Anti-Israeli Discrimination

[Commander-K25]

Outrage as Oxford bans student for being Israeli

[JMHX]

Now this is just outrageous. The thought that we can talk about peace and equality, and how Israelis aren't being profiled for the actions of militant groups, and then to turn around and do this. Of course, we can never fully rid the world of those who will make decisions and choices based on the races of the applicants. HOWEVER, acting like this, and no less by a professor at Oxford, is completely outrageous. It is completely out of order for Professor Wilkie to make a claim that his students are "not ready" to deal with Israelis, as if this individual had a torture chamber filled with Palestinians in his basement.

This goes right back into discrimination and fear that someone different may hold views that would harm the delicate ideals of another majority group of people. Not only should Prof. Wilkie be removed from his position, but this student, granted his qualifications were good enough, and from what I can see they were, should be given the position. How can we expect peace when there are people like Prof. Wilkie hindering it with actions so simple as this?

First Muslims are practically banned from boarding planes and now this? What a stupid world.

[Commander-K25]

What's disturbing is that it appears to be much more widespread than this one incident. Apparently there is a boycott of Israeli students and researchers under way in Britain.

This is another example of the hypocrisy of left-wing academia, "Discrimination is bad....unless I don't like a certain group of people, then we can call it a boycott and it's all right."

[JMHX]

At 7/1/03 10:44 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: What's disturbing is that it appears to be much more widespread than this one incident. Apparently there is a boycott of Israeli students and researchers under way in Britain.

This is another example of the hypocrisy of left-wing academia, "Discrimination is bad....unless I don't like a certain group of people, then we can call it a boycott and it's all right."

It's strange how you hardly ever hear of this in America. Figures. Anything to keep the masses here calm. If it's not on our ground, we just don't seem to care.

[JMHX]

At 7/1/03 10:51 PM, BaKsHi wrote: this is a really outrageous. this will never happen in the states. i don't know why some british universities would allow this, since britain is know for supporting israel.

Since we (America) has never discriminated against blacks, gays, or more recently, Muslims and other citizens of Middle-Eastern descent.

At 7/1/03 10:55 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

Since we (America) has never discriminated against blacks, gays, or more recently, Muslims and other citizens of Middle-Eastern descent.

...or Asians or Natives or women of any origin.

[Commander-K25]

All nations have some regrettable incidents in their past. Get over it. You can't use the past as a crutch for any sort of argument.

"Well, as you know, there was once slavery in America and now America has invaded Iraq, so....uh, yeah."

Well epiphanies are not a common thing...

[JMHX]

At 7/2/03 01:52 AM, BaKsHi wrote: i think i am aware of what we did in history, but as of now, if this ever happened in the US, the population wouldn't stand for it. i'm sorry if i worded it wrong.

At 7/1/03 10:55 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Since we (America) has never discriminated against blacks, gays, or more recently, Muslims and other citizens of Middle-Eastern descent.

People seem to have no problem discriminating against homosexuals. Wal-Mart has caused quite an uproar by expanding their Anti-Discrimination rules and guidelines to include homosexuals more comprehensively.

[Slizor]

I would like to point out the reason given in the article is because the person served in the Israeli Army.

[Commander-K25]

At 7/2/03 06:44 AM, Slizor wrote: I would like to point out the reason given in the article is because the person served in the Israeli Army.

Does that really make a difference? Consider the fact that Israel has compulsory military service, as well. The much larger boycott is barring people even if they don't have any connection to the Israeli Army.

[JMHX]

At 7/2/03 07:17 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 7/2/03 06:44 AM, Slizor wrote: I would like to point out the reason given in the article is because the person served in the Israeli Army.

Does that really make a difference? Consider the fact that Israel has compulsory military service, as well. The much larger boycott is barring people even if they don't have any connection to the Israeli Army.

Think about this, though: is there anything wrong with compulsory military service? Of course, I mean if the United States were to ever make military service compulsory -- would you agree with it?

[Commander-K25]

At 7/2/03 07:20 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Think about this, though: is there anything wrong with compulsory military service? Of course, I mean if the United States were to ever make military service compulsory -- would you agree with it?

Would I agree with it? Yes, I think it would be a good idea if applied fairly and equally. I think it would do a great amount of good towards instilling some discipline and responsibility into our wayward youth.

This thread about military service, though, it's about discrimination.

[JMHX]

At 7/2/03 07:26 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 7/2/03 07:20 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Think about this, though: is there anything wrong with compulsory military service? Of course, I mean if the United States were to ever make military service compulsory -- would you agree with it?

Would I agree with it? Yes, I think it would be a good idea if applied fairly and equally. I think it would do a great amount of good towards instilling some discipline and responsibility into our wayward youth.

This thread about military service, though, it's about discrimination.

I know, but that idea just put me off on a skew. I think a lot more youths, however, would see discrimination as something stupid if they were in military service with people of other races and religions, and saw that they, too, could do the same things and achieve the same honors as that youth could. If you understood that.

