Marajuana: No Harm?

[DarkCyrstal]

W00t, This new medical "breakthrough" shows no or little damage in usign marajuana. Link it right here,

http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/70/80972.htm

Of course this is a major victory to the fellow potheads!

[BWS]

It may not damage your brain, but it sure isnt good for you. Look at all of the things it leads to also. I really dont care because I dont get messed up anymore, but come on, its not "good" for you.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/8/03 02:45 AM, BWS wrote: It may not damage your brain, but it sure isnt good for you. Look at all of the things it leads to also. I really dont care because I dont get messed up anymore, but come on, its not "good" for you.

Of course it is not good for you. The always hate the reason that "It's a gateway drug to harder and more dangerous stuff". It is true that most addicts start with maryjane, but... Look how many people are not.

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 7/8/03 02:45 AM, BWS wrote: It may not damage your brain, but it sure isnt good for you. Look at all of the things it leads to also. I really dont care because I dont get messed up anymore, but come on, its not "good" for you.

That's all personal choice, though. Marijuana doesn't MAKE you do other drugs, or MAKE you fuck anyone, or MAKE you do all the things that people think or say. The 'gateway drug' argument is poorly founded. If someone chooses to do other drugs on top of weed, that's their fault, not the marijuana. If they had the personality to pick up other, more dangerous drugs, or knew that that was a possibility within themselves, they never should have done marijuana to begin with.

Then there's those of us that smoke or USED TO smoke (I haven't for a LONG time), and that's the one and only intoxicant we've used. Me and many of my friends are like that. We have no desire to use it as a gateway.

Marijuana isn't just not harmful. :) It's got a lot of medicinal purposes, too.

[DarkCyrstal]

The crap i hate is that

"Marajuana is addictive"

No it isn't. It is just as addictive as something you like say.. Chocolate or cookies (mmm Cookies) But less than say Sardines.

If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, marijuana should also be legalized.

[BWS]

At 7/8/03 02:58 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote: The crap i hate is that

"Marajuana is addictive"

No it isn't. It is just as addictive as something you like say.. Chocolate or cookies (mmm Cookies) But less than say Sardines.

It isnt addictive huh? Then why is it that I know people, including myself previously, who fail drug tests and violate probation, even though they know that they have to take one. Call it what you like, but the addiction is what alters their ability to think properly. Weed is addictive, and im not going to try and debate this because its a waste of time. Ive seen and done plenty of shit, and so im not talking from things that I might have read.

[DarkCyrstal]

Been there too buddy, And i sumped my stash down the toilet. Yes i am truely addicted after 2 years. :)

[DarkCyrstal]

Ahhhh we can dream cant we?

[Vicious-WTFN]

At 7/8/03 03:01 AM, _crossbreed_ wrote: If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, marijuana should also be legalized.

Umm..... you know what? no.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/8/03 04:12 AM, OnionClock wrote:

At 7/8/03 03:01 AM, _crossbreed_ wrote: If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, marijuana should also be legalized.

Umm..... you know what? no.

yea i am gonna have to agree with Onion there. That is a piss poor point for legalizing Mary jane. Since Alchahol was illigal for a decade, and (as you can see) cigerettes are trying to become illigal. If marajuana is to become legal different points and arguments are going to have to be met. As for me i really dont give a flying fuck. Legal OR not, it isn't going to change a thing for me.

[BlazinSmurf]

It doesn't really fucking matter, just that weed/cigs are worse on a long-term basic, where as alcohol has both short and long-term hazards.

I've been smoking weed for about 8 years and my short-term memory is getting fucked up. Smoking cigs for bout 9 years and I can barely fucking run 100 yards without passing out. Alcohol on the other hand made me punch a window then get into a fight with another drunk fool until we both got arrested and spent a nice night in the drunk tank which smells quite lovely in the 35C heat.

Who gives a fuck though, smoke weed and get drunk cause life is short and you only live once cause there is no fucking god, and if there is, then he is one sick motherfucker!

