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At 10/1/07 06:19 PM, animehater wrote:

At 10/1/07 05:35 PM, Pheidippides wrote:

I wouldn't risk it. But I always wanted to see a democratic Vietnam, just to say 58,000 Americans didn't die for nothing.

It's not really our say to whether we want a "free" Vientam. Rather it be the Veintamize say.

At 10/1/07 10:24 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: It's not really our say to whether we want a "free" Vietnam. Rather it be the Vientamese say.

Yet at the same time if they had their say then it would be in effect free would it not?

At 10/2/07 04:54 PM, animehater wrote:

At 10/1/07 10:24 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Yet at the same time if they had their say then it would be in effect free would it not?

And who are you identifing by "they" If I may ask?

At 10/2/07 08:49 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: And who are you identifing by "they" If I may ask?

I mean the Vietnamese populous.

You know I just remembered something I saw on the news yeasterday about the mexican government giving Mexican History books to immigrant children and then showing a teacher in full support of "Understanding your roots" I was disgusted at the very idea of a government actively promoting a greater rift in identity in America along with the teachers. Now is not the time to go backwards and promote past nationalities, but rather forming one single identity in this country; American.

At 10/3/07 05:14 PM, animehater wrote: You know I just remembered something I saw on the news yeasterday about the mexican government giving Mexican History books to immigrant children...

Wait, how does the Mexican government give books to people who moved to other countries?

But yeah, I do very much agree on your last point.

At 10/3/07 05:19 PM, K-RadPie wrote: Wait, how does the Mexican government give books to people who moved to other countries?

By mail I guess.

But yeah, I do very much agree on your last point.

Well that's good to hear. We should indeed focus on one identity and destroy the very concept of "minorities" and "The majority"

At 10/2/07 09:16 PM, animehater wrote:

At 10/2/07 08:49 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

I mean the Vietnamese populous.

I think they gave thier say back in the Seventies.

At 10/3/07 06:46 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: I think they gave thier say back in the Seventies.

What about the South Vietnamese?

At 10/3/07 07:05 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 10/3/07 06:46 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

What about the South Vietnamese?

You mean the same one that had strong Pro Northern feelings and Pro communist feelings.

People forget that our strongest base in South Vientam was Saigon, and only Saigon. Most of the rural Vientamize held northern loyalties.

At 10/3/07 07:29 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: You mean the same one that had strong Pro Northern feelings and Pro communist feelings.

I see what you mean there but they should have more than just a One-Party State.

At 10/4/07 04:34 PM, animehater wrote:

At 10/3/07 07:29 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

I see what you mean there but they should have more than just a One-Party State.

Like I said earlier, thats for them to decide.

At 10/4/07 09:59 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Like I said earlier, thats for them to decide.

Then let them decide, and give them more to choose. Some Multi- Party elections would be nice. You know to represent the diversity of ideas.

i would love to join this.

At 10/5/07 07:10 PM, maverick-mechanic wrote: i would love to join this.

Then you are welcome to do so. Welcome to the movement.

At 10/5/07 07:07 PM, animehater wrote:

At 10/4/07 09:59 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Then let them decide, and give them more to choose. Some Multi- Party elections would be nice. You know to represent the diversity of ideas.

When they want them, they will fight for them.

Simple as that, we can't go around the world simply freeing a people that isn't ready for a government that may not want because we say it's good for them.

Let them decide for themselves.

At 10/5/07 09:52 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: When they want them, they will fight for them.

Don't you think that's a bit of an oversimplification?

Simple as that, we can't go around the world simply freeing a people that isn't ready for a government that may not want because we say it's good for them.

It sounds as if you are comparing Democratic choice to Imperialism. I would think it's safe to assume that the concept of Democracy is pretty universal and not just some western idea designed to be forced down people's throats like some would make it out to be.

Let them decide for themselves.

That's generally what I'm talking about. You can't assume one general party with total rule is what everyone wants and thus the people should indeed decide for themselves and not leave
their views to an assumption that every last one of them want the exact status quo. Let the differences in thoughts and opions take the form of elections so that the outcome is more representative is what I say.

At 10/6/07 01:43 PM, animehater wrote:

At 10/5/07 09:52 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Don't you think that's a bit of an oversimplification?

Maybe, maybe not.
History has shown that those who truley wanted freedom fought for it.

It sounds as if you are comparing Democratic choice to Imperialism. I would think it's safe to assume that the concept of Democracy is pretty universal and not just some western idea designed to be forced down people's throats like some would make it out to be.

