Possible troop deployment?

[Dante]

i just heard that US troops may be deployed to liberia,which has been under a civil war for the past 14 years. the cause is (i think) the liberian presidents failure to comply with bush's request to step down from power. the liberian president siezed power back in i think the 80s or 90s. what is your opinion on this. i think we should give the troops a break. i mean we just got out of a war a couple months ago do we REALLY need another military conflict so soon?

[Commander-K25]

The cause is America's historical ties as defender of Liberia and the fact that the Liberian people are demanding American intervention. It's a nasty civil war that President Taylor has already lost, but won't admit it. He only controls a portion of the capital city, Monrovia.

Pres. Bush didn't demand that he step down from power or military action would be taken, he gave a piece of advice from one leader to another. Taylor doesn't seem to know when it's time to go because he's only hurting his own people by staying.

This civil war is over, with or without American troops.

[TheTio]

Well!!!!!!
not much really, I am usually gonna rant about these kinda things, but I dont see much wrong here, it needs to be sorted, and unless theres some strange fuckups and slaughters it all seems fine to me

[DarkCyrstal]

I doubt that the US will step in this close after the war with Iraq. It will look like the Bush Admin. is very war-mongering and could hurt his chances for re-election in 2004.

[Commander-K25]

Taylor was offered asylum in Nigeria, but rejected.

I think that Liberia may be the exception to the African political madness as far as the U.S. is concerned. We could get involved without incurring another Somalia because they respect and look up to us.

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For nearly all of its history since declaring statehood in 1847, Liberia has looked to America as its godfather and guide. Even now, Liberians almost universally revere and respect the United States.

Even many of the drugged and drunk teenagers who do the bulk of the fighting for Taylor and the two rebel groups battling to oust him say they yearn for U.S. soldiers in the streets to end the undisciplined skirmishes that frequently seem as likely to result in friendly fire deaths as enemy killings.

"We welcome the Americans. We see them as our role models. The process will be peaceful as long as their mandate is not to take sides," said a soldier at a Monrovia roadblock, a Kalashnikov strapped across his chest. The soldier didn't give his name.

Zayzay Kollie, a 41-year-old Monrovia resident, said Liberian factions would respect a U.S. military presence on the ground: "I don't foresee a situation where any side will unduly confront an American force coming here."

-from Liberia looks to role-model U.S. for help

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[DarkCyrstal]

NO!!!

[JMHX]

Didn't Taylor just recently accept asylum? I thought I read that on a news page somewhere. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, whether we go in or not, this is one of the few military actions that President Bush has my support on, only because Kofi Annan and the Liberians have been on us about it.

[Lyddiechu]

GAH WHAT THE FUCK????? MY SISTER GOES TO PUBLIC SCHOOL THEY NEED THEIR FUCKING TEXTBOOKS WE DONT NEED ANOTHER GODDAMN WAR!!!!!!

[DarkCyrstal]

There isn't goign to be a war. The leader was supposed and will step down. He knows his defeat, he trying to by time for he will, face the enivitable

[JMHX]

At 7/9/03 02:19 AM, DarkCyrstal wrote: There isn't goign to be a war. The leader was supposed and will step down. He knows his defeat, he trying to by time for he will, face the enivitable

Of course, I don't know of the mental stability of a man named Charles Taylor running LIBERIA.

[Lyddiechu]

*groan* there goes my boyfriend and my tax dollars. motherfuckers.

[DarkCyrstal]

The Mighty US can and will take on the Power of Liberia. (Or a civil war torn country, without proper leadership, split apart by civil war.)

In a situation like this, there will probably be no invasion, or bombings. Probably be worked out diplomatically, or hire an Italian Assassin.

[Lyddiechu]

the us never really does things the way that would be easiest for the military, they do things the way that will win the reelection for the president.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/9/03 02:27 AM, Lyddiechu wrote: the us never really does things the way that would be easiest for the military, they do things the way that will win the reelection for the president.

I think Bush has it pretty safe in 2004, it would be pretty hard for him to fuck up that bad now. and Bush has the smarts, it aint going to happen. That is unless he is cought sleeping with his intern.

[Lyddiechu]

AAAAHHHRGHHHH WERE ALL FUCKED! *sigh* i hope bush gets umm.. taken out of commission somehow. it would really do the nation and the entire world a tremendous amount of good. go ahead get the cia to come knock at my fucking door, but i hope bush loses the election and then is made unable to hold any office or any political power ever again in his pitiful existence.

[JudgeDredd]

hmm.. just as well as the American Forces will likely support Rebel Forces ousting Government Forces, otherwise they would be faced with killing a child army.

Bush quote; "the Nation of Africa is plagued by Aids.."

hehe.. if Bush had his way, Africa would become "1 Nation" (a fedral state just like America no less ;)

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/9/03 02:39 AM, Judge_Dredd wrote: hmm.. just as well as the American Forces will likely support Rebel Forces ousting Government Forces, otherwise they would be faced with killing a child army.

