Racist people like Ron Paul?

[Syphonik]

I've read somewhere that Ron Paul has been known to make racial remarks and show hatred towards black people. Now if this is true, why do people like him so much?

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 02:30 AM, Syphonik wrote: I've read somewhere that Ron Paul has been known to make racial remarks and show hatred towards black people. Now if this is true, why do people like him so much?

Because Racism isn't a campaign issue.

Personally, I hate him because the moron thinks we shouldn't have Taxes.

[Syphonik]

At 8/25/07 02:50 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

At 8/25/07 02:30 AM, Syphonik wrote: I've read somewhere that Ron Paul has been known to make racial remarks and show hatred towards black people. Now if this is true, why do people like him so much?

Because Racism isn't a campaign issue.

Personally, I hate him because the moron thinks we shouldn't have Taxes.

It isn't?

Because I sure as hell wouldn't want someone in office who's racist.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 02:58 AM, Syphonik wrote:

Because I sure as hell wouldn't want someone in office who's racist.

Then you clearly have no idea on what makes a president, and would rather have someone in office based on how "cool of a guy" they are then what they can do for the nation.

"What's that? God is competing with the Devil to be president? And god will give us all wealth and harmony if elected, whilst Satan will murder our children and sell us as slaves? I hear gods racist, give me Satan!"

[Gunter45]

At 8/25/07 02:58 AM, Syphonik wrote: Because I sure as hell wouldn't want someone in office who's racist.

There have been people celebrated in office for racism. Even in this day and age. The funny thing is that they tend to be Democrats. All this diversity crap and affirmative action is all racist. Can somebody try to tell me that's not preferential treatment based on race?

So I guess racism isn't really too detrimental in politics.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 05:26 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

There have been people celebrated in office for racism. Even in this day and age. The funny thing is that they tend to be Democrats.

The funny thing is that that only tends to be true when dealing with the Dixiecrats in the 50's and 60's.

All this diversity crap and affirmative action is all racist. Can somebody try to tell me that's not preferential treatment based on race?

Yes, I can.

Diversity is not preferential treatment based on race.

So I guess racism isn't really too detrimental in politics.

Yeps.

[Gunter45]

At 8/25/07 05:48 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

All this diversity crap and affirmative action is all racist. Can somebody try to tell me that's not preferential treatment based on race?

Yes, I can.

Diversity is not preferential treatment based on race.

So, it's no problem to give preferential college enrollment or employment based on race only if it's to put more minorities in colleges and workplaces?

Don't throw around useless buzzwords, especially when you're supporting racism by doing so.

[Syphonik]

At 8/25/07 05:26 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

At 8/25/07 02:58 AM, Syphonik wrote: Because I sure as hell wouldn't want someone in office who's racist.

There have been people celebrated in office for racism. Even in this day and age. The funny thing is that they tend to be Democrats. All this diversity crap and affirmative action is all racist. Can somebody try to tell me that's not preferential treatment based on race?

So I guess racism isn't really too detrimental in politics.

I think you have it all mixed up.

How can the Democrats be racist when they have been the one's doing the most for minorities?

And don't tell me they are racist against their own race either.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 8/25/07 02:50 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Personally, I hate him because the moron thinks we shouldn't have Taxes.

What? Where do you get your information?

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 06:05 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

So, it's no problem to give preferential college enrollment or employment based on race only if it's to put more minorities in colleges and workplaces?

That's called "Racial Preference". The word you just typed was "Diversity".

That's like saying "Can you tell me The Iraq was hasn't killed millions of Jews?", and when the other person says it hasn't, you counter with "So Hitler killing countless Jews in ovens isn't bad?". The obvious issue is that, simply enough, your second statement is wildly different then your first.

Oh, and Racial Preference is now illegal.

Don't throw around useless buzzwords, especially when you're supporting racism by doing so.

Actually, If I do remember, you're the one who used the word "Diversity" in the first place. Have a nice day.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 08:58 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

What? Where do you get your information?

The Colbert interview of him wanting to abolish the U.N and I.R.S. He seems like a very likable, very funny, very morally driven man, but he would crush the economy. He's someone I would want as a friend, not as a president, and the issue is that when some people see a campaigner with great personallity, they don't make the distinction.

[Gunter45]

At 8/25/07 07:40 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: That's called "Racial Preference". The word you just typed was "Diversity".

That's like saying "Can you tell me The Iraq was hasn't killed millions of Jews?", and when the other person says it hasn't, you counter with "So Hitler killing countless Jews in ovens isn't bad?". The obvious issue is that, simply enough, your second statement is wildly different then your first.

