Michael Vick And The Naacp

[36Holla]

ATLANTA -- An NAACP leader said Michael Vick should be allowed to return to the NFL, preferably the Atlanta Falcons, after serving his sentence for his role in a dogfighting operation.

"As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter. "We further ask the NFL, Falcons, and the sponsors not to permanently ban Mr. Vick from his ability to bring hours of enjoyment to fans all over this country."

White said the Falcons quarterback is a human being who has made a mistake and should be allowed to prove that he has learned from that mistake.

On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and say Vick provided nearly all the gambling and operating funds for the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs, raising the possibility of the animal cruelty charges.

Last month, state and local leaders of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People urged the public not to rush to judgment in the Vick case. The civil rights organization said animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media were vilifying the embattled athlete, and that his team and corporate sponsors were prematurely punishing Vick.

White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty. "You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

White said he regretted that the plea deal will mean all the facts of the case might never be known.

"Some have said things to save their own necks," White said. "Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being."

White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it as bad as hunting.

"His crime is, it was a dog," White said.

So they're saying that even though Vick lied to the head of the NFL, and his fans about his dog fighting activities, which warrants a felony in the US, that he should be allowed to come back and play immediately after he serves his jail sentence.

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[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 8/22/07 03:39 PM, 36Holla wrote: So they're saying that even though Vick lied to the head of the NFL, and his fans about his dog fighting activities, which warrants a felony in the US, that he should be allowed to come back and play immediately after he serves his jail sentence.

This has been hitting the news here in the UK now and again, and I have to say if this guy was a Soccer star here and this came out there would be no way he'd ever get back.

I remember about 10 years ago some other dude came out and admitted he believed in reincarnation - and that was enough to end his career.

Dog fighting is a pretty despicable thing. I don't think this guy should get another chance.

[Memorize]

Sweet, good ol', America Justice...

*vomit*

[36Holla]

At 8/22/07 03:45 PM, ImmoralLibertarian wrote: Dog fighting is a pretty despicable thing. I don't think this guy should get another chance.

The thing is, he will get another chance. Even if he is suspended from the NFL, there are other leagues he can try to join such as the CFL or the AFL.

Vicks career in the NFL is all but over though because even after his suspension from the NFL is lifted, no owner will want him on thier team. They would have to be extremely desperate to sign him and have to deal with all the protesters.

In the end, Vick is going to be playing football again somewhere after all this has blown over.

[ImaSmartass2]

At 8/22/07 03:45 PM, Memorize wrote: Sweet, good ol', America Justice...

*vomit*

For Once I have to Agree with you Memorize.

[36Holla]

At 8/22/07 04:01 PM, KemCab wrote: Because he's black? Is that the only reason why the NAACP's protecting him?

Hit the nail right on the head

[ImaSmartass2]

"Some have said things to save their own necks," White said. "Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed a human being."

So Supporting a sport that kills and tortures thousands of dogs per year isn't as bad as killing a human?

[Gunter45]

At 8/22/07 04:01 PM, KemCab wrote: Because he's black? Is that the only reason why the NAACP's protecting him?

Were he white, he wouldn't even get a second chance.

Racism is pretty cool, isn't it?

[stafffighter]

I can understand beleiving in retribution or allowing someone to return to productive life after having served their time. Those are both very worthwhile ordeals but the fact is that this man has made enough money that he has no dire conserns and is just a high profile black guy who can get their name heard.

[Elfer]

Come on guys, Vick has had a hard life. He has to bust his ass throwing a ball around to entertain people, for little more than millions of dollars and fame in return.

Then, he makes one tiny slip-up that could have happened to any of us, namely setting up and financing a felonious dog fighting operation and killing dogs that weren't vicious enough.

Doesn't he deserve a few more chances???

[Memorize]

I just found it interesting how these guys didn't say a thing when 3 white duke lacross players were accused of raping a black stripper.

[FlurpMonkey]

Well... LaCrosse isn't as widely reported as the NFL. (In the U.S. anyway) And while I can't think of a specific example off the top of my head i'm sure there are thousands of counter examples to the post about a black stripper. It's just that the vast majority of people don't care, so it goes unreported.

[Korriken]

At 8/22/07 04:58 PM, Memorize wrote: I just found it interesting how these guys didn't say a thing when 3 white duke lacross players were accused of raping a black stripper.

oh they did, but they removed it from their website after the case was over.

[Memorize]

At 8/22/07 06:19 PM, Korriken wrote:

oh they did, but they removed it from their website after the case was over.

The Lacross case had much longer media attention, but I didn't seen them so focuses on protecting the 3 players as much as they're doing with Vick. Not even after DNA proved their innocence.

[Memorize]

At 8/22/07 06:26 PM, Memorize wrote:

but I didn't seen them so focuses

*but I didn't see them so focused

Fixed. It was nagging me.

[LabBattle]

At 8/22/07 06:19 PM, Korriken wrote:

The Lacross case had much longer media attention, but I didn't seen them so focuses on protecting the 3 players as much as they're doing with Vick. Not even after DNA proved their innocence.

And those same 3 guys were assumed guilty by the media and faculty of the school way before trial, and even after the DNA and ATM camera evediance came out, there wasnt an outcry for let these guys off, there was an outcry for thier blood, funny how that works huh

[AfroJustice]

naacp is to protect black rights so wuts wrong with they protect a blak man?

[Memorize]

At 8/22/07 06:35 PM, AfroJustice wrote: naacp is to protect black rights so wuts wrong with they protect a blak man?

