Well, well....

[Ninja-Scientist]

It looks like the US, who went to war with Iraq because they were possibly going against UN sanctions/resolutions, now suddenly wants the sanctions removed. And guess which sanctions those are? The oil sanctions.

Who could have possibly predicted that?

(France maybe? lol)

We went to war with a country because we "cared oh so much" about the breaking of UN rules.....now that we own the country, we want those rules removed. Surprise Surprise.

http://channels.netscape.com/n...ry/0001/20030508/171225780.htm

[Ted-Easton]

Not to mention the lack of WMD and that America wants to be exempted from war crimes.

And falsified "proof".
http://www.yahoo.com/s/15341

[Shangui]

If you look at recent american history, or politics in general for that matter, all wars have secret, usually selfish, goals that are never told, but we usually are able to guess them. In fact, George W. Bush could care less about citizens of any country other then America.

The "Axis of evil" is just something he created to have a reason to take over middle east and its natural ressources. If their was no oil in Iraq, Saddam could have killed all of his population without Bush even looking in that direction. Sad but true.

[mikehrt]

Weren't the sanctions against Iraq a result of Saddam's leadership? I don't see a reason not to lift all sanctions from Iraq. BTW, it will be really hard for a middle eastern country to stabilize itself without the ability to market it's oil. It's not like they can grow their own food for survival.

[bumcheekcity]

At 7/6/03 09:44 PM, Shangui wrote: If you look at recent american history, or politics in general for that matter, all wars have secret, usually selfish, goals that are never told, but we usually are able to guess them. In fact, George W. Bush could care less about citizens of any country other then America.

Is that could or couldn't care less?

The "Axis of evil" is just something he created to have a reason to take over middle east and its natural ressources. If their was no oil in Iraq, Saddam could have killed all of his population without Bush even looking in that direction. Sad but true.

Very true. Robert Muagbe has no oil, so he can continue to opress his people.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/6/03 09:49 PM, mikehrt wrote: Weren't the sanctions against Iraq a result of Saddam's leadership? I don't see a reason not to lift all sanctions from Iraq. BTW, it will be really hard for a middle eastern country to stabilize itself without the ability to market it's oil. It's not like they can grow their own food for survival.

Firstly, the "oil for food" program made it so that they wouldn't have to "grow their own food for survival." Basically, they can sell oil freely, but would only get food, supplies, material, etc. etc. etc. in return. Just not cold hard cash (basically, they got what they needed, the UN just wanted to make sure where that money went to). BTW. There are more ways Iraq makes money than on oil. Actually, they were doing pretty good on that program, so it's strange that it would suddenly be lifted once the US would be sure to benefit from it financially.
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The US broke UN regulations just 20 years ago by GIVING Saddam himself WMD and biological weapons just so that the US's oil trade would be protected in the Iranian Crisis. Also, Russia broke UN resolutions too, by purchasing oil from Iraq with cash. However, the US wasn' t one to complain, since they got much of that oil from Russia as part of the bargain.

What I'm saying is that, while the resolutions were started as an attack against Saddam, they weren't upheld that way. Saddam had little to do with the US's concern for upholding UN resolutions, considering that the US broke those same resolutions every chance it got, whenever it could benefit financially from the situation.
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In any case, I don't believe that the US is lifting the sanctions for the "good of the Iraqi people"......and would "just happen" to make billions of billions of dollars off the result. Who could have seen that coming? Good thing they "didn't mean for it to happen," otherwise that would seem pretty shady, huh? lol. If they really cared, then don't you think they'd get out of Iraq, appologize to them for bombing their country and then not finding WMD, and then let the Iraq people make the money off the removed sanctions?

[TheShrike]

Well, I can see why it isn't much of a surprise, but on the other hand, Saddam isn't around to steal all the profits.

Now we have rummy for that.

[Shangui]

At 7/7/03 12:03 AM, bumcheekycity wrote: Is that could or couldn't care less?

couldn't, sorry for the mistake.

[TheMeEvan]

You people know nothing, You have wasted so much time talking about this and you haven't gone anywhere with it

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 7/8/03 06:11 PM, MetalHitler wrote: You people know nothing, You have wasted so much time talking about this and you haven't gone anywhere with it

Where are we supposed to assume you gain your authority in determining what people know and do not know? Especially considering that you yourself ironically failed to elaborate or "go anywhere" with your point of view, after you criticised ours.

lol. Bye.