Really, now, then how do you propose we do this "diversity" thing? Are you trying to say that Affirmative Action isn't racial preference? It seems to me that by giving minorities an edge up on white people, simply for being minorities, that's racist. I think it's racist that I got an award for how I did on my PSATs. I got a National Hispanic Merit Scholar award. I got that award because my score was too low to be a National Merit Scholar, but apparently, high enough for a Mexican. I didn't have a calculator even, so is that what this award committee feels is good enough for non-white kids, they're like white kids who are at a disadvantage? And, even while there, a lot of people joked and, some were even serious, about how I didn't even look hispanic. What the hell is that? Just because I have white skin, I can't be hispanic? Last I heard, Spaniards were white and there are a bunch of Mexicans who don't have much native blood in them who are still very white, my family, for instance. So, then, there were some people there who were baffled how a white kid like me could have gotten through the cracks when this was supposed to be for the "underprivileged" darkies.

Go ahead and explain that with your diversity bullshit and tell me that's not racial preference. That award makes me sick.

Actually, If I do remember, you're the one who used the word "Diversity" in the first place. Have a nice day.

And I called it crap, if you'll remember. You used it seriously to justify racism.

[Memorize]

At 8/25/07 07:43 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

The Colbert interview of him wanting to abolish the U.N and I.R.S.

Haha, sounds like a plan to me!

The IRS is greedy.
The UN is a failure.

The IRS supports illegals in the US. Heh, I mean, why the hell else give them workers cards? So they can get money.

The IRS steals quite a bit of money.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 08:09 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

Really, now, then how do you propose we do this "diversity" thing?

You can't "Do" diversity. It isn't a verb. It's the state of being diverse.

Are you trying to say that Affirmative Action isn't racial preference?

I just defined affirmative action as "racial preference". That's where you got that term; me defining affirmative action as such.

It seems to me that by giving minorities an edge up on white people, simply for being minorities, that's racist.

Yes. It's also not diversity.

I think it's racist that I got an award for how I did on my PSATs. I got a National Hispanic Merit Scholar award. I got that award because my score was too low to be a National Merit Scholar, but apparently, high enough for a Mexican.

Good for you. Cookie, a, heres.

I didn't have a calculator even, so is that what this award committee feels is good enough for non-white kids, they're like white kids who are at a disadvantage? And, even while there, a lot of people joked and, some were even serious, about how I didn't even look hispanic. What the hell is that? Just because I have white skin, I can't be hispanic? Last I heard, Spaniards were white and there are a bunch of Mexicans who don't have much native blood in them who are still very white, my family, for instance. So, then, there were some people there who were baffled how a white kid like me could have gotten through the cracks when this was supposed to be for the "underprivileged" darkies.

Well, you just added ANOTHER award to your list; saying the most words without bringing up a single relevent point.

Go ahead and explain that with your diversity bullshit and tell me that's not racial preference. That award makes me sick.

Fine. Once again; diversity is not racial preference. It's nowhere even close to racial preference. It's not a word that anyone with an ounce of logic can define as racial preference. It doesn't even pertain to race.

And I called it crap, if you'll remember.

Which still means you brought up the word.

You used it seriously to justify racism.

The fact that you think racism and diversity are the same thing proves that you have no idea what the definition of either "Racism" or "Diversity" are.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 08:27 PM, Memorize wrote:

Haha, sounds like a plan to me!
The IRS is greedy
The IRS supports illegals in the US. Heh, I mean, why the hell else give them workers cards? So they can get money.
The IRS steals quite a bit of money.

The IRS is also the only way we have a chance of collecting taxes.

The UN is a failure.

It's a necessary failure. No U.N = lot's of problems.

[anime-man10]

At 8/25/07 02:50 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

At 8/25/07 02:30 AM, Syphonik wrote: I've read somewhere that Ron Paul has been known to make racial remarks and show hatred towards black people. Now if this is true, why do people like him so much?

Because Racism isn't a campaign issue.

Personally, I hate him because the moron thinks we shouldn't have Taxes.

Oh,so you enjoy having to paythe government money??I mean, we should have taxes, but low taxes. Not to mention, Ron Paul would legalize Marijuana because the other politicians don't want it legalized because It cant be taxed.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 06:46 AM, Syphonik wrote:

How can the Democrats be racist when they have been the one's doing the most for minorities?

They aren't. Some Republicans like to throw that term around because of the fact that in the Segregation times, Southern Democrats where notoriously pro-segregation. Of course, besides that being years ago, it's pretty misleading, because anytime one refers to southerner pro-segregation Democrats they're supposed to use "Dixiecrats" to make the distinction.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 10:47 PM, anime-man10 wrote:

Oh,so you enjoy having to paythe government money??

