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At 8/29/07 03:26 AM, TheReno wrote:

Why? When the military is telling them not to enlist, that's a damn good reason not to.

If you dont want to read fine by me. But dont expect an awnser from me when you ask my opinion. Read my posts before this.

I read them and you said that they should conseal their sexuality and basically live a lie in order to enlist. I admit that is getting around the army telling gay people not to enlist but it dosen't really solve the big problem

How is that bad? Its good lol. In fact Gay people have been saving lives in Iraq.

Good, so the government should let them save lives then go home to whatever consenting adult they want to

. And Yes I know what a dishonorable discharge is lol.

Are the lols supposed to make you sound witty or are you just at that stage where anything you do that annoys older people amuses you?

At 8/29/07 03:26 AM, TheReno wrote:

If you dont want to read fine by me. But dont expect an awnser from me when you ask my opinion. Read my posts before this.

I did. How in the fuck do you think I knew you wanted gay's to brake the rules of the military, go against their wishes, and enlist?

How is that bad? Its good lol. In fact Gay people have been saving lives in Iraq.

Because it's illegal. The laws of the military clearly go against that. Do you not realize this? Do you not realize, instead of urging them to help the military, you are urging them to GO AGAINST the militaries wishes and policies?

No you fucking moron. They say that they fought, they did their duty,

No, they didn't. Part of the duty of a service member is to follow the rules.

and that they are people who deserve rights. And Yes I know what a dishonorable discharge is lol.

And do you realize how extremely bad it is? How incredibly serious it is?

Hell its onyl up till my generation that my family has had a male not join the military. My brother. But my cousin is fighting. And hes told me some things. Wow. And after hearing that, the fact that Im pushing for gays to join just shows how much I want them to be accepted. But hey if you dont want that then fine.

No, you don't want them to be accepted. You are urging people to go against the U.S military, and somehow claiming that if you DON'T violate military policy you aren't serving your country.

I read them and you said that they should conseal their sexuality and basically live a lie in order to enlist. I admit that is getting around the army telling gay people not to enlist but it dosen't really solve the big problem

Its a temp solution ok?

Good, so the government should let them save lives then go home to whatever consenting adult they want to

They should but they dont now ok? Im trying to make solutuions and you dumbasses keep saying what the gov should do. GOV IS A FUCK NUTS RETARD! TAKE MATTERS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS!

Are the lols supposed to make you sound witty or are you just at that stage where anything you do that annoys older people amuses you?

The lols are for when people really annoy me or are just so retarded that it makes me want to kill.
Its what gets me through my day when I deal with broken records like you.

At 8/29/07 03:37 AM, TheReno wrote:

Its a temp solution ok?

No. Breaking military law is not a "temp solution". It's outright fucking defience.

They should but they dont now ok? Im trying to make solutuions and you dumbasses keep saying what the gov should do. GOV IS A FUCK NUTS RETARD! TAKE MATTERS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS!

Once again, you claim that gays should violate military law, and that if they aren't they aren't "serving" the military. Get this through your head; the people who are banned from service do not "serve" the military by violating the will of the military.

The lols are for when people really annoy me or are just so retarded that it makes me want to kill.
Its what gets me through my day when I deal with broken records like you.

Lol, your a tool lol. Lol, I can tell your some little punk who has never talked with a recruiter before or been to voluntary military training sessions, lol. Get this through your thick skull, lol; when my superiors tell me to do something, I fucking do it. If my future commander tells me not to do it, I DON'T do it. If you are to tell me that I should "serve my country" by disobeying a direct order, you are wrong. By NOT serving, gay's are serving their country by following the will of the army. The army tells them not to enlist, and they don't; that's doing what the military say's.

No. Breaking military law is not a "temp solution". It's outright fucking defience.

Look. If they save lives, and do a great job, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE!

Once again, you claim that gays should violate military law, and that if they aren't they aren't "serving" the military. Get this through your head; the people who are banned from service do not "serve" the military by violating the will of the military.