At 7/8/03 06:11 PM, MetalHitler wrote: You people know nothing, You have wasted so much time talking about this and you haven't gone anywhere with it

And you are a walking revolution/encyclopedia?

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/8/03 06:11 PM, MetalHitler wrote: You people know nothing, You have wasted so much time talking about this and you haven't gone anywhere with it

You are one cocky ass mother fucker Hitler, No wonder why your so pissed. Your "idol" is on display in a russian museum and the race of people you tried to exterminate is quickly becoming a world power with Nuclear capabilities.

[JMHX]

At 7/8/03 06:11 PM, MetalHitler wrote: You people know nothing, You have wasted so much time talking about this and you haven't gone anywhere with it

Well, I must bow down to you, sir, since I see you have single handedly carried the debate on Iraq to the extremes where our small brains could no longer comprehend. Oh, wait, no you didn't.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/9/03 01:45 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

Well, I must bow down to you, sir, since I see you have single handedly carried the debate on Iraq to the extremes where our small brains could no longer comprehend. Oh, wait, no you didn't.

How dare you insult the retared. Don't you know the can't think normal? It is not his problem he has a dildo wedged up his ass so far it is cutting cirulation to his brain.

[JMHX]

At 7/9/03 01:47 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote:

At 7/9/03 01:45 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

Well, I must bow down to you, sir, since I see you have single handedly carried the debate on Iraq to the extremes where our small brains could no longer comprehend. Oh, wait, no you didn't.

How dare you insult the retared. Don't you know the can't think normal? It is not his problem he has a dildo wedged up his ass so far it is cutting cirulation to his brain.

Come now, that was just in bad taste, DarkCrystal. You can't use large words like that around him. Mine must just seem like random arrangements of letters to him.

[DarkCyrstal]

True, True, i think you warped his little brain into peices. Ohh well, he is gone and we shall celebrate. What can we expect from a jerkoff who has "If i punched your mother as a quote"

[JMHX]

Back on the subject before TEH CANADIAN finds out about the derailment. I think that it's pretty clear now, if for nothing more than the utter lack of WMD's and the slowly leaking knowledge that the evidence we used -- while wrong -- was used many times, especially during the State of the Union...it's pretty clear that the United States entered this war for just as much, if not more of its own benefit than the people of Iraq, who are now still at lower electricity, medication, food, and water levels than pre-war.

[mysecondstar]

the fact of the matter is that the US will take no chances when it comes to weapons that can kill thousands at a time. probable cause, however insufficient, would be cause enough to diffuse a regime that is associated with the creation of such technology. this, however, does come with a double standards. only those that are not in good standing with the US, such as the "Axis of Evil", will have to face the raining firey brimstone that is the US air arsenal at the least.

Here's the funny part: If Saddam does have any WMDs left, they were either bought with America's money or built using America's money to cover production costs.

[mysecondstar]

At 7/9/03 08:42 AM, _crossbreed_ wrote: Here's the funny part: If Saddam does have any WMDs left, they were either bought with America's money or built using America's money to cover production costs.

let's not forget the US let Osama run around too.

[Shangui]

At 7/9/03 03:02 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

:I think that it's pretty clear now, if for nothing more than the utter lack of WMD's and the slowly leaking knowledge that the evidence we used -- while wrong -- was used many times, especially during the State of the Union...it's pretty clear that the United States entered this war for just as much, if not more of its own benefit than the people of Iraq, who are now still at lower electricity, medication, food, and water levels than pre-war.

What would you expect ? Bush has a wierd way of helping people. I'm sure all the people of Iraq were grateful that the US military bombed their houses and killed their friends and relative. The only reason Bush ever had to attack Saddam was gaining control of Iraq and it's ressources. He didnt care for the Iraqi people or WMDs, he simply needed an excuse. Between you and me, if his only problem was Saddam, he could have sent a sniper long ago to kill him.

[JMHX]

The problem with that solution is that it's excessively hard to pull off, and the chances that one of his sons would simply fill his shoes and continue on were greater than the odds of the regime falling by one bullet.