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So what in essence, is the movement or goal of this club.

I mean, I'm reading all these requirments, to destoy ones culture, tradition local governance and so and so forth.

But for what, what is this for?

At 8/19/07 09:36 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: I mean, I'm reading all these requirments, to destoy ones culture, tradition local governance and so and so forth.

Remove Culture and tradition? All I asked for is for him to get rid of the title of white.

At 8/19/07 11:55 PM, animehater wrote:

At 8/19/07 09:36 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Remove Culture and tradition? All I asked for is for him to get rid of the title of white.

No, I mean the original requirements.

At 8/20/07 07:22 AM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: No, I mean the original requirements.

I didn't mean destroy entire cultures. Just remove potential false ones ( kwanza) but also at the same time promoting national unity by giving all the people of a country one supreme identity. For example, I want to make sure that if two different people from two ethnic groups who have had issues in the past don't go off to live in a new country and continue to hate and distrust one another for the past. Fuck that, may they both embrace they're new identity.
Another way to put it was the Scottish person I was talking to earlier and his promotion of a succession. I believe in a united country. Thus, I do not promote the idea that other identities besides the idenitity of the whole should be reason for seccesion and so on. A United State. So yea.

This club is terrible.
What the fuck are you going to discuss?

At 8/20/07 03:06 PM, Kiddmeizter wrote: This club is terrible.
What the fuck are you going to discuss?

Pretty much everything from aiding to modify this and more clearer definitions on our standings on issues. As soon as we get more people to post with things that are constructive unlike you.

At 8/20/07 02:51 PM, animehater wrote:

At 8/20/07 07:22 AM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: No, I mean the original requirements.

Another way to put it was the Scottish person I was talking to earlier and his promotion of a succession. I believe in a united country. Thus, I do not promote the idea that other identities besides the idenitity of the whole should be reason for seccesion and so on. A United State. So yea.

There are many reasons for a sovreign Scottish nation, the celtic race being one.

See, thats the thing that. Often time, culture and race is what motivates a nationalism and a country for it's independence. Ireland, Poland, the whole problem in Serbia and Bosnia are all racial and cultural based nationalist movements.

To tell someone to leave it behind is like telling me to leave behind religion when dealing with politics or basic life, there unseperable from the human condition.

At 8/20/07 05:41 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: To tell someone to leave it behind is like telling me to leave behind religion when dealing with politics or basic life, there unseperable from the human condition.

Alot of the time I don't tell someone to leave it behind. But I do not support nationalism when it leads to the division of a country.

At 8/20/07 05:49 PM, animehater wrote:

At 8/20/07 05:41 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

Alot of the time I don't tell someone to leave it behind. But I do not support nationalism when it leads to the division of a country.

It is not yours to support then. A country stability is built off the faith, patriotism and nationalism of it's citizens.

When that faith is no longer given, the country no longer exists.

At 8/20/07 05:51 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: When that faith is no longer given, the country no longer exists.

Okay now I'm starting to think we're talking about something completely different with that statement.

At 8/20/07 06:41 PM, animehater wrote:

At 8/20/07 05:51 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: When that faith is no longer given, the country no longer exists.

Okay now I'm starting to think we're talking about something completely different with that statement.

Were not.

And when I say faith, I don't mean the religous based one. I mean more of faith in your government and it's ability to do it's job.

You seem to have answered my questions the best that you could, although not very well.

:And i was kinda leaning on the Idea that Satanism would be considered a cult since it looks like it's been formed soley to damage Christianity.

That is most definitely a myth! They may have different views than the Christians, but how does that make you think that it was formed solely to damage Christianity? You actually may have the wrong Satanism in mind. You're thinking of theistic Satanism, which isn't a real religion. Real Satanists don't sacrifice animals and rape virgins, in fact, they're completely harmless! They are all about enjoying your life while you are still alive, since there might not be an afterlife. I'd actually be more afraid of fundamentalist Christians. You seem to be against stereotyping, yet you are doing it right here. I'll have you know that I am not a Satanist.