[Commander-K25]

At 7/2/03 07:29 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I think a lot more youths, however, would see discrimination as something stupid if they were in military service with people of other races and religions, and saw that they, too, could do the same things and achieve the same honors as that youth could.

Also a good idea.

If you understood that.

Thanks for the insult (?)

[JMHX]

Grr...I don't like how recently everyone is taking things I say as an insult. I meant "if you understood that" because, after I finished writing and reviewed it, I wasn't sure anyone would get where I was going, since it seemed I jumped around a lot and used the word "youth" too much to differentiate between two different people.

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

When the hell will people stop looking for good guys in this conflict? In this conflict, there ARE NO "good guys." Both sides commit violations of human rights, both sides are represented by arrogant jack assed people, both sides would rather blow themselves up with a A-bomb than admit that they're wrong, and both make themselves to be the poor tormented, and righteous "victims." Stop listening to the propaganda, stupid general public.

[Lyddiechu]

At 7/3/03 12:21 AM, BaKsHi wrote: ok lesse. my cousin is in the israeli army. [i think he deserted thouugh] i strongly support israel's conscription technique, because ISrael is in fact, if you didn't notice, in one of the most extremely dangerous regions in the world. Have you forgotten Israel is in the Middle East?

America is in a safe region, weith Canada north of it, and Mexico at the bottom, and those countries have their own problems to care about, unlike the ones neighboring Israel, who'd probably try and invade Israel if they got the chance.

Israel needs all of its young men in the military to protect itself because of this factor. How else do you think they've survived this long?

finally!!! a fellow zionist!!! people just have no idea what israel has to go through every day. if the us abandoned israel i think i would get on a plane to go there and fight for my people. i may be throwing my life away, but its the only state where jews will always have their rights.

[JMHX]

At 7/3/03 12:21 AM, BaKsHi wrote:
Israel needs all of its young men in the military to protect itself because of this factor. How else do you think they've survived this long?

True. If the United States were smaller and more unstable, we'd be conscripting and I bet very few people would have a problem with it. It all has to do with size and military power in the Middle East. If no one were around to stop it, you'd have seen some of the larger nations gradually eat up smaller ones. Wait...didn't that nearly happen in 1991?

[Sophia-7]

This English anti-semitism is nothing new...

In 1290 the Jews were exiled from England during the reign of king Edward, hundreds were hanged due to the case of the "counterfeit coin" libals, and even women and children were imprisoned in England.

Anti-semitism is deeply embedded into the English conciousness.There are hundreds of acts of violence against Jews and acts of vandalism in Synagogues and cemeteries every year.

The U.K give aid to Palestine, the sum of £20 million a year, and have done for many years...

[misterx2000]

Well at least he's apologised and is nevertheless under investigation. But he shouldn't have done it in the first place.

[Akula]

no this is not right he shoudn't of done this only because the boy is an israeli. every single person that want's to learn should have acces to learning material!

[Slizor]

people just have no idea what israel has to go through every day. if the us abandoned israel i think i would get on a plane to go there and fight for my people.

Yes, it's not like Israel is armed to the teeth. Poor little Israel with its tanks and its planes and its missiles....against sticks, stones and AK47s.

This English anti-semitism is nothing new...

You are a stupid cunt.

Anti-semitism is deeply embedded into the English conciousness.

Yes, because of something that happen 700 years ago....

There are hundreds of acts of violence against Jews and acts of vandalism in Synagogues and cemeteries every year.

Can I have a source please?

The U.K give aid to Palestine, the sum of £20 million a year, and have done for many years...

That has nothing to do with anti-semitism.

[Lyddiechu]

now now children, name calling just makes it worse. there will always be anti semetism in europe. actually, anti semitism is ironically the least bad in germany right now and many jews are moving back there since they know they will be safe in major german cities. i can't cite exact numbers for you now but I read it in a new york times article and heard a radio feature on it on NPR I will try and get the transcripts for you if I can since you are so insistent on sources (which is a good thing, mind you). still, i think in england it has more to do with politics on the surface and any anti semitism in those situations is something much more below the surface, but still there anyway. hell I know jews are easy to hate, afer all we have always been history's scapegoats. but I like how israel is armed to the teeth, seeing as it is the only way jews can garuntee their survival. there have been periods of peace and renaissance for jews throughout history, but it always ends horribly. i don't want to take any chances, and i fucking hate how my ethnic group and religion plays the victim. our religion preaches healing of the world, prayer, and study, which frankly benefits everyone even non jews, so wtf we can't do that shit when we are being persecuted. i think jews should take a hint from our semitic brethren the muslims (hey we're all brothers and sisters with unibrows) and fucking pick up that ak 47 and guard your home. i just with that arabs and jews woulndt fight each other. *sigh* arabs should be the least anti semitic considering WE ALL COME FROM THE SAME PEOPLE WAY BACK ANYWAY!!! ethnic israelis (not imigrants from russia or something) and guys from palestine or saudi arabia or something look pretty damn similar if you just take away all the religious garb. if there is a racial war definitally jews and arabs should not fight even though most people int he middle east think otherwise. damn you england, damn you, this really is your fault and not because you are racist or anti semitic or anything, its because of some political maneuvering you did back during the world wars promising the same land (israel/palestine) to both the jews and the arabs. heck the conflict had been going on for thousands of years, but it never escalated to such a bloody level until DAMN YOU BRITISH POLITICIANS!!! ah well, if i were a british politician back then i probably would have done the same thing. it was ingenious at the time i just wish someone would have anticipated the future bloodshed and said NO.
*sigh* sorry for the rambling post, but happy 4th of july everyone. at least us jews can be safe some places in the us (altho germany and the northern european coutnries are still safer)

