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At 8/16/07 05:39 PM, Joic wrote:

At 8/16/07 05:15 PM, animehater wrote: You are indeed. Government comes and goes but Patriotism is about love of you country because that is the main unifying factor.

Yet we cannot display disloyalty to the goverment by saying what we think about it? if Goverments mean that little according to you, then why try so hard to defend it?

I'm pretty sure the objectification of women is usually considered "immoral"

No in Muslim cultures and some others, but they can join right, Then hold on...aren't they too immoral to join...but you just said they could? Hmmm...strange, sounds like you're contradicting yourself

I mean as in things like prostitution (omg!) but I believe that moderate Muslims don't oppress their women beating them if they don't cover their hair.

You'd be much better off reading it, I know there are some people out there who are junkies and I don't like em anymore then you do, but you shouldn't piss on people who just like to smoke a joint once or twice a week.

I'm just not a big fan of it thus it's included within this.

again, if you give me an awnser I would prefer a full one instead of just one single example, it seems like you didn't really put that much thinking in this place at all.

I mean I doubt anyone in a country with free health care would like it taken away from them.

Ofcourse I can't, noone can, but that doesn't mean you can shut people out because of diffrent pinions and if you hadn't, we probably wouldn't be bitching on an on about this stuff

A different opinion is only different because it is in contrast with another.

I wasn't talking about that, the part where you said the word cult is hard to give a definition and since you made the rules, you should specificaly say what are cult and what's not else, this would be considered a dictatorship with you being able to change the rules at all time because they are so undetailed that you (who made them ofcourse) can fill in the blanks as you wish at any time you want.

I was saying extreme things like that should not be allowed anything else can be discussed within the club among it's members.

Then the person joins some dame Atheist extremist group, if someones an extreme muslim you'll allow them to join but an extreme atheist can't because he/she doesn't believe in a god?

I would allow moderate Muslims. What next you accuse me of harboring white supremacists just because I accept "white" people? I'm trying to fight the myth of race thus the quotes.

Where does this bullshit come from? Seriously, yes, freedom comes with responsibility, that's obvious, but those responsibilities should not be the fact that you can't believe what you want or care for what you want because that is what freedoms all about.

There must be a border between freedom and anarchy.

Wait, when the hell did I say that Communists are right,n this is starting to look more and more like you creating this thread because you don't like Communism and want to have a place to rip on people who are communist. Plus, stop babbling on and on about evryone can join when you keep on excluding people bacause that's not EVRYONE, I know communists do the same but we aren't talking about Communists now, we're talking about you, stop trying to point the finger on someone else.

You're the one who was yelling at me because Communists (in addition to others) were not welcome.

Oh poor you, well, You should always be ready to take some shit, if you aren't, there's no real reason to make a club or crew now is there.

That's what I was talking about in that last line. I'm surprised you didn't know about the politics forum.

3. Moral, but not overtly religious
4. Not one to drink or take illegal substances.

7. Willing to destroy the myth of race once and for all (I.E no African, Asian Americans etc just American)
8. Don't have to be religious but respect religion.
9. Members of all religions welcome (except those that are considered cults) including those who don't even go by a religion
10. If not apart of a religion don't give yourself some bullshit name like Atheist or Agnostic just non religious please.
11. Gay, straight all welcome.
12. No god forsaken bush basher please I don't want any damn twelve year olds thinking themselves rebels god damnit!
13. Considers the human Race superior to all other creatures ( that cuts out PETA ,Greenpeace and UFO watchers)
14. Must be anti monarchy and support a world of republics.
15. Cosmetic surgery (from boob jobs to sex changes) is a no no. One must respect the natural self.

dude you aint patreotic your a god damn hippy those things are about to make me puqe like #,s 15, 14,12 especially 11 you sick son of a bitch and you damn stupid if you dont belive in God apperntly you have no clue what patreatisim is and you difinatly are not from the south or any big city your just a sheltewred suburbeian

dude you aint patreotic your a god damn hippy those things are about to make me puqe like #,s 15, 14,12 especially 11 you sick son of a bitch and you damn stupid if you dont belive in God apperntly you have no clue what patreatisim is and you difinatly are not from the south or any big city your just a sheltewred suburbeian

What the hell is "patreatisim?" Also, I have never heard of anyone being "sheltewred."

BTW, I would like to join this movement.

At 8/16/07 07:53 PM, Pheidippides wrote: What the hell is "patreatisim?" Also, I have never heard of anyone being "sheltewred."

I really could not understand a word he just said.

BTW, I would like to join this movement.

Welcome aboard. By any chance you any good at drawing? We're trying to make a symbol at the moment.

Alright gentlemen is anyone at all able to make a symbol of a purple hand outlined in orange to be visible, on a purple background, with an orange sun inside the hand, and equal scales in purple inside the sun, finally ending with a curved "Sufolla" on the left side of the hand and a curved "Detinu" on the right?

At 8/16/07 03:46 PM, animehater wrote:

At 8/16/07 03:31 PM, mrdurgan wrote: i'm actually quite the reverse of a nationalist. you do know nationalism is only a relatively new concept introduced around the 18th/19th centuries?