I dont want them to serve the military. I want them to serve America. And in doing so proving they deserve equal rights as much as we do.

Lol, your a tool lol. Lol, I can tell your some little punk who has never talked with a recruiter before or been to voluntary military training sessions, lol. Get this through your thick skull, lol; when my superiors tell me to do something, I fucking do it. If my future commander tells me not to do it, I DON'T do it. If you are to tell me that I should "serve my country" by disobeying a direct order, you are wrong. By NOT serving, gay's are serving their country by following the will of the army. The army tells them not to enlist, and they don't; that's doing what the military say's.

Yes I have talked to a recruiter. He told me the military was a magical place filled with big breasted women and lots of sex. Well thats how the presentation went down at school lol. As to the training sessions no. And you know what. Fuck off ok? Refer back to the top of this post for your awnser.

At 8/29/07 03:51 AM, TheReno wrote:

Look. If they save lives, and do a great job, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE!

How many times can you miss a point? You claimed they needed to serve their country by enlisting. Obviously that meant that they needed to serve the army. Yet the army is specifically saying, do not join. Which means that by joining, they are defying the military. Which means that by joining, THEY ARE NOT SERVING THE MILITARY.

I dont want them to serve the military. I want them to serve America. And in doing so proving they deserve equal rights as much as we do.

Yet as we both know, when you said "serve their country" you meant "serve the military". You sure as hell aren't asking them to pick up litter.

Yes I have talked to a recruiter. He told me the military was a magical place filled with big breasted women and lots of sex. Well thats how the presentation went down at school lol. As to the training sessions no. And you know what. Fuck off ok? Refer back to the top of this post for your awnser.

No. I'm not going to fuck off. You clearly have no idea what it takes to "serve" your country. It's not about enlisting, it's about the orders, and promoting the will of both your direct commander and the army as a whole. When a person who legally cannot enlist does so anyway's, this is defiance. Defying the military =/= serving it. I suggest that, before making such broad, retarded claims such as that gays need to "serve" their country by breaking the laws of it, you serve it yourself.

Okay, here's what I'm getting: You want gay people to serve America/the Army, and everybody tells you that they are in fact already doing so, but you say that it's "not enough". You say that they should hide their gayness to avoid being dismissed from the army, but at the same time in some way they should let people know that they're gay, and in the army. Or saving people. Being gay and not saying so or being "in the army" while being gay despite that they can't be in the army if they're gay. So you're advocating for gay guerrilla forces of US mercenaries?

I mean, seriously. There are tons of gay people in the US army, thousands and thousands of homo-soldiers, and they get shot and save people and bleed and shoot terrorists.
And gays haven't had it "so much easier" than other minorities when it comes to their struggle for civil rights. Just ask the kids that still get their heads obliterated by the business ends of baseball bats for being caught "in the act" in gay-hostile enviroments.

How many times can you miss a point? You claimed they needed to serve their country by enlisting. Obviously that meant that they needed to serve the army. Yet the army is specifically saying, do not join. Which means that by joining, they are defying the military. Which means that by joining, THEY ARE NOT SERVING THE MILITARY.

I got your point Cpt. Jackass. And frankly I dont care now cause you are a brainwashed military ass slave. If I want to hear propaganda then I will listen to bush speak.

Yet as we both know, when you said "serve their country" you meant "serve the military". You sure as hell aren't asking them to pick up litter.

No. I meant serve in the military.

No. I'm not going to fuck off. You clearly have no idea what it takes to "serve" your country. It's not about enlisting, it's about the orders, and promoting the will of both your direct commander and the army as a whole. When a person who legally cannot enlist does so anyway's, this is defiance. Defying the military =/= serving it. I suggest that, before making such broad, retarded claims such as that gays need to "serve" their country by breaking the laws of it, you serve it yourself.

Because I fight the good fight here. I instill into us americans that we should be loyal and nice to our fellow man. I help out the homeless every single year during the winter. I know its not exactly life endangering work but its something. At least I give a damn. But no you want me to die for my country then I will. When this country demands it. And it hasnt yet.