Then, if it's so universal Why do they not fight for it themselves.
And yes, Imperialism would be going into thier country and telling them that they are going to have a democracy instead of letting them decide themselves.

That's generally what I'm talking about. You can't assume one general party with total rule is what everyone wants and thus the people should indeed decide for themselves and not leave
their views to an assumption that every last one of them want the exact status quo. Let the differences in thoughts and opions take the form of elections so that the outcome is more representative is what I say.

Thats very good, now since Vientam is not going to allow general elections anytime soon, and more then likely were not going to get involved any time soon (thank god) there going to have to devide how valuable democracy and a government where one has an involvement in is worth it.

Like I said, when they want it, they will fight for it.

At 10/6/07 02:39 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Maybe, maybe not.
History has shown that those who truley wanted freedom fought for it.
Then, if it's so universal Why do they not fight for it themselves.
And yes, Imperialism would be going into their country and telling them that they are going to have a democracy instead of letting them decide themselves.

You never know if there actually is some small level of resistance. It would be insane to just assume that everyone has the same opinion about anything let alone government. Also, wouldn't the ability to decide be an example of democratic choice. Really I think democracy can't really be forced upon anyone because it just appears to be the result of the natural changes of opinion. The entire concept of the diversity of opinion among mankind would obviously either have or will have created some sort of movement for more of an expression of the differences of opinion among the people which includes Democracy. Thus, I say we should support that; and I can't imagine the concept of being able to choose your leaders leaders and the ability to express yourself to be a bad thing and have it considered to be forced down your throat. While you can disagree with the methods of it I just don't see anyone saying " What an asshole I can't believe he made me choose my government" anytime anywhere.

You know, thinking back at the beginning of this I remembered there was a bit of a controversy regarding the whole Religion aspect of this. Now looking back my only regret is that I tried to put each idea into it's own category regarding all of the religious parts. In fact I could've put a lot of things together. That would apply to a lot of this actually. Well at least I actually did put it together to make this somewhat.

At 10/8/07 12:38 PM, animehater wrote: Now looking back my only regret is that I tried to put each idea into it's own category regarding all of the religious parts. In fact I could've put a lot of things together.

As you can now see on my profile message I have edited it out to represent that.

Looking at yet another Communism vs. Capitalism debate on the political forum I thought it best to reiterate the fact that we as Human Nationalists believe that " Every man is entitled to the sweat of his brow"

What can I say? It's cool sounding quote.

At 10/9/07 08:00 PM, animehater wrote: Looking at yet another Communism vs. Capitalism debate on the political forum I thought it best to reiterate the fact that we as Human Nationalists believe that " Every man is entitled to the sweat of his brow"

Hellz yes. But these capi vs commie debates are getting pretty redundant.

What can I say? It's cool sounding quote.

Well, I don't know about "cool sounding," but it certainly makes a point.

I bet I could come up with a better sounding one... hmm... how about "commies suck lol"

At 10/9/07 08:53 PM, K-RadPie wrote: Hellz yes. But these capi vs commie debates are getting pretty redundant.

Yea, but it's been like that for so long it's almost a poli forum tradition to have at least one debate in a thread about that stuff a month. It's been like that since before I first signed up here.

Well, I don't know about "cool sounding," but it certainly makes a point.

Hence the coolness. Along with the fact that it's from Bioshock I've never played it myself but I do remember that part.

I bet I could come up with a better sounding one... hmm... how about "commies suck lol"

You think we should combine the two to make it extra cool?

At 10/9/07 08:00 PM, animehater wrote: Looking at yet another Communism vs. Capitalism debate on the political forum I thought it best to reiterate the fact that we as Human Nationalists believe that " Every man is entitled to the sweat of his brow"

What can I say? It's cool sounding quote.

Didn't you steal that from Bioshock.

At 10/9/07 10:05 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Didn't you steal that from Bioshock.

Yea. That's why I justified it by saying that I thought it was cool sounding. That whole part was presented in a cool fashion to me.

At 10/10/07 03:46 PM, animehater wrote: That whole part was presented in a cool fashion to me.

How was it presented?

At 10/10/07 05:00 PM, K-RadPie wrote: How was it presented?

Like this.

At 10/10/07 07:54 PM, animehater wrote: Like this.

I would love to make something like that myself to advertise the movement.

At 10/12/07 03:14 PM, animehater wrote: I would love to make something like that myself to advertise the movement.

What? A PC game? lol