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you make it seem as Canada never does nay defense research.

You JUST noticed that?

Come on JoS, you're words are gonna fall of deaf ears, even WITH the link. You'll have more luck yelling at your wall till it collapses.....

I think the Arab Muslims have got us all beat

Could be....

Someone else do the math

At 8/13/07 06:53 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

What have Canadians invented that is anywhere NEAR as important as those things?

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How about the Canadarm which is on the space shuttles & the space station.
What about the extension for the arm , so it can allow a complete inspection of the entire shuttle platform. & the laser system that was used to map out/ scan the damaged area.
It is also a Canadian Invention.

But it, wasn't an American invention so its probably not important.. sorry carry on.

At 8/13/07 11:01 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 8/13/07 06:53 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

What have Canadians invented that is anywhere NEAR as important as those things?

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How about the Canadarm which is on the space shuttles & the space station.
What about the extension for the arm , so it can allow a complete inspection of the entire shuttle platform. & the laser system that was used to map out/ scan the damaged area.
It is also a Canadian Invention.

But it, wasn't an American invention so its probably not important.. sorry carry on.

heck, they`re using the Canadarm for the ISS in space in a few days

:come on, you can`t not say that is not important.

At 8/13/07 06:53 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 8/13/07 06:02 AM, Jerconjake wrote:

At 8/13/07 05:12 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Source material please. Also, you have ten times our population, and over ten times our GDP. Yeah, sounds fairly lopsided.

It's lopsided even being population and GDP differences. Do you expect me to list every single invention and breakthrough, and then list every single invention and breakthrough by Canadians as well.

I expect you to rebut, not ignore the question.

Think about it this way, an America discovered electricity, invented the semi-conductor, the light bulb etc... Americans pioneered flight (actual flight) and invented the airplane. Americans invented the personal computer, the internet, radar, the microwave, the refrigerator, the MP3 player, the tube television, and basically every other modern piece of technology.

Canadians Henry Woodward and Mathew Evans patented the first light bulb in 1874, before selling it to Edison. It's already been shown how flight was, at the very least, not solely American. The inventor of radar is commonly considered to be Scotsman Robert Watson-Watt. America had nothing to do with the discovery of microwaves. The first artificial refrigeration was demonstrated by William Cullen, who was a Scot.

What have Canadians invented that is anywhere NEAR as important as those things?

*Deep breath* ... Insulin, the telephone, light bulb, pacemaker, wonderbra, Robertson screw, zipper, electric wheelchair, Javascript, Canadarm, electron microscope, Ski-Doo, Blackberry, electric oven, walkie-talkie, alkaline batteries, snowblower, plexiglas, and key fram animation (yes Newgrounds, thank Canada), to name a few.

If Canadian companies could produce high-end military equipment under US contract, they would. But they can't. It's not only an issue of money, because if it were, then Canadian companies would be given contracts if they actually had the capability to produce the same things.

But that's not really the point. What I meant before was that military spending is not as economically important in Canada, and therefore there is little need for major Federal investment in companies to produce new weapons systems.

But you're failing to realize that American companies would still be far ahead regardless of federal investment. Very few American companies actually get grants, and they only get grants when they have already shown they can give the government what it wants.

Don't pretend that Boeing, for example, became as huge as it is today without the government. World War Two made them. Also, after the end of the war the civilian Stratocruiser failed to catch on, and it was Federal military defense spending that saved the company. Also, there is little need for such companies in Canada, when we can just buy the finished product.

Your Boeing, for instance, has an assload of Federal military contracts right now, which is why they are at the forefront of technology.

Actually Boeing gets military contracts BECAUSE it's at the forefront of technology. Companies don't just get money out of the blue

Of course not. What I was implying is that it's not too difficult to be a leader in design and production when you have the world's biggest economic powerhouse behind you. That's why it's not all that remarkable that you have the most advanced technologies. It's been fifty years since Boeing wasn't largely funded by the Federal Government. You also spend four times as much of your GDP on the military, which is ten times larger than our own.

That's not why you're "stoopider", it's a result of it. lolzomglmao

Omg I can't believe you fell for that!! Lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're an idiot... I knew you were being sarcastic, so I was sarcastic hence the "lolzomglmao".

Sigh. I'm aware of that you fool, hence the over-zealous exclamation points.

Yep, pretty pathetic for JoS to gloat about getting an airplane when all the hard work and effort to design and create the plane was exerted by Americans huh?

Pathetic to gloat about it as an accomplishment, because it's not. Still, we get the better deal. That much is basically set in stone.

