about power rule because there actions contradict this when you analyze there behavior it becomes horrifyingly obvious actually believe what they said for example:

%u2022 Hitler believe that only pure Arians could procreate and because he was part Jewish he refused to have children even though he loved children.
%u2022 Osama lives a life devoid of the pleasures his position gives him access to and probably (much like Saladin centuries earlier) blames the licentiousness of his peers for the situation in the Middle East is in and the fact that "infidels" rule the world. Ironically however it was the pope and the crusaders that originated the term I think the Muslims extremists assume most of our history ignorant population know this and mean it as satirical revenge.
%u2022 As for Che he also was quite a sober reserved individual. There is actually a little tidbit about the revolt he supported in the Congo that I love.

He and his troupes were upset when the leader of the movement was several hors late when he arrived in boat with two prostitutes staggering drunk holding a bottle of rum in hand. His troops seeing who there where helping almost started a mutiny.

He (the leader) was the normal kind of movement leader Che and his people were just plain crazy and actually believed the crap they were spilling. This is also confirmed in Che's last word shoot coward you only kill a man not my idea's (to bad we can't shoot idea's the bastered was right). Of course his buddy Castro wasn't an if you pointed a gun at him his last words would be more like Frank from scare face, god I love that movie "no please no ahhh... (Silence)" on his knees begging. Dam ineffective Kennedy If I was running the bay of pig Cuba would be the 51st US state by know. And I'd be there in person not sitting in the white house letting the CIA handle it.

True Osama was the only example I gave for a religious nut leader but there is also the Iattola but I don't know as much about him and can't give a reason. I tend to think this based on his mood and crazy actions. Like sending fanatics at Saddam's army with nothing but copies of the Koran, but he could just have been a heartless bastard using the shock of hundreds of fanatical troops to scare them away.

But I digress lets get back to the topic.

[GaiusIuliusTaberna]

Odd didn't relies newgrounds wouldn't display bullets perhaps it was a glitch but the %u2022 nonsense was a bullet.

You see I write all my posts on Microsoft word then cut and past them to make editing easer of course sometimes the auto correct function screws up my posts

FYI if you see a word in an argument I've made that doesn't make sense that's likely what happened.

[reviewer-general]

At 8/29/07 04:15 PM, tony4moroney wrote: Seriously, let's not spam up the entire Politics board with religion threads that only very slightly deviate from each other.

You mean the "decent-start-that-turns-into-a-flame-wa r" loop?

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