[stafffighter]

I think most of the loudest voices against this are just worried about being forced to buy it out in the open.

[Mr-Plad]

i dont drink or do drugs anymore but i think that marajuana should be legalized because the war on drugs in my opinion is a waste of time and tax payers money. besides when has the government ever given a shit about whether an addictive substance kills us or not? cigarettes and alcahol kill you just like any other drug would. the only difference is that cigarettes and alcahol take much longer to kill you than other substances do. this gives the various markets ample time to collect your money over the course of your life as you purchase alcahol and tobacco products, and lets not forget that the government is entitled to its tax cut off of every purchase you make. this ammounts to a good foruty to fifty years of consumer profits for them. the only reason that marajuana remains illegal is because it is more profitable for the amearican government if marajuana remains an enemy in the war on drugs. they get reculous sums of money for ther pointless all talk campagns not to mention all the money they make off of people who get arrested and fined.

[Nirvana13666]

No one has ever died of THC poisoning, mostly because a 160-lb. person would have to smoke roughly 900 joints in a sitting to reach a lethal dose.

It turns out that the study of marijuana's health effects is at once more complex and less advanced than people imagine. Marijuana remains the only drug that researchers must acquire directly from the feds. If the FDA and DEA approve, scientists can get even ecstasy from outside labs, but NIDA is the sole source for cannabis, requiring a third bureaucratic layer. In an era of privatization, it's shocking that the government insists on a monopoly so that it can choose not to provide marijuana to projects it doesn't like.

[Nirvana13666]

At 7/8/03 07:34 AM, Mr_Plad wrote: i dont drink or do drugs anymore but i think that marajuana should be legalized because the war on drugs in my opinion is a waste of time and tax payers money. besides when has the government ever given a shit about whether an addictive substance kills us or not? cigarettes and alcahol kill you just like any other drug would. the only difference is that cigarettes and alcahol take much longer to kill you than other substances do.

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I think you are mistaken. Nobody has ever died directly from marijuana use. Alcohol can cause death by alcohol poisoning, asphyxiation, cardiomyopathy, and cardiac infarct.The abrupt cessation of alcohol use in very heavy drinkers causes a well-known withdrawal effect that can kill if untreated. It is unclear whether any degree of withdrawal syndrome occurs after cessation of heavy cannabis use.Alcohol kills more people per year than all other drugs combined... Times one thousand.
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this gives the various markets ample time to collect your money over the course of your life as you purchase alcahol and tobacco products, and lets not forget that the government is entitled to its tax cut off of every purchase you make. this ammounts to a good foruty to fifty years of consumer profits for them. the only reason that marajuana remains illegal is because it is more profitable for the amearican government if marajuana remains an enemy in the war on drugs.
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Well if any drug that is currently illegal becomes legal the government will profit from it through taxes. They just make more profit from it be illegal but either way they "win"
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they get reculous sums of money for ther pointless all talk campagns not to mention all the money they make off of people who get arrested and fined.

[Nirvana13666]

Yeah I screwed up trying to post in b/t someone else’s post....I am sure people can figure out what's mine and his

[Ted-Easton]

At 7/8/03 03:01 AM, _crossbreed_ wrote: If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, marijuana should also be legalized.

Ahh! I hear that so incredibly much! None of them should be, and there's no logic in legalizing marijuana because the other two are.

Maybe this will help explain. Obviously, there are endless other factors, but this is very simplified.
It's a scribble, but it shows....something. I can't be bothered to explain right now.

[Ted-Easton]

We're at red, if we legalized marijuana, we'd be at purple(far left), if we banned alcohol, we'd be at blue, if we banned cigarettes, we'd be at pink.
Of course, you have to take into account health care, and all sorts of other things, but it's supposed to show, I suppose, where we are with relation to drugs.
Certainly alcohol, marijuana, and cigarettes are harmful (don't dispute that right now, it's not the focus of this. but a person would be healthier without them.) so this shows the effect each has on our standing on drugs.