Dwell on that.

At 8/13/07 01:19 PM, tawc wrote: Eurpeans were definitly the real pioneers of flight.

Even though Americans were actually the first people to fly? Even though Americans, you know, ACTUALLY pioneered flight?

Infact the wright brothers didn't really make the first self powered flight either.

Actually they did.

Europeans have done way more than Americans.So Stop talking shit.

You're delusional. Keep saying that while you're on an American website, on the internet which was invented by Americans, on a computer that was invented by Americans, powered by electricity that was discovered, and harnessed by Americans who pioneered the practical application of electricity.

At 8/13/07 01:34 PM, Imperator wrote:

Yep, pretty pathetic for JoS to gloat about getting an airplane when all the hard work and effort to design and create the plane was exerted by Americans huh?

Well to be fair, I don't know how much pride we can really asses

Um what? We can "asses"?

with a company that will still sell its products to other countries.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. In that case, the Germans can't take pride in their BMWs, the Italians can't take pride in their Ferraris, and the Japanese can't take pride in their Toyotas etc...

Sure, it's "Made in America", but Boeing is a very international corp.

Not with military aircraft. The C-17 was funded by, designed by, and built by Americans, in an American company, in America.

10 bucks says that guy got banned.

At 8/13/07 02:57 PM, JoS wrote: Boeing threatens to cancel and Congress orders 10 more planes.

What's the point? How are you trying to distort this give credit to Canada again?

You did the research and dveleopment over a decade ago, and you make it seem as Canada never does nay defense research.

It didn't for the plane we're talking about. You're basically giving credit to Canada for buying an American plane... even though Canada didn't develop a plane for itself.

Might I remind you of the Avro Arrow

In which basically all of its components, including the engines, were American?

that the White House pressured us to scrap for Bomark missels because they were afraid it would hurt their aerospace industry.

That would be another pathetic Canadian myth. I'm sure you're basing this on the bullshit you heard in the CBC make-believe documentary "The Arrow" right? You know, the movie that was historically inaccurate...

The Arrow was canceled because it was a FAILURE and Canada couldn't afford it anymore. I love it how you Canadians have to always revise history to feel better about your country.

Boeing actively is looking for international buyers. The airframes were originally slated for the US AF, the rest of the plane was built specifically for the Canadian order, not US divereted ones.

JoS, just stop making up lies... the only difference about the C-17s made for Canada is the decals of Canadian flags put on them... the paint job is the only difference.

Oh and JoS... read:

She said the speed of the purchase was impressive. "We're buying a proven platform and we're leveraging off the USAF." The leverage she referred to is the Global Sustainment Program (GSP) that manages every C-17 in the world as a member of a 'virtual fleet'. Every aircraft in a bloc is identical to every other one, or is in the process of becoming identical. The virtual C-17 fleet is "plain vanilla," Dunehew said, with no real difference between American and foreign aircraft. "Just the paint scheme."

Hale said the Global Sustainment Program was absolutely key to the procurement. "When we're such a small fleet, I don't know how a small country like Canada could afford it on its own. I think it makes the whole program affordable. That was part of the whole procurement strategy."

The GSP is a public-private agreement designed around the concept of performance-based logistics where the customer pays for readiness, not specific parts or services. Under the agreement, Boeing is responsible for all C-17 sustainment activities, including material management and depot maintenance support. The partnership capitalizes on Boeing's expertise and that of the Air Force depots to ensure a readiness level that meets the warfighter's needs.

So the plane isn't specially made for Canada as you said, AND Canada still won't even have an independent air lift capability, the planes will be managed and maintained by Boeing.

You're running out of reasons to be proud there JoS.

how is this such a bitch fest? Canada bought a few planes to fulfill the limited needs of its comparativly small army.

At 8/15/07 12:46 AM, SolInvictus wrote: how is this such a bitch fest? Canada bought a few planes to fulfill the limited needs of its comparativly small army.

Cellardoor6 likes to bring down everything Canada tries to do

When I said specially made for Canada, I mean we didn't buy a used one. These planes arent like buying a car, you dont just go to a lot and say I want the blue one. We ordered the plane and had it built for us, we didnt order a plane and they gave us one that was slated for the US, as you implied. We weren't given you governments overstock, we bough the planes ourselves from an American company. Its a big leap from them being built in the US by an American company to them being provided by the United States.

Your heavy lift planes, that are provided by the US,

Why do I bring up the fact you order more planes when Boeing threatens to shut down the program? Because you said you need 157 planes because you are thinking about what you would need if there was a major war. You arent buying them to be safe ratehr than sorry, you are buying them so politiicians can bring home the bacon.

