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Okay. I just wanted to say that the best way to get anything done is to do it from the ground up, start at the local level. What I'm trying to say is, we need to focus on on giving areas more rights to govern themselves to see HumNat results more quickly in areas more open to the concept. In these local areas we can focus more on changing this up, from banning certain magazines featuring suggestive material to regulating what clothing could be sold in stores. Obviously not until we get public support for these of course. We should also try to better enable parents to be able to help their children resist the narcissistic ways of modern entertainment and making it law when it becomes popular enough.
This leaves me to my next point, With the ability to block out the mindlessness promoted today we could better work on our own sources of entertainment hopefully leading to an entire cultural revolution in an attempt to be independent of the modern entertainment industry.
The point is, self government all the way to help the spread around the world. Sorry if I'm being to blunt.

At 3/17/08 03:12 PM, animehater wrote: cultural revolution

That may have been a bad choice of words.

This is definitely a complicated time to work with our great movement.

Yeah... haven't posted here in a while. Anything new or interesting going on?

At 4/29/08 11:18 PM, K-RadPie wrote: Yeah... haven't posted here in a while. Anything new or interesting going on?

Wow, I haven't looked at this thread long enough to notice a post. Well I'm still rooting for my plan to overthrow Hollywood. Changing the entertainment industry is key to changing America.

At 5/17/08 08:50 PM, animehater wrote: Wow, I haven't looked at this thread long enough to notice a post. Well I'm still rooting for my plan to overthrow Hollywood. Changing the entertainment industry is key to changing America.

Well, good to know it hasn't completely died yet. Guess we should start working on propaganda if we ever want to get anyone on our side.

At 5/21/08 07:11 PM, K-RadPie wrote: Well, good to know it hasn't completely died yet. Guess we should start working on propaganda if we ever want to get anyone on our side.

Damn right. Any ideas as to what should be in it?

I completely dissagree with this club, nationlism over socialism will always result in hate a failure.

At 5/22/08 12:10 PM, sirtom93 wrote: I completely dissagree with this club, nationlism over socialism will always result in hate a failure.

What in the hell are you blabbering on about?

At 5/22/08 03:09 PM, animehater wrote:

At 5/22/08 12:10 PM, sirtom93 wrote: I completely dissagree with this club, nationlism over socialism will always result in hate a failure.

What in the hell are you blabbering on about?

Nationalism is such a rightist notion, do you not see.

At 5/22/08 03:26 PM, sirtom93 wrote: Nationalism is such a rightist notion, do you not see.

When I made that post I didn't notice you were a pinko. But just to answer your concern this is the HUMAN nationalist movement. We also believe that a man should be rewarded for his work something you also wouldn't understand. So really this isn't your cup of tea.

Damn right I don'y belive in this unhumainly cause that everyone should get different before they die.

hey, animehater, wow. i havent been on newgrounds in forever, but i felt the need to branch out at discuss important topics with people other than the dopes at my high school. i think i fit all the criteria in your "manifesto", i believe in God, guns, America and Republicanism. why dont you send me a private message, i am genuinely interested in your movement and would like some more information and maybe some of your views on America and the world.

At 5/25/08 09:11 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: hey, animehater, wow.....

Nice picture.

While i do agree with SOME of your points I still don't understand why you can't have a negative opinion of George Bush without being branded a '12 year old wannabe rebel'. Not trying to start anything, I was just wondering.

he wasnt being specific he was just refering to people who criticize without knowing the whole story or being naive.

At 5/26/08 06:54 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: he wasnt being specific he was just refering to people who criticize without knowing the whole story or being naive.

Yeah I can see how those kinds of people would be infuriatingly annoying.

this nation needs to shape up and find a true leader, some one to unite them under nationalism and moral leadership. we've already had devastating attacks on american soil, but we still cant seem to unite. we still bicker and fight between the two parties, and that gets us nowhere. but also, we cant just wait for a uniter, a "mosiah" of politics, we must seek one out, or we may wait decades and decades to fight him or her. no culture has ever in history sponatiously joined together in nationalism, they all required a guiding figure. some would bring up adverse examples of Hilter, Stalin, Musolini, Hussein, and even Jim Jones as figures who were also great uniters. but those are men who exploited their power as leaders. that is why we must be warry of that characteristic. but in short, in order to unite, we need some unifying figure, and that, a seemingly simple proposition may prove to be the hardest part. people can speak volumes on doctrines, treatise, and manifestos, but until we eliminate the political competition within the country, the idea of unified nationalism will be left on paper and in the minds of many peoples starving for action and reform.

now, i dont expect some violent coup or hostile takover in order to eliminate said competition, but rather an agreement of sorts, a treaty cooperation between the two political factions whom have struggled since their orrigin in earlier whig, democratic-republican, and federalist parties. the one era, the era of good feelings (1916-1919) that most resembled this ideal was an era marked by only one political party, and as history has tought, this is the only way our nation may maintaine its edge on political reform. time and time again we see acts and bill shot down in congress by one faction because it supports the other, without even looking at the true value of the law in question to the people, whom these waring parties decree to protect.