... And this is where I stop wasting time reading the post.

No, I don't. I enjoy having little treats like police and fire coverage.

[Gunter45]

At 8/25/07 10:42 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: You can't "Do" diversity. It isn't a verb. It's the state of being diverse.

Do is the verb and no, you don't do diversity, you do the diversity thing and, guess what, it was satirical. Notice how you don't suggest anything, you just say diversity like it absolves racism.

I just defined affirmative action as "racial preference". That's where you got that term; me defining affirmative action as such.

So why even discuss diversity? That's not the issue. I said this is done in the name of diversity. You went ahead and fixated on that because you have absolutely nothing to say on topic. Isn't that right?

Yes. It's also not diversity.

Nope, but my point is that people are being praised for it. Why don't you talk about that instead of being an idiot?

Good for you. Cookie, a, heres.

And guess what. That's racism. The people who were giving me that award, who were elected into office, were being applauded for being racist. Isn't that EXACTLY the issue here? Maybe it would be easier for you to see this if you weren't a moron.

Well, you just added ANOTHER award to your list; saying the most words without bringing up a single relevent point.

Again, it was highly relevant. I don't like being given an award because my race is seen as a handicap to academic performance. Again, I don't use that award, it's a disgrace.

Fine. Once again; diversity is not racial preference. It's nowhere even close to racial preference. It's not a word that anyone with an ounce of logic can define as racial preference. It doesn't even pertain to race.

Yep, so you're admitting that you're not discussing anything on topic. You pulled a word out of what I said, which was used satirically as a means to derail the topic and my point.

Which still means you brought up the word.

And yeah, I did bring it up. Because I said that racist policies have been applauded under the guise of diversity. This is a fact.

The fact that you think racism and diversity are the same thing proves that you have no idea what the definition of either "Racism" or "Diversity" are.

I do? I said that racist policies are being enacted and it's being justified because people have this diversity fetish.

Guess what, race has nothing to do with diversity. Your race is not who you are. I will admit, cultural diversity is important. However, what does race have to do with that? Is it "diversity" to award me simply for having the last name Rodriguez? Elected officials seem to think so and the people who elect them and applaud them for it seem to think so, too.

Why don't you debate me on my points and not on bullshit? Or is it because you know that you have nothing to say to me? You just want to be inflammatory and try to argue over nonsense, is that it?

[Korriken]

At 8/25/07 06:46 AM, Syphonik wrote:

I think you have it all mixed up.

How can the Democrats be racist when they have been the one's doing the most for minorities?

And don't tell me they are racist against their own race either.

despite what the Democrat Shepherds tell you, you CAN be racist against white people!

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 11:04 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

Do is the verb

Yes, and you can't "do" diversity. Diversity is a noun. Just like you cant "do" Beauty, you can't do diversity. Simply enough, theres nothing to "do".

and no, you don't do diversity, you do the diversity thing and, guess what, it was satirical. Notice how you don't suggest anything, you just say diversity like it absolves racism.

I know I didn't suggest anything to "do" diversity. That's because, once again, you CAN'T do diversity. Either something is diverse or it isn't.

So why even discuss diversity? That's not the issue.

You brought it up, Einstein, not me.

I said this is done in the name of diversity.

And what is "this"?

You went ahead and fixated on that because you have absolutely nothing to say on topic Isn't that right?

Well, if you weren't so thick you'd see I already DID post on the topic, smart stuff. After having done that, I replied to your moronic statement that Diversity is racist.

Nope, but my point is that people are being praised for it. Why don't you talk about that instead of being an idiot?

I like how I'm an "idiot" for proving you wrong. Once again; Diversity is not racism. That point is incorrect. If anyones an idiot, it's you for saying otherwise.

And guess what. That's racism.

Yay, heres a second cookie. Getting full yet?

The people who were giving me that award, who were elected into office, were being applauded for being racist.

Ah, heres a third. But that's all mister.

Isn't that EXACTLY the issue here? Maybe it would be easier for you to see this if you weren't a moron.

And if you weren't a moron, you'd see I never disagreed with that point. You just pointed out a fact irrelevent to what I said, and asserted it made me a moron. You're grasping at straws, and so far you've came up empty.

Again, it was highly relevant. I don't like being given an award because my race is seen as a handicap to academic performance. Again, I don't use that award, it's a disgrace.

Yet, once again, that isn't relevent. That's not "diversity", that's racial preference. I said "diversity isn't racist", so anything about anything but diversity is irrelevent. I can fine a LOT of things in the world that are racist, yet unless they are somehow related to diversity they do nothing for your point.