About your "morality": you say that people need to have morals to join your movement, but morals are not clearly defined, seeing how they're based on opinion. I submit that potential members need your morals to join.

For example, earlier, you said that prostitution is immoral. Do you think sex between two consenting adults is immoral? Do people who want to join have to believe that this is immoral? And what about swearing? A lot people believe that swearing is immoral (in many different degrees), yet you have "fuck" and "shit" written all over your posts. So really, what is moral?

Also, you have not answered my question about what to call people who aren't in a religion. Why can't they call themselves Atheist or Agnostic, but Christians can call themselves Christian? It really makes no sense. It would be like calling a chair a "sitting apparatus!" And again, why can't anyone from peta or greenpeace join?

But what may be the most important: what are you trying to accomplish?

At 8/20/07 11:09 PM, MrKickyourbutt wrote: That is most definitely a myth!

A. Why do you need a whole ism for living life to the fullest.
B. What's with the name then?

About your "morality": you say that people need to have morals to join your movement, but morals are not clearly defined, seeing how they're based on opinion. I submit that potential members need your morals to join.

I really mean the concept of immorality as stated by most religions ( with the exception of things like the idea homosexuality is immoral I an fine with it)

For example, earlier, you said that prostitution is immoral. Do you think sex between two consenting adults is immoral? Do people who want to join have to believe that this is immoral? And what about swearing? A lot people believe that swearing is immoral (in many different degrees), yet you have "fuck" and "shit" written all over your posts. So really, what is moral?

Nothing wrong with swearing. I have nothing against two consenting adults having sex I just think that we should go to a society where that stuff stays private you can say.

Also, you have not answered my question about what to call people who aren't in a religion. Why can't they call themselves Atheist or Agnostic, but Christians can call themselves Christian? It really makes no sense. It would be like calling a chair a "sitting apparatus!" And again, why can't anyone from peta or greenpeace join?

I believe that there is no point in organizing or giving identity to on a lack of belief. And the reason why Peta or greenpeace cannot join is because they would be against the concept of human supremacy. So really any self respecting member of either would not want to join in the first place.

But what may be the most important: what are you trying to accomplish?

Just trying to get others with this beleif and organize by them. Try to make structural changes in society or at the very least get a place of our own.

At 8/20/07 11:00 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: And when I say faith, I don't mean the religous based one. I mean more of faith in your government and it's ability to do it's job.

Well then I guess you could say that we are either reviving those ideals or preserving them.

At 8/19/07 09:28 PM, Rumbumfucknut wrote: Fine, whatever.

Alright then. Well like before are you any good at drawing?

At 8/15/07 06:03 PM, animehater wrote: 1. Patriotic

Patriotic of what? Does this rule mean that only Americans who like Bush are welcome - I am assuming that is what you mean by Patriotism. I may be wrong.

2. Understand that only identity is that of country rather than ethnicity or region (someone who considers themselves Rwandan instead of Hutu or Tusti sort of speak)

The Rwandan example is not a good one - that division was based solely on the width of a persons nose. What are your thoughts on the division of countries such as North and South Korea - would you like to see that border removed?

3. Moral, but not overtly religious

You need to clarify what you mean to be moral - some people find animal testing moral, some find it immoral. Morality is largely down to personal beliefs and opinions.

4. Not one to drink or take illegal substances.

Why?

5. No hatred for an entire country (not the anti American type)

Is this solely an American thing?

6. One for the free Market system (no Communists or Socialists)

I agree with this - well done.

7. Willing to destroy the myth of race once and for all (I.E no African, Asian Americans etc just American)

How can race be a myth? Different races are different genetically - it's a scientific fact. An African is NOT the same as an Asian - If you simply mean that you support race equality then I agree with you 100%

8. Don't have to be religious but respect religion.

But you have expressed a dislike for the way some Muslim men treat women. Do you mean that a potention member has to respect only some religions, i.e. those which you yourself find follow roughly your own beliefs?