[Sophia-7]

There are hundreds of acts of violence against Jews and acts of vandalism in Synagogues and cemeteries every year.

At 7/4/03 08:21 AM, Slizor wrote:

Can I have a source please?: :

There are reports about this every week in all the U.K Jewish newspapers, but i suppose you would think all the newspapers are involved in a mass conspiracy and vandalize their own cemeteries to back up the "stories" (?)

If you wish to find out the names of all the Jewish U.K press publications i can provide these, but you can do a simple internet search to discover this info for yourself.

Historical policies pertaining to Nations and Ethnic peoples tend to set future precedents and shape future attitudes, this is why history is important and relevant to today.

A person who cannot see the relevance of history (and goes around calling people cunts for citing history) doesn't really have a chance of understanding the world or having views that are not laughable.

[Slizor]

There are reports about this every week in all the U.K Jewish newspapers

Can I have a non-biased source? In fact, you still haven't provided me with anything.

but i suppose you would think all the newspapers are involved in a mass conspiracy and vandalize their own cemeteries to back up the "stories"

Or maybe they embellish, or plain lie. I don't know since you still haven't given me anything.

If you wish to find out the names of all the Jewish U.K press publications i can provide these, but you can do a simple internet search to discover this info for yourself.

You don't seem to have understood what this forum does. You provide your own sources to back up what you say.

Historical policies pertaining to Nations and Ethnic peoples tend to set future precedents and shape future attitudes, this is why history is important and relevant to today.

A person who cannot see the relevance of history (and goes around calling people cunts for citing history)

Actually I called you a cunt for calling something which is clearly anti-Israel, anti-Semitism. Do you understand the difference? This is the key point. This is how it relates to the rest of the thread.

doesn't really have a chance of understanding the world or having views that are not laughable.

The relevance of a certain period of history, say 700 years ago, is lessen by the fact that it was such a long time ago.

[Sophia-7]

At 7/5/03 10:52 AM, Slizor wrote: Actually I called you a cunt for calling something which is clearly anti-Israel, anti-Semitism. Do you understand the difference?:

Do you recognise the right for Israel to exist ?
Anti-Israel is anti-semitism.Anti-occupation is not anti-Israel.

Pakistan is considering recognising Israel's right to exist, most of the Arab and Islamic world do not recognise Israel.

The BBC is an "impartial" source, in fact some say they are anti-semitic as the published that Israel has illegal Bio-weapons with no evidence and have been denied exclusive acess by the Israeli Govt.
However the BBC have published on the latest Jewish cemetery vandalizist attacks, even if they do assert it may not be anti-semitic...

This is about one attack;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3015247.stm

This is another one;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2533735.stm

[mikehrt]

At 7/4/03 01:37 PM, Lyddiechu wrote:

damn you england, damn you, this really is your fault and not because you are racist or anti semitic or anything, its because of some political maneuvering you did back during the world wars promising the same land (israel/palestine) to both the jews and the arabs.

Sorry darlin, it didn't really happen that way. The Jewish refugees from Europe formed militant terrorist groups that bombed British military sites. The message was that either the British would give the land to Israel or they would take it. Then the Israelis proceded to wage war on the indigenous population. Oh, and the Jews had left for a long time and hadn't really fought over the land for over a thousand years before that. I'll try to find some sources for you. This mostly comes from the History channel and PBS.

[mikehrt]

Would you look at this. It says your right. Anyway. Here is a link that states "The Jews fought the British law by fighting in retaliation, using terrorist groups of angry Jews."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A425152

Here's a source that has the long history. It says most of the Jews left around 312AD and that the next influx came around 1882 from Russia. So you had been squabling over the land longer than I thought.

http://www.thehistorychannel.c...el+terrorism&x=14&y=18

I can't find any specific bombings by Jewish terrorist groups, but I know that there was a Hotel and several military positions. One interesting fact. The Jewish terrorists would usually warn an area before it was bombed so there were almost no civilian casualties.
No source on that either though, sorry.