what we may need, is some sort of grassroots, Republican based party that deals directly with the citizens and delivers legislature that best suits their needs. now, you may think this last assertion a bit hipocritical, saying, you support Republicans AND dissagree with factions in politics? well, in my view, the republican party for the most part has represented a better understanding of the responsibility and moral obligation that comes with government positions. and again some might say, well what about George W. Bush? i believe that he has done what he could in this time of war, and the left wing bleeders have failed to see that in times of war, one may have to sacrifice certain liberties that in peace time, will again be reestablished.

and that is a key component to this entire ideal of nationalism, that one may have to sacrifice to furthur the good of the nation, but do not fear what socialist idea you link to this proposal, the nation is to maintain a free market economy and privately owned businesses will NEVER fall under the jurisdiction of the government, even in the most grievest of war time situations.

i have many more ideas and propositions, and i hope that every person interested in the Human Nationalist Movement (HNM) can read this "manifest" of sorts. if there are any questions or arguments, feel free to send me a private message.

At 5/27/08 06:50 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: this nation needs to shape up and find a true leader,

Now I would disagree there, one figure has proven itself to be an unrealistic manner of bringing about positive change, It is better to rather unite based on one ideal (obviously something more specific than the ones in which our republic is based on) and a set of principles instead. This can also be said about one group, the concept of political competition is inevitable and it is best to shape it to it's more productive form rather than trying to change it

and that is a key component to this entire ideal of nationalism, that one may have to sacrifice to furthur the good of the nation, but do not fear what socialist idea you link to this proposal,

Obviously we must maintain that we fight against both selfishness and Socialism, but also the term Nationalism has a truly negative reputation that is commonly thought of as a form of xenophobia, we should try to stick to the title of patriots for our country while being that exact definition of "Nationalists" for the Human race as a whole.

i have many more ideas and propositions,

And I would like to hear them.

"Now I would disagree there, one figure has proven itself to be an unrealistic manner of bringing about positive change, It is better to rather unite based on one ideal"

well that scenario would deffinately prove to be the most diffecult to realize. to ask such a mass of people to wrap themselves around simply a concept may be doomed. people need some kind of persona to attatch themselves to. if given just as an idea on paper, the cause may never catch fire and spread throughout the whole country, and face it, this movement would require almost the entire country to endorse or at least agree. with such a broad base, one cannot expect a great appeal to come from just an idea, even if it is in the minds of many. BUT, if not with a leader, the movement would at least need a spokesperson, and this plan may be more feasible. in fact, since the movement is to occupy such a HUGE audience, there must be a way to reach all sorts of people in all different settings.

thus, it is in times of dire need, depression, or war that this movement is most likely to be birthed into. with depression or war, the "playing field" would be leveled with most americans on the same page of economic cercumstances. but as i have said before, the other diffecult part of the movement, apart from uniting the people, is uniting the political parties, at least in one mind if not one sole party. though wars may wage, and the people become poorer and poorer, politicians will forever be divided. our only hope is that a message of PATRIOTISM may reach them and overwhelm their sense of political autonomy. again, in wartime this scenario is most possible.

well....GUESS WHAT it so happens that we are in a war right now. and if McCain is elected, God willing, there might be a chance for at least the establishment of a serious political party under the name Human Nationalist Movement.

why doesnt animehater reply to this

At 5/28/08 10:46 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: well that scenario would deffinately prove to be the most diffecult to realize. to ask such a mass of people to wrap themselves around simply a concept may be doomed. people need some kind of persona to attach themselves to.

obviously a voice would be required to spread the message, but this voice must not be held to a higher standard than what he is saying.

thus, it is in times of dire need, depression, or war that this movement is most likely to be birthed into.

There was a time when I would agree with you, but my experience has shown me that such things might probably lead the people in the opposite direction, they must be somehow convinced that us HumNats have their best interests in heart. It also seems that for us to succeed we must start from the bottom up from the small town to the entire planet as well.

well....GUESS WHAT it so happens that we are in a war right now. and if McCain is elected, God willing, there might be a chance for at least the establishment of a serious political party under the name Human Nationalist Movement.

Again, over the years I have become so disillusioned with the concept of political parties. I think it would be best to try to work ourselves within the two party system and become the beating heart of American politics rather than trying to form a piece of it.

At 5/30/08 11:14 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: why doesn't animehater reply to this

Sorry, I've been wrapped around a few other things lately.

i deffinately agree with starting on a small scale and working up, that would be the simplest way, and we would already have support when we go national. but do you mean that we should just be like an independent party, or a combination of both parties. eventually, if we have enough supporters the other parties would fade out because most of the people would be with us. but yes, political parties, i feel, have only effected us in the negative so far. it is just a place where one can breed biasts and hate unchecked.

but as i said a while ago, we need to deal with the real issues, i know there will be different issues by the time the movement reaches fruition. but what will we do about poverty, food shortage, energy sources, war, and preservation?