Yep, so you're admitting that you're not discussing anything on topic. You pulled a word out of what I said, which was used satirically as a means to derail the topic and my point.

Actually, I once again had replied to the origional topic. And you didn't use the term "diversity" as sarcasm. Nothing about what you said fits the definition of sarcasm.

And yeah, I did bring it up. Because I said that racist policies have been applauded under the guise of diversity. This is a fact.

Actually, you said that diversity is racist. Try again.

I do? I said that racist policies are being enacted and it's being justified because people have this diversity fetish.

No. You said that Diversity was racist.

Guess what, race has nothing to do with diversity.

Then your claim that diversity is racism fails on an epic level.

Your race is not who you are. I will admit, cultural diversity is important. However, what does race have to do with that? Is it "diversity" to award me simply for having the last name Rodriguez?

No. It's not diversity in the least. Which means you are incorrect is incinuating that it being racist implies diversity being racist.

Elected officials seem to think so and the people who elect them and applaud them for it seem to think so, too.

Christ, fine, a FOURTH COOKIE. You get four cookies, happy?

Why don't you debate me on my points and not on bullshit?

I did. One of your points was that diversity is racist. I debated that. You, instead of debating in return, personally insulted me and kept changing the subject.

Or is it because you know that you have nothing to say to me? You just want to be inflammatory and try to argue over nonsense, is that it?

If you openly admit that what you said was nonsense, why are you attempting to redeem it?

The fact is that you said Diversity is racist. The fact is that Diversity and Racism are completely separate. The fact is that you have done nothing to prove otherwise. The final fact is that you where incorrect in saying diversity is racist, and that I was correct in saying you are wrong.

[Gunter45]

You really like to dance. You've been dancing around this issue all day, huh? You seem to love putting words in my mouth and telling me what I'm trying to say without actually reading it and argue that.

Maybe it's because you know I'm right. I can guarantee you that anybody else who reads what I've written will immediately know what I'm talking about without getting confused like you've been. Is it just because you're a moron or do you just enjoy trying to pretend people said things they didn't? That would make the most sense, because I've said, very explicitly, that people have used diversity as a cover for racism. Meaning that they are not the same thing at all.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 11:29 PM, Gunter45 wrote: You really like to dance. You've been dancing around this issue all day, huh? You seem to love putting words in my mouth and telling me what I'm trying to say without actually reading it and argue that.

How am I dancing around the issue? You made a claim that diversity was racist. I said that's incorrect. It is. Instead of responding to that, you said a bunch of crap about you being mexican and getting awards, none of which has to do with diversity.

Maybe it's because you know I'm right.

No. You aren't. Diversity, in any sense of the word, isn't racist. Need me to get a dictionary?

I can guarantee you that anybody else who reads what I've written will immediately know what I'm talking about without getting confused like you've been.

You said, point blank, diversity is racist. Theres no way to confuse that.

Is it just because you're a moron or do you just enjoy trying to pretend people said things they didn't?

You didn't say diversity was racist?

That would make the most sense, because I've said, very explicitly, that people have used diversity as a cover for racism.

Yes. And before that, you said diversity was racist.

Meaning that they are not the same thing at all.

Then I'm at a loss, if you admit they are different, as to why you would say diversity is racist.

[Gunter45]

At 8/25/07 11:04 PM, Gunter45 wrote: Because I said that racist policies have been applauded under the guise of diversity. This is a fact.

Oh, right. You're absolutely right. I used "racist" and "diversity" in the same sentence. It doesn't matter that I put them in opposing contexts, that doesn't matter.

What does matter is that you still haven't said anything about my point. Care to do that?

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 11:47 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

Oh, right. You're absolutely right. I used "racist" and "diversity" in the same sentence. It doesn't matter that I put them in opposing contexts, that doesn't matter.

A) You just quoted youself.
B) You didn't put them in opposite contexts. You said, point blank, that diversity is racism. Need me to quote?

What does matter is that you still haven't said anything about my point. Care to do that?

Actually, that's all I've been doing. One of your point's was that Diversity was racist. That's false. The other was that affirmative action was racist; as I already said, that's true.

[Gunter45]

At 8/25/07 11:50 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: A) You just quoted youself.
B) You didn't put them in opposite contexts. You said, point blank, that diversity is racism. Need me to quote?

I did quote myself. Saying that people cover their racism by calling it diversity is a complete and utter contrast. Diversity looks good, racism looks bad. That's the whole point. Diversity is an observation, racism is something active.

Actually, that's all I've been doing. One of your point's was that Diversity was racist. That's false. The other was that affirmative action was racist; as I already said, that's true.