So was plenty of other things.

what i'm saying is that to me personally, belonging to a certain block of land which just so happens to be controlled by the same government seems artificial compared to my connection to the people and cultural groups i was born and raised in. thats just my own opinion tho.

I suppose to be fair its pretty much essential in a country like America where there is no inherited regional cultures to associate yourself with (unless your native American of course.)

You should double check that. Mostly people are all about cultures of their ancestors in countires they've never been.

i dont really understand what you mean there. i might have got the wrong end of the stick but if you mean that people in countries made up of foreign settlers (taking america as a perfect example,) have pride of their ancestral culture then doesnt that just prove my point that there IS no well established american reigonal cultures, and so they have to unify themselves through this artificially constructed sense of nationalism? (i'm actually defending the legitimacy of nationalism here)

At 8/17/07 03:14 PM, mrdurgan wrote: what i'm saying is that to me personally, belonging to a certain block of land which just so happens to be controlled by the same government seems artificial compared to my connection to the people and cultural groups i was born and raised in. thats just my own opinion tho.

And it's a damned good one. Government is just something that comes and goes but a country is much more permanent. And shall be with unity throught a common identity.

i dont really understand what you mean there. i might have got the wrong end of the stick but if you mean that people in countries made up of foreign settlers (taking america as a perfect example,) have pride of their ancestral culture then doesnt that just prove my point that there IS no well established american reigonal cultures, and so they have to unify themselves through this artificially constructed sense of nationalism? (i'm actually defending the legitimacy of nationalism here)

Yes I mean people who come here. Now I believe that their descendants should be unified with the decedents of other ancestors of other cultures to embrace their now common home. There is nothing artificial about it.

At 8/15/07 06:03 PM, animehater wrote:

13. Considers the human Race superior to all other creatures ( that cuts out PETA ,Greenpeace and UFO watchers)

14. Must be anti monarchy and support a world of republics.
15. Cosmetic surgery (from boob jobs to sex changes) is a no no. One must respect the natural self.

I disagree. Although you are correct in the matter of democrcy, your opinon on other living things
is, at the very least unwise. No, I wont go into the matter of Dolphins,Gorrilas,Pigs,exatra, but
looking at it from a scientific veiw, such a civilization would not last long.

At 8/17/07 03:42 PM, SlimeManMan wrote: I disagree. Although you are correct in the matter of democrcy, your opinon on other living things
is, at the very least unwise. No, I wont go into the matter of Dolphins,Gorrilas,Pigs,exatra, but
looking at it from a scientific veiw, such a civilization would not last long.

Okay. We don't want to kill every other living creature or anything like that. We just want to promote the fact that we indeed are superior to them. Trust me, if I could have a conversation with a dolphin instead of teaching it to jump through hoops, I wouldn't even have mentioned it.

At 8/17/07 03:24 PM, animehater wrote:

Yes I mean people who come here. Now I believe that their descendants should be unified with the decedents of other ancestors of other cultures to embrace their now common home. There is nothing artificial about it.

i see your point, but i'm still anti-nationalist. one thing to be said for nationalism is that it helps destroy imperialism, something i dislike far more.

At 8/17/07 04:01 PM, mrdurgan wrote: i see your point, but i'm still anti-nationalist. one thing to be said for nationalism is that it helps destroy imperialism, something i dislike far more.

I'm patriotic but certainly not a stereotypical racist nationalist. Hence the term HUMAN nationalist. As in pro human.

At 8/17/07 04:09 PM, animehater wrote:

At 8/17/07 04:01 PM, mrdurgan wrote: i see your point, but i'm still anti-nationalist. one thing to be said for nationalism is that it helps destroy imperialism, something i dislike far more.

I'm patriotic but certainly not a stereotypical racist nationalist. Hence the term HUMAN nationalist. As in pro human.

yeah, i respect that opinion. hell, come election day in scotland in another 4 years i might even vote scottish nationalist party (an oxymoron i know) if it means an end to imperialist 'great britain'. voting for a nationalist party which could help put an end to the union would be the lesser of two evils here in my view.

At 8/17/07 04:43 PM, mrdurgan wrote: yeah, i respect that opinion. hell, come election day in scotland in another 4 years i might even vote scottish nationalist party (an oxymoron i know) if it means an end to imperialist 'great britain'. voting for a nationalist party which could help put an end to the union would be the lesser of two evils here in my view.

Yeah, we're not a very big fan of secession here. I know The UK has a few dependancies but I would think the empire is long gone now.

At 8/17/07 04:47 PM, animehater wrote:

At 8/17/07 04:43 PM, mrdurgan wrote: yeah, i respect that opinion. hell, come election day in scotland in another 4 years i might even vote scottish nationalist party (an oxymoron i know) if it means an end to imperialist 'great britain'. voting for a nationalist party which could help put an end to the union would be the lesser of two evils here in my view.

Yeah, we're not a very big fan of secession here. I know The UK has a few dependancies but I would think the empire is long gone now.

i'm not on about an end to the british empire, thats way past, i'm on about an end to britain itself, which is what the scottish nationalist party (and welsh equivelant plywd cymru) stand for.