9. Members of all religions welcome (except those that are considered cults) including those who don't even go by a religion.

You are basically excluding yourself with this rule - you are attempting to create a group with extremist views and which seems to be nothing more than a wannabe cult.

10. If not apart of a religion don't give yourself some bullshit name like Atheist or Agnostic just non religious please.

Atheism is a belief system separate from Agnostic. It is like calling Christianity and Judaism the same thing - sure there are a lot of differences, but they just aren't the same thing.

11. Gay, straight all welcome.

Aren't you open minded, go you!

12. No god forsaken bush basher please I don't want any damn twelve year olds thinking themselves rebels god damnit!

What is a "Bush basher" - do you just mean anyone who supports abortion or is against the war in Iraq? Because there are plenty of people in the world with good reason to disagree with the politics of George Bush.

13. Considers the human Race superior to all other creatures ( that cuts out PETA ,Greenpeace and UFO watchers)

This rule is laughable. Are you implying that the human race no responsibilty to take care of animals or the environment. I don't think there is anybody in the world who would say a dogs life is worth more than a human life, but it still has value. Are you saying that dogfights should be made legal?

15. Cosmetic surgery (from boob jobs to sex changes) is a no no. One must respect the natural self.

This is truly idiotic. This is obviously a personal belief on a subject you clearly know nothing about.
As way of an example - just say you were in a car crash and your face gets a bit mangled - you wouldn't let the doctors put your nose back where it came from?

In short those who would be in full support of building a Capitalist Moralistic Democracy with a strong sense of Patriotism and Human Supremacism as i like to call it. So why don't you join up if your able? SUFOLLA DETINU!

I think you mean SUFOEMOS DETINU, TEY DETAICOSASSID MORF YTEICOS TA EGRAL!

At 8/21/07 04:18 PM, NobGoblin wrote: Patriotic of what? Does this rule mean that only Americans who like Bush are welcome - I am assuming that is what you mean by Patriotism. I may be wrong.

And you are

The Rwandan example is not a good one - that division was based solely on the width of a persons

nose. What are your thoughts on the division of countries such as North and South Korea - would you like to see that border removed?
Actually that one was a good one about getting rid of false identities. And who wouldn't want to see Korea reunified?

You need to clarify what you mean to be moral - some people find animal testing moral, some find it immoral. Morality is largely down to personal beliefs and opinions.

That is the popular one to talk about isn't it? As I said, the kind of stuff within most religions define it. The details can be talk about within the club itself.

4. Not one to drink or take illegal substances.

Narcissism thing I've been saying for a while now.

Is this solely an American thing?

No. That was meant to be an example.

How can race be a myth? Different races are different genetically - it's a scientific fact. An African is NOT the same as an Asian - If you simply mean that you support race equality then I agree with you 100%

Trying to destroy racial identity and promote the idea that the only race among humans is in fact human.

But you have expressed a dislike for the way some Muslim men treat women. Do you mean that a potential member has to respect only some religions, i.e. those which you yourself find follow roughly your own beliefs?

No no no I don't support some middle eastern states that would forcefully but women in veils but I would respect people who choose to, or believe so.

You are basically excluding yourself with this rule - you are attempting to create a group with extremist views and which seems to be nothing more than a wannabe cult.

How is this extremeist and who says i was trying to make a cult?

Atheism is a belief system separate from Agnostic. It is like calling Christianity and Judaism the same thing - sure there are a lot of differences, but they just aren't the same thing.

Read thread.

What is a "Bush basher" -

Doesn't seem like that one is going anywhere soon.
uman Race superior to all other creatures ( that cuts out PETA ,Greenpeace and UFO watchers)

This rule is laughable. Are you implying that the human race no responsibilty to take care of animals or the environment. I don't think there is anybody in the world who would say a dogs life is worth more than a human life, but it still has value. Are you saying that dogfights should be made legal?

Again you seem to be exaggerating my point. I am against anyone who would take these things to an extreme.