At 8/29/07 03:08 AM, TheReno wrote: Everyone has to go through some sort of hardship. And yours is the easy one.

FUCK. YOU.

At 8/29/07 04:20 AM, fli wrote:

At 8/29/07 03:08 AM, TheReno wrote: Everyone has to go through some sort of hardship. And yours is the easy one.

FUCK. YOU.

Its true. If you can name one group of peoples who had to earn their rights but had it easier then you then please tell me.

At 8/29/07 04:25 AM, TheReno wrote:
Its true. If you can name one group of peoples who had to earn their rights but had it easier then you then please tell me.

They were fucking blamed for AIDS. You call being branded a plaugebearer easy?

At 8/29/07 04:11 AM, TheReno wrote:

I got your point Cpt. Jackass. And frankly I dont care now cause you are a brainwashed military ass slave. If I want to hear propaganda then I will listen to bush speak.

A classic way of avoiding the fact that your point was proven wrong; try to identify a reason why the presenter is personally incorrect.

Face it; you where wrong. You implied gay's should join the army to "serve their country", obviously unaware that that would lead to a dishonerable discharge. Instead of addressing the fact that you where wrong, and that joining the military when you are on a banned list "serves" it as much as smoking pot serves the police, you instead tried to make a point that they SHOULDN'T be banned, when that is neither here nor there.

No. I meant serve in the military.

Now your contradicting yourself. You just claimed you DIDN'T want them in the military, now you're claiming otherwise. Make up your damn mind.

Because I fight the good fight here.

No. You idiotically identify breaking the law as serving it.

I instill into us americans that we should be loyal and nice to our fellow man. I help out the homeless every single year during the winter. I know its not exactly life endangering work but its something. At least I give a damn. But no you want me to die for my country then I will. When this country demands it. And it hasnt yet.

And you just won the award for saying the most individual words without managing to bring up a point.

At 8/29/07 04:25 AM, TheReno wrote:

At 8/29/07 04:20 AM, fli wrote:

At 8/29/07 03:08 AM, TheReno wrote: Everyone has to go through some sort of hardship. And yours is the easy one.

FUCK. YOU.

Its true. If you can name one group of peoples who had to earn their rights but had it easier then you then please tell me.

Yes because it´s sooooooo wondering if the people who you love like your mother, father, sibblings and your friends will ostracized once you come out.

And if the people whom loved you don't accept you, you may even worry they may even maim you.

Because it´s fun to live double lives, acting straight and voting Conservative Republican but DYING inside because there is, literally, no happiness in your life.... settling for less than healthy and sane relationships with your counter part.

It´s so great because then... other races, who despite their historical struggles, such as the Blacks (... Correta Scott King´s niece, anyone?" are perhaps the most vocal against equality for gays.

Oh, and it's so great that face such nice people like you who are just culturally ignorant, thinking that being less than equal citizens is such a wonderful cake walk.

To be totally ignored most of the time in history books. Such as being, literally, not even recognized as victims of the Holacaust... the lowest of the caste. Despite the fact that gays weren't even allowed the "luxury" of being toasted in ovens because that would end their suffering way too soon, because Nazis had specific orders to extend the Pink Triangle's suffering.

Because it's so nice that, after all that time... even the surviving Jews, despite sharing their history, think that you're scum.

Because it's so great to be compared to pedophiles, zoo-philes, necropheliacs, and incest-makers.

YES... friggin cake walk for us we gays... why, we´re just skipping through it all in our pink caprice pants and pink tank tops while holding hands underneath a beautiful rainbow.

You are a serious idiot.
Every sufferage is unique, and none of them are "easy."

Seriously. When you pipe a hot steamy sentence from your mouth, you're drawing in flies. You don't even know what the hell you're argueeing about since your argument was, "gays need to serve," and people are telling you that they're already are.

"Ain't enough."