At 5/31/08 11:45 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: but do you mean that we should just be like an independent party, or a combination of both parties.

I'm saying we take over both of the major parties.

but as i said a while ago, we need to deal with the real issues, i know there will be different issues by the time the movement reaches fruition. but what will we do about poverty, food shortage, energy sources, war, and preservation?

Well I've always believed in the concept of teaching a man to fish. I have also believed in the movement accomplishing these things mentioned through the private mention. Basically a big ass charity working for political power.

well once in power, a charity may be hard to manage nationally and internationally, especially with crooks and cons at work. but what would our real objectives be? what i hate about all these democratic bleeding hearts is that they all cry for change and want to change the system, but they never know what to change it to or how to change it. like obama saying he is going to change the country, but i havent heard too many ideas for this supposed new changed america. i would just like to develope some sort of policy for the issued ive mentioned already. an we need to somehow spread the word about this forum because we two are the only ones posting lol. maybe our own website or something. and another thing, how do you want to get this off the ground, because i am deffinately motivated towards this.

wow, i didnt mean to put that picture in, it doesnt have anything to do with the actual post

At 6/3/08 06:52 PM, Akhi11eus wrote: I would just like to develop some sort of policy for the issued I've mentioned already. And we need to somehow spread the word about this forum because we two are the only ones posting lol. maybe our own website or something. And another thing, how do you want to get this off the ground, because I am definitely motivated towards this.

Our goal is to defeat narcissism while preserving individuality and progressing to the stars ( the latter definitely being in the long run). And how to get it off the ground? How many people you know actually aren't the far left loons, stereotypically liberal, or politically neutral and/or ignorant. And if possible talk with them on changing your own local area to remove vices and increase a sense of patriotism, pride in humanity (as in not being an animal or environmental activist), and promoting education to bring about technological advancement and creating a new cultural renaissance to combat the stupidity Hollywood and the music industry spew out.

I myself know no one who would help me there. But if I did and it became big enough, I'd try to help communities in dealing joblessness, drug abuse, etc. without the involvement of government to remove any potential dependency to it anyone nay have. Basically beat the government at their own game in an attempt to stop Socialism in it's tracks.

Speaking of which, I need to find some of those kind of people.

what kind of people do you mean? i am somber tonight. a veil has crossed my eyes. i dont really know what to think right now. i was thinking about a more absolute form of democracy. what do you think of changing our government system? not to a dictatorship or something like that, but like one big senate where all states are represented and votes are cast on important issues. and if a motion passes, it passes, no vetoes based on political biasts or partisanism. the senators vote according to the will of their state. the senators votes are not annonymous, and if it is found that a senator voted not with his state, he is imprisoned. you see, i want this movement to be able to explore different possibilities for the advancement of the country. i think that instead of going through the party politics and bullshit, a change higher up may be more useful. now im just exploring any idea, now is the time to explore the possibilities for our future, when the movement comes to fruition is not the time to decide our plans, it is now, in its infantcy. so if you have any ideas about anything, the systems, or laws or anything involving the country, be my guest.

the main thing that will keep this whole movement together is honesty. it is what our whole idea is based upon, the upholding of moral standards and a constant awareness of the oppinions, ideas, and concerns of the people. that is why i suggested a more democratic system. it would only make sense if one was pursuing a pure and balanced nation. and from a "pure" nation comes a strong and undefeatable sense of patriotism. i think that the reason most people that arent patriotic take that stance is that they feel left out of the prosess, allienated and ignored by the governemt. but if we could evolve to a genuenly self aware governemt the country would be seriously united. so really, tell me what you think of all this, and add your own ideas.

let us not become to narrow sighted, especially in the genesis of the cause. for this would prove the death of possibly the most promising prospect for the future. because after all, our governemt must evolve and change with the people's need. as the greats said, OF, FOR, and BY THE PEOPLE. if we lose sight of this goal, then we have lost all hope of this country surviving the test of time. history has shown that if the governemt waits around until the cries of the people overshadow the advancement of the country, it is too late. so, like you said, we need to beat the government to the punch and better our own society. and sooner or later, the govt. will see our cause and there will come big change. im not saying that the present govt. is currupt, wrong, or unjust, i just want to improve upon great ideas which have survived since the nation's advent. for that, as ive said, is the obligation of the govt, to constantly evolve to fit the needs of the changing world and its people.

i love this country and am proud of most of its dealings. as some are the dealings of greedy hands in powerful positions. honesty, morality, self-awareness

i had to add this pic.

Now I really wouldn't want to chage our form of goverment too much, you never know how things could go wrong. That's why I am for bringing about results by taking control of the system and modifying it.

Also, about people feeling left out by government, I think in the end we must separate government and country in order to maintain true patriotism.