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At 6/9/08 02:56 PM, animehater wrote:

Also, about people feeling left out by government, I think in the end we must separate government and country in order to maintain true patriotism.

how would this instill patriotism? what would be the point of this?

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At 6/9/08 08:15 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: how would this instill patriotism? what would be the point of this?

So that people don't go burning the flag just because they have a problem with the Government is all that I'm saying. We need to place more of an emphasis on culture, history, etc.

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At 6/14/08 06:42 PM, animehater wrote: So that people don't go burning the flag

We also have a strong position against doing this at all as well. I think the fact that people think that as free speech is living proof about this modern, more Anarchistic interpretation of our liberties.

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that is why we must take our liberties with responsibility, not exploitation. without free speech we would be talking about this stuff. there wouldnt even be a forum.

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At 8/15/07 06:03 PM, animehater wrote:

Alright lets see here.

1. Patriotic (non defeatist) damnit

I'm damn proud to be an American.

2. Understand that only identity is that of country rather than ethnicity or region (someone who considers themselves Rwandan instead of Hutu or Tusti sort of speak)

I agree, yet I disagree, national identity is important for forms and documents, but personal identity is just as important, who you are as a person.

3. Moral, but not overtly religious

I'm not fundamentalist, but I take pride in my faith.

4. Not one to drink or take illegal substances.

Sorry, but Mexico is too fun to say yes to this one.

5. No hatred for an entire country (not the atin American type)

Yes, I can't hate an entire group of people because I don't know that entire group of people.

6. One for the free Market system (no Communists or Socialists)

Well hold on a minute there, what do you exactly mean by free market. Pure Capatalism or what we've got now, or even a tad more regulated than what we've got now? I am way for personal freedom but the economy needs some controls, even a few more than it has currently, but not even anything remotely close to those two outdated ideologies.

7. Willing to destroy the myth of race once and for all (I.E no African, Asian Americans etc just American)

Yes, indeed all races have wronged themselves so keeping up that silly little African or Asian namesake is kind of idiotic. Civil Wars and self enslavement in Slavery decimates the whole silly idea of "I'm African" and Tibet vs China, N. Korea vs S. Korea and so on . . .

8. Don't have to be religious but respect religion.

I am and I respect the others.

9. Members of all religions welcome (except those that are considered cults) including those who don't even go by a religion

Catholic.

10. If not apart of a religion don't give yourself some bullshit name like Atheist or Agnostic just non religious please.

Well, there are differences between the two. Atheist is complete "I don't believe in Religion and hate all who do", while agnostic is more, "Maybe there is maybe there isn't?" so you can't really clump them all into one group.

11. Gay, straight all welcome.

Straight.

12. No god forsaken bush basher please I don't want any damn twelve year olds thinking themselves rebels god damnit!

Why its so fun! "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . shame on . . .

13. Considers the human Race superior to all other creatures ( that cuts out PETA ,Greenpeace and UFO watchers)

Well we are superior, but I still respect nature, as a hunter I am forced to acknowledge their skills and magnificence.

14. Must be anti monarchy and support a world of republics.

Ya, pretty outdated their, but things like Britain's royal family is tradition, so I'm fine with that, but active Monarchies are pretty far and in between in modern days, so I don't quite get this one.

15. Cosmetic surgery (from boob jobs to sex changes) is a no no. One must respect the natural self.

Mkay

In short those who would be in full support of building a Capitalist Moralistic Democracy with a strong sense of Patriotism and Human Supremacism as i like to call it. So why don't you join up if your able? SUFOLLA DETINU!

No matter what happens at least I can say I tried to pull this one off.

Well expect to be flamed, its a given, trust me, people on NG are dicks until proven otherwise, a fact that you should take to heart.

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At 6/17/08 12:04 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: that is why we must take our liberties with responsibility, not exploitation. without free speech we would be talking about this stuff. there wouldn't even be a forum.

It should be our duty to find the proper balance. The only problem with todays world is that everyone has fascophobia to the point that they're going completely to the opposite direction to anarchy when they need to focus on both.