Bush quote; "the Nation of Africa is plagued by Aids.."

hehe.. if Bush had his way, Africa would become "1 Nation" (a fedral state just like America no less ;)

That would be creepy, Africa, one nation? That country would be pulled down the shit hole soo fast.

[Lyddiechu]

waht africa isnt down the shithole already?? i cant really see how it could get much worse...

[JMHX]

Actually, at the risk of sounding a fool, in theory I could see a benefit to Africa being one nation and its countries being states. If they could survive without civil war (which I don't believe is possible anymore in most of the African nations) they might be able to pull off quite a nation. Though, when you look at reality, you notice how really screwed Africa is because of everything that has happened and the ravaging effect AIDS has had on them.

[Lyddiechu]

that would be incredibly awesome if you could make it work, but the only way i think you could get all the tribes there to stop slaughtering each other would be to have some sort of "parlimentary" (in name only) empire sort of deal. there is no way a democracy would work in founding that sort of thing, it just wouldnt be strict or powerful enough. there would need to be an era of a rule of terror to instill order and obedience first before a transfer to a free society.

[JMHX]

At 7/9/03 06:41 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: that would be incredibly awesome if you could make it work, but the only way i think you could get all the tribes there to stop slaughtering each other would be to have some sort of "parlimentary" (in name only) empire sort of deal. there is no way a democracy would work in founding that sort of thing, it just wouldnt be strict or powerful enough. there would need to be an era of a rule of terror to instill order and obedience first before a transfer to a free society.

I think any form of single government in Africa would be nearly impossible without major changes that no governments in the world are willing to begin making. I'm talking about redrawing all of the national borders to the specifications of the tribal groups so that the damage caused by England and the European natons (much like in the middle east) is undone. Then there might be a slim chance of organizing things, but I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

[Lyddiechu]

At 7/9/03 06:43 PM, BaKsHi wrote: i hope some of us become good presidents of african nations in the next decade! :)

well considering we are all silly white kids from the US and europe, i doubt it will happen. ah well, diplomatic corps here i come!! BWHAHAHA THE FOREIGN POLICY MAKERS SHALL FEEL MY WRATH ONCE I INVADE YOUR THINK TANKS IWTH MY LIBERAL WISCONSIN MADISON TRAINED IDEALS MHEHEHEHE

uh yeah.. im overly excited since i was just getting my academic schedule together for freshman year. my islamic studies teacher's name has 3 parts that all begin with M and have about 7 syllables each. he must be authentic.. right??

[JMHX]

At 7/9/03 06:43 PM, BaKsHi wrote: i hope some of us become good presidents of african nations in the next decade! :)

Actually, I hope we get some good leaders in our nation (assuming the majority of people posting in this thread are from America, anyway) that aren't afraid to make suggestions like that. People who are worried more about the state of the world than the state of their careers. But that's rare. Occasionally you'll get a Theodore Roosevelt.

[Lyddiechu]

ahh good old teddy.. *sniffs and remembers "good" old days* right now i think we need a president who will say "ok rest of the world im goign to give you a break for a few years and work on my own nation" considering that we have poor uneducated kids and unemployment and disease HERE IN AMERICA too..

im not looking for a president that is some kind of moral wonder, in fact i think the more mercenary a president is the better since then you know they are really keeping in mind the state of the country since they dont want to fuck up and either lose the election or lose all chance of having any influence after they lose office.. so hillary might be good since she is an incredibly talented polician and not a fucking dumbass...

what we need to do most is fucking educate american kids so we can vote well and not choose leaders who are going to fuck us up like bush is.

[JMHX]

Hillary is quite intelligent in the fact that she's laid low in the Senate and slowly looked at what's going on at home -- the economy, education crises, states going to bankruptcy -- and has said she won't run in 2004, which has put everyone at ease. This gives her four more years to assess the situation and bring in a great presidential run in 2008. I'd vote for her. She seems completely and fully capable of the job.

[DarkCyrstal]

At 7/9/03 06:32 PM, Lyddiechu wrote: waht africa isnt down the shithole already?? i cant really see how it could get much worse...

I mean some of the Northern Africa is doing ok. Such as Morraco, and Egypt(or was). But when you use those prospecting countries to try to use it to stabilze a country liek Somalia or Etheopia, it would not be good at all.

[JMHX]

At 7/9/03 11:28 PM, DarkCyrstal wrote:

At 7/9/03 06:32 PM, Lyddiechu wrote:

I mean some of the Northern Africa is doing ok. Such as Morraco, and Egypt(or was). But when you use those prospecting countries to try to use it to stabilze a country liek Somalia or Etheopia, it would not be good at all.

Since when has anyone cared about Ethiopia besides U2?