:It's more than we need right now, but if there was a large war right now those planes would be used as much as possible. Better to be safe than sorry, just because we're not using them right now doesn't mean we couldn't benefit from them in case of a large, active conflict.

As for a lack of godo inventions from Canada, need I say mroe than this. Thats right the US government was worried that everything around them would stop if Canada stopped "providing" the US with Blackberry service.

At 8/15/07 02:09 AM, JoS wrote: When I said specially made for Canada, I mean we didn't buy a used one.

Hmm, sounded like you were implying the planes, other than the airframes, were built with Canadian specifications. Seems as if you're trying to make it seem that the model of the plane itself that Canada is getting wasn't already designed for the US.

Its a big leap from them being built in the US by an American company to them being provided by the United States.

Um no... because that American company is - get this - American (surprise). The C-17 was created under an American government program, it was funded by Americans, the research that lead to it was done by Americans, it was developed and designed by Americans, and it was physically assembled by Americans. It's an American plane, slapping a maple leaf on it does in NO WAY allow you to take credit for it.

Seriously, you're gloating about a new capability that was provided to you in its finished form, your country didn't have to do any real work other than sign a check, bypassing all the hard work in the process.

Buying something isn't the same as creating something.

Your heavy lift planes, that are provided by the US,

Why do I bring up the fact you order more planes when Boeing threatens to shut down the program? Because you said you need 157 planes because you are thinking about what you would need if there was a major war.

So you think that if there was a major war those planes wouldn't be used?Anyway, we've had those planes before Boeing requested they get a contract for more. You article you provided was dated in March of this year, and referenced a request from Boeing last year. But the planes have been in service for 14 years.

You arent buying them to be safe ratehr than sorry, you are buying them so politiicians can bring home the bacon.

Boeing requested to build 10 extra planes... out of 157 we already have... which doesn't include the 190 being built. So you're saying that we don't need all those planes, just because Boeing requested a contract for 10 more last year and this year? 10 out of 347 aren't needed maybe, but when you said that I was talking about the 157, which we've had before Boeing made that request.

As for a lack of godo inventions from Canada, need I say mroe than this. Thats right the US government was worried that everything around them would stop if Canada stopped "providing" the US with Blackberry service.

Haha I'm going to be like you now.

"oh that doesn't count because those are just from a Canadian company. It's not Canada, because those blackberries were made to be sold in the US to fill a market demand. Doesn't count, neh neh neh neh."

At 8/15/07 02:37 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Its a big leap from them being built in the US by an American company to them being provided by the United States.

Um no... because that American company is - get this - American (surprise). The C-17 was created under an American government program, it was funded by Americans, the research that lead to it was done by Americans, it was developed and designed by Americans, and it was physically assembled by Americans. It's an American plane, slapping a maple leaf on it does in NO WAY allow you to take credit for it.

When I refer to US I am generally refering to the US gov't in this case, and when I am refering to Americans or American companies I say Americans, perhaps it is our terminology that is getting us so hung up on this one issue. I realize its an American company, I am implying that the US gov't (and well really the country) is nto giving us the planes, it is a company doing what a company does best, trying to make a profit by sellign its product.

Haha I'm going to be like you now.

"oh that doesn't count because those are just from a Canadian company. It's not Canada, because those blackberries were made to be sold in the US to fill a market demand. Doesn't count, neh neh neh neh."

If you didnt notice I put provided in quote as I was being sarcastic. Your logic would dictate though that you are just free ridiing off an Canadian invention, and didnt have to do the work of inventing it yourself. You just signed a check and get the benifits of Canadian engineering.

At 8/15/07 03:10 AM, JoS wrote: If you didnt notice I put provided in quote as I was being sarcastic. Your logic would dictate though that you are just free ridiing off an Canadian invention, and didnt have to do the work of inventing it yourself. You just signed a check and get the benifits of Canadian engineering.

This MIGHT have made sense if I created a topic bragging about the US attaining Blackberries.

At 8/15/07 03:22 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 8/15/07 03:10 AM, JoS wrote: If you didnt notice I put provided in quote as I was being sarcastic. Your logic would dictate though that you are just free ridiing off an Canadian invention, and didnt have to do the work of inventing it yourself. You just signed a check and get the benifits of Canadian engineering.

This MIGHT have made sense if I created a topic bragging about the US attaining Blackberries.

No, but you did say we neevr invent anything good and we just leech off of the US. This is an example of the US leeching of Canada. Why invent something new when there is something just as good already aviable?