Oooohhh. Nice try, but that's okay, you've been more worried about putting words in my mouth than what I have to say, anyway.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/25/07 11:59 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

I did quote myself. Saying that people cover their racism by calling it diversity is a complete and utter contrast. Diversity looks good, racism looks bad. That's the whole point. Diversity is an observation, racism is something active.

You fail to bring up an actual point in that. You still claimed Diversity was racist, and unless you can back that up, you where incorrect.

Oooohhh. Nice try, but that's okay, you've been more worried about putting words in my mouth than what I have to say, anyway.

I ask again; are you denying that you claimed diversity was racist?

[Gunter45]

At 8/26/07 12:09 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: You fail to bring up an actual point in that. You still claimed Diversity was racist, and unless you can back that up, you where incorrect.

I ask again; are you denying that you claimed diversity was racist?

If you want to take everything literally? I said "diversity crap" is racist. I was presupposing everyone had a brain who would read that as it was obviously intended. If that's not enough, I've fully explained what was meant by that.

So, would you like to get to my point now or do you want to be a dumbass and keep arguing semantics and literal quotes instead of what was obviously implied? You're simply trolling and it's retarded. especially when I've already fully explained what "diversity crap" means. You don't have anything to stand on and it's annoying when you're just grasping at some little quote you think you're holding over me. Trust me, it's not the Sword of Damocles you think it is.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/26/07 12:17 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

If you want to take everything literally?

Yes. You obviously were not joking, so please don't go down that route.

I said "diversity crap" is racist. I was presupposing everyone had a brain who would read that as it was obviously intended. If that's not enough, I've fully explained what was meant by that.

Saying that "Diversity crap" is racist is the exact same thing as saying "diversity" is racist. Adding the word "crap" doesn't change the meaning.

So, would you like to get to my point now or do you want to be a dumbass and keep arguing semantics and literal quotes instead of what was obviously implied?

What WAS obviously implied? Because I actually went ahead and asked Memorize (someone who certainly would not cede me a point unless he had to) and he also got the same thing I did.

You're simply trolling and it's retarded.

Christ your full of shit. I am not "trolling". YOU insulted first, NOT me. I responded to the topic starter, and am now replying to what you said. You claimed two things; diversity is racist, affirmative action is racist. I replied to both points.

especially when I've already fully explained what "diversity crap" means.

And you where wrong. You described affirmative action, which is NOT diversity.

You don't have anything to stand on and it's annoying when you're just grasping at some little quote you think you're holding over me.

Some little quote? I'm blatantly proving you wrong. You made a point, I disproved it. By your logic, every debate ever won was a series of "little points".

Trust me, it's not the Sword of Damocles you think it is.

It's half of the points you made. I just proved half of your points wrong. What else would you like me to debate on? I only have what you give me.

[Gunter45]

At 8/26/07 12:25 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Saying that "Diversity crap" is racist is the exact same thing as saying "diversity" is racist. Adding the word "crap" doesn't change the meaning.

When I've made it clear that "diversity crap" is when people are putting this bullshit under the guise of diversity. It's not just affirmative action. People will swallow forced diversity by the bucket load. Yeah, sure, my original quote was ambiguous, but I've made it sufficiently clear.

What WAS obviously implied? Because I actually went ahead and asked Memorize (someone who certainly would not cede me a point unless he had to) and he also got the same thing I did.

How about how racism is applauded when it's for the sake of diversity? I asked someone, too. You do a great job of derailing a point and mucking it up.

Christ your full of shit. I am not "trolling". YOU insulted first, NOT me. I responded to the topic starter, and am now replying to what you said. You claimed two things; diversity is racist, affirmative action is racist. I replied to both points.

You've latched onto one thing I said, refused to acknowledge the explanation and, not just that, ignored the point I was trying to make originally. My whole first post was about how preferential treatment on race was celebrated. It was entirely topical. You've been doing nothing but trying to pin me down on an ambiguous point which has been fully and, entirely logically explained. However, you've succeeded in completely diluting the point.

And you where wrong. You described affirmative action, which is NOT diversity.

And I haven't brought diversity into it? I described affirmative action and I said that it is racism that is under the guise of diversity. Diversity has everything to do with it because it's the sugar-coating that people swallow when politicians shove racism down their throats. I've been saying that, unequivocally when you brought attention to my usage of "diversity crap."

Some little quote? I'm blatantly proving you wrong. You made a point, I disproved it. By your logic, every debate ever won was a series of "little points".

That was far from my point. My point was that racism is being applauded in this nation. You didn't prove me wrong, you got a little quote that was ambiguous and you latched onto what you think it meant and didn't want to hear anything to the contrary.