This is truly idiotic. This is obviously a personal belief on a subject you clearly know nothing about.
As way of an example - just say you were in a car crash and your face gets a bit mangled - you wouldn't let the doctors put your nose back where it came from?

Are you high? I meant things like breat implants and uneccesary things such as that.

I think you mean SUFOEMOS DETINU, TEY DETAICOSASSID MORF YTEICOS TA EGRAL!

You're hope;ess.

New rule. Anyone with questions about the first post in this thread shall be instructed to read the first few pages to get their answers. If you don't get the answer to your specific question then you can come and ask but be sure to act in a calm and polite manner no matter how outraged you may be because you are probably overreacting.

New rule. Anyone with questions about the first post in this thread shall be instructed to read the first few pages to get their answers. If you don't get the answer to your specific question then you can come and ask but be sure to act in a calm and polite manner no matter how outraged you may be because you are probably overreacting.

Hopefully there will be less half-page long arguments now.

At 8/21/07 06:21 PM, Pheidippides wrote: Hopefully there will be less half-page long arguments now.

I somehow doubt that. But it's best to have high hopes.

So gentlemen I think it's time to show off my "Circle-dot" policy. Which is promotion on a local level. Also if there is anyone interested in joining in the future be sure to help us out in the symbol department if you're any good.

Sufolla Detinu!

Can I make the symbol in flash? Also, can I join?

At 8/23/07 11:32 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote: Can I make the symbol in flash? Also, can I join?

What do you mean in flash? Oh and you can join.

At 8/23/07 11:46 PM, Grammer wrote: Stuff

Um.. nice to see you back?

would you be in favour of meta-humanism Animehater? that is using science and logic to secure the status of humans in general as a master race? For example using stem cells to regenerate the human mind, so that mental illnesses that causes anti-human sociopathic violence such as murder (the serial killer variety). Do you believe that murderers are mentally ill, drug dealers who sell drugs to children, and violent people (not necessarily fighting and rampaging, but people with angry tendencies), are mentally ill, and do you support, meta human initiatives to help eliminate these genetic impurities, such as eugenics? or do you embrace technologly such as stem cells and medication to help heal people's minds?

also what if humanity eventually explores the ultimate frontiers of existance, and we find creatures and life forms competing, for resources and a galactic war was inevitable, where survival depeneded on the complete genocide of the opposing race? do you support? I sure as hell would. If it meant my children's survival. I take it that humanist nationalism means that we become a master race in the universe, as obviously we would explore beyond our confines of earth.

At 8/23/07 11:32 PM, Ninja-Without-Sight wrote: Can I make the symbol in flash? Also, can I join?

Actually, I would recommend it, since I find it to be the best program for creating symbols out there. Just remember to publish it into a picture format.

At 8/24/07 06:33 AM, hongkongexpress wrote: stuff

While your points do sound interesting I think we should be focusing on the more down to earth basics such as preventing people from looking at being human as a negative or placing other things (animals, environment, etc.) on a higher plane then their fellow man. Although i'm sure that we can speak about that at another time.

At 8/24/07 08:58 AM, Pheidippides wrote: Actually, I would recommend it, since I find it to be the best program for creating symbols out there. Just remember to publish it into a picture format.

Okie dokie then. It's agreed.

So hows that symbol working?

I was meaning to say this but I guess I forgot but judgeing by some posts here it appears there is a misconception that patriotism involves following government as well as loving your country. This must be halted and I say we should do it. Could this be the reason why people don't have as much of a loyalty to their country? I would think so. Tell me your thoughts guys.

At 8/27/07 12:06 PM, animehater wrote: I was meaning to say this but I guess I forgot but judgeing by some posts here it appears there is a misconception that patriotism involves following government as well as loving your country. This must be halted and I say we should do it. Could this be the reason why people don't have as much of a loyalty to their country? I would think so. Tell me your thoughts guys.

While it is true the government holds the country together, patriotism is love of the country itself. Too many n00bs just don't know the definition of patriotism, so really, it's just another case of n00bs acting like n00bs.