At 8/15/07 03:31 AM, JoS wrote:

At 8/15/07 03:22 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 8/15/07 03:10 AM, JoS wrote: If you didnt notice I put provided in quote as I was being sarcastic. Your logic would dictate though that you are just free ridiing off an Canadian invention, and didnt have to do the work of inventing it yourself. You just signed a check and get the benifits of Canadian engineering.

This MIGHT have made sense if I created a topic bragging about the US attaining Blackberries.

No, but you did say we neevr invent anything good and we just leech off of the US. This is an example of the US leeching of Canada. Why invent something new when there is something just as good already aviable?

You know JoS, US companies have created plenty of devices like the Blackberry.

What's that thing that's been around for a lot longer than the Blackberry? Oh yeah that's right the Palm, in its various incarnations for over a decade. Blackberry isn't an exclusive technology, Canada didn't invent a mobile e-mail device.

The thing is the Palm is not as good as the Blackberry, otherwise everyone would use it instead of the Palm. Serioulsy, how many things have the White House said if they were to stop functioning could cause some kind of national crisis, that is not a utility or essential service?

At 8/15/07 03:31 AM, JoS wrote:

At 8/15/07 03:22 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 8/15/07 03:10 AM, JoS wrote:

This MIGHT have made sense if I created a topic bragging about the US attaining Blackberries.

No, but you did say we neevr invent anything good and we just leech off of the US. This is an example of the US leeching of Canada. Why invent something new when there is something just as good already aviable?

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Still waiting to have my Canadarm, invention/technology , response ripped up .... I'm guessing that Cellar, has to do some more spindoctoring to convince the world what a uselees piece of shit that is.
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Oh , Jos heard anything about how the shuttle heat tile repair is proceeding?
I know that they were looking into how they were going to proceed, I hope our Canadian astronaut doesn't get in anybodies way when they go out & repair it. lol

At 8/14/07 05:36 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Um what? We can "asses"?

assess*. I missed one letter, sue me. I thought you were smart? Surely you could have figured that out.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while. In that case, the Germans can't take pride in their BMWs, the Italians can't take pride in their Ferraris, and the Japanese can't take pride in their Toyotas etc...

Yeah they can be proud, they just can't claim that Germany has the best cars in the world, cause every John Smith in America has the same car. It doesn't really say a lot when we spout having the best technology, while selling the exact same tech to 20 different countries.....

Not with military aircraft. The C-17 was funded by, designed by, and built by Americans, in an American company, in America.

Fine.

At 8/13/07 06:21 PM, Imperator wrote: Could be....

Someone else do the math

I do agree that the greco-romans developed some of the most revolutionary structures, and philosophies of all time. but then the Muslim Arabs came along preserved all those ancient scriptures, texts, maps, improved on them and even added their own fields of learning.So while the Europeans were stagnated in the dark ages and when Germanic tribes were roaming across the lands trying to consolidate new kingdoms, and territory's from the remained by the Western Roman empire which was in shambles the Muslims were keeping the light of Greek-roman light alive and burning.

At 8/13/07 04:51 AM, NostalgicNGer wrote: cellardoor6 should get modded, or at least recognized as a smart, intelligent user.

Bad idea; anyone who has even the slightest leftist views, points out the Republican's flaws, or says anything bad America would be banned for 30 days.

cellardoor6 should get modded, or at least recognized as a smart, intelligent user.

I'm willing to bet that all the users that have hated cellardoor6 are either jealous of him, or just can't stand to have lost an argument to him.

cellardoor6 is a cool, awesome user. He needs to always have a presence or legacy on Newgrounds.

Pfff HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH! HOOOOOO! Thanks kid, I needed that!!!!

WHOOO that was a doosey!!!

And Cellypoo does have a legacy (well, self-proclaimed anyway). He's the Pariah of NG!

At 8/15/07 07:21 PM, SouthAsian wrote:
I do agree that the greco-romans developed some of the most revolutionary structures, and philosophies of all time....

Oh I wasn't trying to make a point or arugment, I was just throwing some Classics into the mix for my own enjoyment. But you do have good points. Only thing I wouldn't rule out is the contribution of the Catholic Church in preserving Western Civilization. They did a lot more than people give them credit for, including keeping Latin alive so we have the pleasure of translating everything today.

At 8/15/07 01:28 AM, LightandDark wrote: Cellardoor6 likes to bring down everything Canada tries to do

sure it wasn't Jos attempting to overhype a few planes?

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?