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first of all, welcome Chickidydow to the forum, we've been waiting for some newcomers. in second, to animehater: just what would be the focus, or balance between fascism and monarchy? would it be totalitarian control with free market, or would it be parlament government with control over the economy. im just wondering about what you meant by trying to focus on both. as i see it, if the world was united in the future, which is the eventual goal of the movement (even if it takes 1 or 6 hundred years) absolute free trade may be within reach.

right now, 3 of the only things keeping at least the U.S. from achieving free trade are competition from other countries, war and conflict, and relience on foreign goods, i.e. oil from the middle east and......everything else from china lol. although the obsticles are few, their navigation will prove a grudging affair.

and so, to explain my earlier proposition of a uniting figure or uniting event or something of the like, i was simply providing an advanced base for discussion. but now, as we come full circle, i reiterate that such a lofty goal of total unity and nationality would need some sort of grand catalyst to spark this momentous change. but rather than change, it is more of a reorganization. so you see, we cant just sit back and wait for our own deus ex machina. that is why i favored the uniting figure rather than the uniting event, because the uniter can choose when and where, but if we choose to wait for an event, we are at the mercy of fate.

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Would donating to the Methusila foundation, (longevity foundation), be a good step in the right direction for a Human Nationalist?

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Free market economy? Again I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Free market as in no controls whatsoever, because thats bad. A little thing happened at the turn of the century and its called monopolies and trusts, it allowed a few men to in actuality control the economy, form political machines and control the government, allowing them to control the people so they couldn't form unions or protect their rights, it was awful, which is why we need controls. Not a lot, just enough.
Think of it like this, people can set their own prices, own their own land and start their own businesses in accordance with zoning laws, but should they completely undersell the rest of the industry, like say, Walmart, or say that through competition the entire industry has their prices set ridiculously high, then the government steps in. Vertical and horizontal integration are fine, but if they are expanded to such a level where a business reaches the proportions of the Carnegie or Rockefeller of old then they must be put into their place by the government for the sake of the consumer.

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well well, some one paid attention in U.S. history class. but obviously i didnt mean complete free market, and dont forget that taft recognized that there indeed existed good trusts and bad trusts. but at this point, i think we have, thanks to the progressives, eliminated most of the threat of political machines, which is now and outdated vehicle for political advancement. but, corporations such as wal-mart are well within the bounds of legal commerce laws. their practices of underselling and verticle integration are all fine. but i dont need a history lesson. what we must realize is that the people have the ability to regulate themselves and check any overpowerful trust or any other organization of the type. the think that pains me the most about the state of society today is the belief that we all must constantly be on our guard.
we think we must always check under the bed before sleep. im tired of all the timmidness and fear in society; the fear of being cheated somehow, out of goods or piece of mind. people have lost their trust. people have forgoten themselves. they worry too much about what the neighbor is up to rather than worrying about living life and making the best of it. because that is the goal in a conventional life (i wont get into religious topics). if everyone would try to practice honesty in relation to business, there deffinately be no need to fear monopolies.
we all just need to come to some sort of understanding. some sort of agreement. some common ground. wether we all condemn our world or give hope for humanity.

this now is very important. for that is the entire meaning of this whole movement, to provide a common ground.

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why no commies, what better way to unite the people by having on class of equality?

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At 6/18/08 09:40 PM, CrazyRussianSniper wrote: why no commies, what better way to unite the people by having on class of equality?

i dont think this is for you, "comrade"

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At 6/17/08 09:16 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: just what would be the focus, or balance between fascism and monarchy?

That part confused me. Because we focus on the formation of republics and forging a politically aware populous in order to counter the fascist argument that the masses are incapable of decision making. So It's neither.