Jaysuskrist!
Easier said than done. Look, I know what's it's like to be gay. And Lady Grace is right. Soldiers do know, sometimes intuitively, when a fellow caddette is gay but are tolerant enough to let it pass. But there's always that fear. I know because I used have a Marine as a lover when I was 17, and he told me it's okay... but you got to be careful. And if you cross beyond their threshold... its hell to pay.

I believe gay people ought to serve, IF THEY WISH and IF THEY CONSENT. Not to prove any dipshit that "they deserve it." (Although, those rights are already deserved if you consider the previous hardships of culturally gay people.)

But I believe that if a gay guy doesn't care about the armed forces because they realize how shitty it is to be in a country that's either delaying gay rights or trying to enhance anti-gay sentiment, then I understand them. Totally.

Nobody needs to love America. Only thing they have to do is try to live in it.

At 8/29/07 03:08 AM, TheReno wrote:

Then get the fuck out lol. Im very big on respecting my freedom to say what I want and to belive what I want.

But you want to restrict the gay peoples right to say what they want.

98% of people in the military are in fact gay some go so far as to have wives or girlfriends to cover it up. it is the fucking straight people not holding up their end. Prove me wrong.

Oh and to Thereno, Flame more.

At 8/29/07 03:08 AM, TheReno wrote: Like I said, Everyone has to go through some sort of hardship. And yours is the easy one. I know that sounds retarded but its true. Just look at what every other kind of people had to go through.

Gays have been discriminated against for a VERY long time. And I don't mean for a couple of decades, I mean hundreds of years. For a long time, if anyone came out openly and admitted their homosexuality, they'd be ostracized, and likely the victim of violence.

At 8/29/07 01:37 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: keep them out we dont need them anyways they dont need to have sodomy and vanariel dieses spreading around .

And straight people don't cary any diseases (rhetorical question).

At 8/28/07 11:49 PM, TheReno wrote: Look, I dont give a damn if right now your not allowed to marry. I dont. You should still fight for your country. Why? Cause you enjoy your freedom. Thats why your able to be gay. Freedom.

You do realize that some states still have anti-sodomy laws, right?

It's not like the US is the lone safe haven for gays or anything.

At 8/29/07 01:54 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: stfu noob go make up a another chapter for your little story.

What a mature response.

At 8/29/07 01:37 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: keep them out we dont need them anyways they dont need to have sodomy and vanariel dieses spreading around .

Actually, the main source of VD in the military has historically come from straight servicemen who would go out when they were on leave, and bang the local whores in third-world countries.

You would think that if it was costing them so much money to kick gays out of the military, they would stop doing it and let them serve. Ignorance is not only reducing the numbers of people serving in the military, but it's also costing the taxpayers an assload of money.

Don't they still have don't ask don't tell?

At 8/29/07 05:10 AM, fli wrote: Because it's so nice that, after all that time... even the surviving Jews, despite sharing their history, think that you're scum.

I do?

Anyways, TheReno. Try getting this little statement that you might have heard somewhere before into your thick, dumb skull: ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. CREATED equal. Know what that means? That means that every American automatically has the same rights as every other American. No minority group has to "prove" anything to get their rights.

I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR!

At 8/29/07 03:17 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: AHH heres another thingie I found in WIki

Homosexuality is incompatible with military service. The presence in the military environment of persons who engage in homosexual conduct or who, by their statements, demonstrate a propensity to engage in homosexual conduct, seriously impairs the accomplishment of the military mission. The presence of such members adversely affects the ability of the armed forces to maintain discipline, good order, and morale; to foster mutual trust and confidence among service members; to insure the integrity of the system of rank and command; to facilitate assignment and worldwide deployment of service members who frequently must live and work in close conditions affording minimal privacy; to recruit and retain members of the armed forces; to maintain the public acceptability of military service; and to prevent breaches of security.

That doesn't sound like something the Military wrote up as an excuse for not letting gays into the army (openly anyways). No offense to you of course. It's like if a straight man where fighting in a company of all women. I doubt he would be that distracted by them when placed in a life threatening situation such as war.