[Mr-Plad]

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I think you are mistaken. Nobody has ever died directly from marijuana use. Alcohol can cause death by alcohol poisoning, asphyxiation, cardiomyopathy, and cardiac infarct.The abrupt cessation of alcohol use in very heavy drinkers causes a well-known withdrawal effect that can kill if untreated. It is unclear whether any degree of withdrawal syndrome occurs after cessation of heavy cannabis use.Alcohol kills more people per year than all other drugs combined... Times one thousand.

i know that people dont die from smokeing weed. i suppose i should have brought that up when making the comparison between legal and illegal drugs because that fact alone makes it all the more rediculous.
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Well if any drug that is currently illegal becomes legal the government will profit from it through taxes. They just make more profit from it be illegal but either way they "win"

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i agree.

[FUNKbrs]

*looks at BWS with evil glint in eye*

You were addicted, were you? BULL FUCKING SHIT. I smoked my fair share of weed before I got busted (try a quarter once a week habit, I got high 5 TIMES A DAY). However, next week I had sold my stash, and quit cold turkey. I haven't touched the stuff or had any withdrawal since. I've been clean for the past four months. Now, I'll admit, being high is great. I understand that some people lack the self control to stop getting high. Lord knows I took up drinking since I got on probation. But the point I'm trying to make is the "addiction" is like addiction to peanut butter cookies. Yes, peanut butter cookies are yummy, and I would like to eat a bunch of them. If I had a bag of peanut butter cookies, I would sneak in and eat them all the time, even when I know I shouldnt. But that just means peanut butter cookies are GOOD, not that they are ADDICTIVE. If I got the shakes from not smoking weed, then yeah, I would say it was addictive. But I didn't, and I've never met anyone who has. Weed is hard to quit because it's GOOD, not because it's physically addictive. (I discount the idea of "psychological addiction". It translates to me as "I have no self control")

[sonic-speed]

HAHAHAHAHAHA stupid americans, unlike the states canada is legizing it

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/8/03 08:25 AM, Nirvana13666 wrote: No one has ever died of THC poisoning, mostly because a 160-lb. person would have to smoke roughly 900 joints in a sitting to reach a lethal dose.

Nope impossible to OD on THC.

[Headmine]

Mary Jane is pretty close to alcohol but it makes you "stupider that stupid" Lots of my friends have turned into dumbasses...

[Ravens-Grin]

At 7/8/03 12:37 PM, G_FRESH_69 wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA stupid americans, unlike the states canada is legizing it

Really? Sweet im moving to Canada

One thing i found in the article is this:
"Marinol, a drug that is a synthetic form of marijuana and contains its active ingredient, THC, is available by prescription to treat loss of appetite associated with weight loss in AIDS patients"

MUNCHIES!!

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/8/03 01:10 PM, Headmine wrote: "stupider that stupid"

I think the your friends should be saying that about you.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/8/03 01:52 PM, DarkCyrstal wrote:

At 7/8/03 01:10 PM, Headmine wrote: "stupider that stupid"

You definatly need to lay of the bong water also.

[Ted-Easton]

Two things-
Canada is NOT legalizing marijuana

Dark, take this as a stern warning. We're trying to stop all flames, and the next one gets you a ban.

[Nirvana13666]

At 7/8/03 01:10 PM, Headmine wrote: Mary Jane is pretty close to alcohol but it makes you "stupider that stupid" Lots of my friends have turned into dumbasses...

If you can't regulate yourself then you will lose in life. I am an avid pot smoker but I go to school work a full time job and take part in a million other productive activities. Pot is suppose to be a recrational drug and once it becaomes more than that to anyone they should stop. Drugs are not everyone but as an individul one must decide what is right and wrong for them.

Oh and Funk is right...pot is not addictive and whoever got addicted to it is rather weak. Marijuana has been proven to cause tempory memeory loss and it might even be bad for you lungs but it isn't addictive and it does not cause withdrawal syptmons.

[wdfcverfgtghm]

Facts don't matter in a situation like this, because marijuana is criminalized for being unpopular in public opinon, not for being harmful.