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okay now im confused. your exactally right, i didnt say i wanted a balance. but whatever. the people should be free, independent, and involvded. i think independence is the most valuable commodity in the world today. if the people have a will, they will work to achieve a means. and that is because of independence. Americans have an almost instinctive drive for betterment.

i am suddenly struck with a pang of patriotism in light of our remarkable accomplishments. some may say that our history has been tarnished with dissunity and strife. but that has all been an essential design flaw in the american plan. the U.S. as we know it would not be itself if that trouble had not come about. but i dont only mean politically, i mean the social liberties that we all enjoy have been perfectly preserved by the incessant challenging of accepted norms by right minded and morally forward minds.

that, for sure, is the most obvious reasoning for the denunciation of any type of totalitarian goverment, or even a democratic one whose powers have a hold over such a valuable commodoty as independence. because such an essential element's stifling would prove dissasterous to the nation and social body. furthurmore, the inclusion of this component into the workings of our plan of government has from the start given our nation the chance to proceed into the future with a bright prospect.

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At 6/21/08 10:10 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: that, for sure, is the most obvious reasoning for the denunciation of any type of totalitarian goverment, or even a democratic one whose powers have a hold over such a valuable commodoty as independence.

Well indeed, independence is key to our continued existence.

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so any new ideas? seems like its been all me for a while.

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At 6/26/08 09:38 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: so any new ideas? seems like its been all me for a while.

Well my plan has always been the promotion of more local government in order to allow our ideas to flourish in one small part and have it expand. Promote individualism while weeding out the errors in modern society. Of course we will have to wait to be much larger until we start seeing some real results but I see this as the only method.

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you know, i see. before i tried to conted with your idea of spreading the movement. although weeding out the impurities of society may lead to totalitarian tendencies, like restricting peoples rights in order to control crime. but starting at the base is the key. but where exactally would one start. the papers?demonstration? march?? as far as a local start, i think the internet may be two broad of a tool to use.

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At 7/1/08 10:30 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: but where exactally would one start. the papers?demonstration? march?? as far as a local start, i think the internet may be two broad of a tool to use.

Holy shit I missed the single most important question ever asked in this thread for 14 days? I am sorry. This is where our dilemma starts. I really don't know. I always wanted to get some animator to make films in the style of public service announcements or something and post it on the portal and youtube but that isn't exactly working. Right now all I can really do is talk about it with others. Anyone you could do the same with yourself?

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At 7/15/08 06:04 PM, animehater wrote: I always wanted to get some animator to make films in the style of public service announcements or something and post it on the portal and youtube but that isn't exactly working.

I can animate something if you write me a script ;)

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At 7/24/08 09:18 PM, K-RadPie wrote: I can animate something if you write me a script ;)

Sweet I'll try to make something p later. It should definitely involve actually acting upon the concept of the private sector doing better than government by setting up some massive private organization.

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At 7/26/08 12:24 AM, animehater wrote: Sweet I'll try to make something p later. It should definitely involve actually acting upon the concept of the private sector doing better than government by setting up some massive private organization.

Wow I got sidetracked. You still up to it K-Rad?

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Anyone notice it seems that the drug debate seems to be ehating up slightly as of late? Well Iguess it's just me. Well Id like to reiterate that the HumNat movement is pretty much against all mind altering substances used for non medical uses. We should avoid such mindless "Meism" concerning with only doing what "Feels good". Our minds are the most important part of us and we shouldn't tamper with them but rather use them to further our own progression. That is all.

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At 8/5/08 03:19 PM, animehater wrote: Anyone notice it seems that the drug debate seems to be ehating up slightly as of late?

Nope.

We should avoid such mindless "Meism" concerning with only doing what "Feels good". Our minds are the most important part of us and we shouldn't tamper with them but rather use them to further our own progression. That is all.

Agreed. Unfortunately, I learned that the hard way.

At 8/4/08 09:39 PM, animehater wrote: Wow I got sidetracked. You still up to it K-Rad?

Hellz yea, bro. But try not to make it long and overly complicated.

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So what do y'all think about the South Ossetia War? Seems like kind of a dick move on the Russians' part, bombing Georgian cities which have nothing to do with the conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Sout h_Ossetia_(2008)

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well im just gald they arent a part of nato (Georgia) cause that means we would be involved, and with china backing them, we dont want to go to war with russia of some crappy strip of land that used to be part of the Soviet Union. and i know china has been itching at a chance to fight us so that could be another world war cause russia and china would team up against the U.S. and our main allies.

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i want to join, im fuukin sick of all the people u exclude so i guess ill fit in