At 8/17/07 05:15 PM, mrdurgan wrote: i'm not on about an end to the british empire, thats way past, i'm on about an end to britain itself, which is what the scottish nationalist party (and welsh equivelant plywd cymru) stand for.

I know that. But I'm not one to support secession. Why not just work for more autonomy? If you have a beef against the monarchy I'd love to support you in trying to build a republic but independence is not my game.

Now lets get to business. Let's talk about democracy. We should support its rise in the world but at the same time try and make it more responsible and organized and not some narcissistic mindlessness.

At 8/18/07 03:23 PM, animehater wrote: Now lets get to business. Let's talk about democracy. We should support its rise in the world but at the same time try and make it more responsible and organized and not some narcissistic mindlessness.

Yes indeed. Democracy kicks ass. Is there anything else that needs to be said?

At 8/18/07 04:26 PM, Pheidippides wrote: Yes indeed. Democracy kicks ass. Is there anything else that needs to be said?

Only that we should be the first to promote it worldwide.

I just came here to apologise for my behavior from a few days ago. So...I'm sorry, I also wish you good luck with your club...eerm, crew...uuh...movement. I hope you accept my apology, but sometimes I can really act like an ass and even tough I don't agree with your ideas, I should be picking arguments with you because of it.

At 8/18/07 04:38 PM, Joic wrote: I just came here to apologise for my behavior from a few days ago. So...I'm sorry, I also wish you good luck with your club...eerm, crew...uuh...movement. I hope you accept my apology, but sometimes I can really act like an ass and even tough I don't agree with your ideas, I should be picking arguments with you because of it.

Um accepted. Well as i said, you seen really good for talks on the politics forum. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it or at least give the impression you haven't.

At 8/18/07 04:44 PM, animehater wrote: Um accepted. Well as i said, you seen really good for talks on the politics forum. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it or at least give the impression you haven't.

Hah, I knew about it, but I really just hang around in Clubs & crews so I kinda forgot about it ^^;; I'm not really that politically involved but it does interest me somewhat. Tough I prefer to keep my politics away from certain forums, sites and even most festivals and bars.I don't really feel like getting stabbed.

At 8/18/07 04:47 PM, Joic wrote: Hah, I knew about it, but I really just hang around in Clubs & crews so I kinda forgot about it ^^;; I'm not really that politically involved but it does interest me somewhat. Tough I prefer to keep my politics away from certain forums, sites and even most festivals and bars.I don't really feel like getting stabbed.

Alright then. Well good luck to ya and may the clubs you join be successful.

At 8/18/07 04:35 PM, animehater wrote: Only that we should be the first to promote it worldwide.

I say this because it seems that while governments claim to promote it at the same time they would make deals with Communist dictatorships. We should be pro democracy all around.

I really like this idea, it gives equal respect to every individual, disregarding their race, religion, age, gender, ect. Satanists and Christians alike could worship in peace and be kind to each other, even though they may not agree spiritually. However, I cannot join because I simply cannot support the anti-choice laws, namely the one prohibiting the use of dangerous substances on ones self. I believe that it is the right of the individual to decide what they would like to do to their own bodies.

At 8/18/07 11:44 PM, DnaInstant wrote: I really like this idea, it gives equal respect to every individual, disregarding their race, religion, age, gender, ect. Satanists and Christians alike could worship in peace and be kind to each other, even though they may not agree spiritually. However, I cannot join because I simply cannot support the anti-choice laws, namely the one prohibiting the use of dangerous substances on ones self. I believe that it is the right of the individual to decide what they would like to do to their own bodies.

Alrighty then about the dissagreement over choice. We just want to help bolster the whole and prevent it from completely being destroyed by narccisiam while at the same time preserve the individual. And i was kinda leaning on the Idea that Satanism would be considered a cult since it looks like it's been formed soley to damage Christianity.

Sure. I'll join. But I do consider myself white, and more importantly, an American. Screw rascist bullshit. The jokes ARE funny, though.

At 8/19/07 01:39 AM, Rumbumfucknut wrote: Sure. I'll join. But I do consider myself white, and more importantly, an American. Screw rascist bullshit. The jokes ARE funny, though.

And are you, by any chance, any good at drawing? We need a symbol, and so far, we haven't found anyone with the ability to draw it.

At 8/19/07 01:39 AM, Rumbumfucknut wrote: Sure. I'll join. But I do consider myself white, and more importantly, an American. Screw rascist bullshit. The jokes ARE funny, though.

Wait wait. I think you need to understand that the first step to ridding the myth of race off the face of the earth is getting rid of racial tittles such as 'white" what you should be doing is focusing on the fact that you are both American and a human being. Because those should be the only two identities you should have.

At 8/19/07 01:10 PM, animehater wrote: Wait wait. I think you need to understand that the first step to ridding the myth of race off the face of the earth is getting rid of racial tittles such as 'white" what you should be doing is focusing on the fact that you are both American and a human being. Because those should be the only two identities you should have.

But all you really need to do is try to rid yourself of the "white identity" and you are welcome here.

Fine, whatever.