Because you'd figure that groups created to fight for people's rights would... oh, I don't know, fight for the people's rights.

I mean, it would be different if they just said "We're created to fight for the rights of blacks/hispanics/indians", then I personally wouldn't have a problem with it.

But if they claim to fight to protect the people's rights, but only fight to protect those who are of their race, then it's a little misleading.

[36Holla]

At 8/22/07 06:41 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 8/22/07 06:35 PM, AfroJustice wrote: naacp is to protect black rights so wuts wrong with they protect a blak man?

Its because he can still afford to live a comfortable life even after he gets out of jail. They're treating it as if he'll never be able to work in the same industry ever again after he gets out, but they should know that he will be. Sure he wont get any endorsements, but thats what the majority of pro athletes deal with. You dont see Joey Harrington on any commercials or ads do ya?

[Maragriz]

At 8/22/07 03:55 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote:

At 8/22/07 03:45 PM, Memorize wrote: Sweet, good ol', America Justice...

*vomit*

For Once I have to Agree with you Memorize.

I agree,WE MUST BRING BACK CORPRAL PUNISHMENT

[IllustriousPotentate]

Hell no, he doesn't deserve a second chance.

If you were indicted, plead guilty to a felony, and ended up serving a jail sentence, do you honestly think that your employer would keep you around? Of course not.

When you're being paid millions of dollars annually for doing nothing but playing a game and using some companies' products, there is no valid reason whatsoever why you shouldn't be on your best behavior.

[SousaphoneHero]

This is why I hate our judicial system. For one thing, you could get away with pretty much anything if you have a good enough lawyer.
And even though they say they don't favor stars and such, the fact of the matter is they do. If he was some Joe Nobody he would have gotten a death penalty or life in jail. My God, this pisses me off.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

Yes, he should, or else everyone is a fucking hypocrite. I like how when an NFL linebacker gets shit drunk, runs some one over and kills them, goes to jail for 90 day's, THEN GETS CAUGHT DRUNK DRIVING AGAIN, no one says shit and he comes back. Well, accept MAAD.

Anyway, he's done though; Atlanta had been fed up to no end with him, and this gave them the opportunity to cut him as well as gain back the signing bonus he had left.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/22/07 04:58 PM, Memorize wrote: I just found it interesting how these guys didn't say a thing when 3 white duke lacross players were accused of raping a black stripper.

Because they needed to back up Vick. I was absolutely disgusted in the way the NFL Players Union stabbed Vick in the fucking back and actually spoke out AGAINST him. It's the job of a defense union to defend ANYONE who asks; for example, let's take the Police defense firm (I admittadly forgot their names). They deal not only with the good (some cop facing 30 years in prison because he made an honest mistake and pulled the trigger to soon) but the blatantly guilty, like that moron who's in Prison now who kept setting her dog on everyone for everything, then blatantly lied and said the two most recent ones had drugs.

The point is, you cannot pick and choose on those things. It's the same with the ACLU; you defend ALL civil liberties, regardless. It doesn't matter if someone is protesting a second-ammendment gun ban in their city or protesting that the police keep arresting him for fondling himself in public, if it's a matter of civil liberty you take it.

[Korriken]

At 8/22/07 10:46 PM, KemCab wrote:

And it's even hard to get a job if you're convicted with a felony.

Moral of the story? don't commit felonies! the NAACP is backing him up because he has all the requirements of the NAACP's support. Black + money = NAACP support. Black + no money = minimal NAACP support (only in high profile cases, otherwise, NAACP does not care). non black + money = no support. non black + no money = no support.

Vick KNEW that he was committing a crime, he KNEW that dog fighting was wrong. he KNEW he was harming and killing dogs for his own amusement and profit. I have no sympathy for this man, he should get what he gave the dogs, hang em, then drown em. or put em in a pit with another convicted dog fighter and make them fight to the death.

[Gunter45]

At 8/22/07 10:33 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: Yes, he should, or else everyone is a fucking hypocrite. I like how when an NFL linebacker gets shit drunk, runs some one over and kills them, goes to jail for 90 day's, THEN GETS CAUGHT DRUNK DRIVING AGAIN, no one says shit and he comes back. Well, accept MAAD.

Care to provide a source, I don't remember any football players have committed manslaughter or worse and then came back to the NFL.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/23/07 12:16 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

Care to provide a source, I don't remember any football players have committed manslaughter or worse and then came back to the NFL.

Only if you tell me I'm a pretty little girl.

Hell, Jamal Lewis got busted DEALING and no one cares. If Vick wants back in, I'd say let him. Of course, who would want them? A Q.B with a lifetime QB rating of 75 asking for 6 million a year isn't too appealing.

[onelegedbandit]

just thinking about what he has done to all thos dogs makes me cringe. how the fuck could anyone do that to another living being... i hear at worst this bitch gets 5 years in jail and 250,000 fine and maybe a lifetime ban from the NFL.... thats a fucking slap on the wrist....

THIS BITCH NEEDS TO BE KILLED

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 8/23/07 01:12 AM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote:

At 8/23/07 12:16 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

Only if you tell me I'm a pretty little girl.

It says he was aquitted of the second drunken driving law.

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

At 8/24/07 11:37 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

It says he was aquitted of the second drunken driving law.

He bombed a breathalizer miserably, and was arrested. For some technicallity I can't remember (I got this all on an ESPN.Com article I can't find) the original breathalizer was thrown out, the second done by a seperate officer wasn't considered official, and he had refused a third one at the police station. He got off the same way Simpson got off and Pacman is going to get off; being a famous NFL player.