Conservative, or Liberal?

[KyleTheMadcap]

This is simply an opinion thread.
I also hope to stir up some intelligent conversation in the matter, as well.

I, am very Liberal.
I believe in free thought, and speech, and etc.
I think that the Conservative way of life is one where people are hidden from the truth, and a very small percent of the population control everyone else.
I think you can fool some people, sometimes... But you can't fool all the people all the time (in the wise words of Bob Marley).
...Which leads to the downfall of Conservatism.
There will always be people who disagree, no matter how hard you try to push your way of life upon people.
So why bother, in my opinion.

Any input?

[Der-Lowe]

Conservatives are dictators now?

[animehater]

At 8/9/07 02:09 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: Conservatives are dictators now?

No, in addition to that he says they are corrupt robber barons who want to make themselves richer and the poor poorer by his logic..

[KyleTheMadcap]

At 8/9/07 02:09 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: Conservatives are dictators now?

To be honest, yes, on a lesser scale.
They do "brainwash" people, although that term is defined loosely.

They just aren't killing people, like fascists.

[animehater]

At 8/9/07 02:14 PM, KyleTheMadcap wrote: To be honest, yes, on a lesser scale.
They do "brainwash" people, although that term is defined loosely.

Yes yes and if a person has a diferent opinion than you they are just being "controlled" by the conservatives am I right? And hollywood and shit are actually liberating peoples mind by promoting their own ideals.

[SkunkyFluffy]

At 8/9/07 02:14 PM, KyleTheMadcap wrote:

At 8/9/07 02:09 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: Conservatives are dictators now?

To be honest, yes, on a lesser scale.
They do "brainwash" people, although that term is defined loosely.

They just aren't killing people, like fascists.

I would say that liberals are just as guilty of brainwashing people as conservatives.

There's a major difference between being liberal and being a liberal, just like there's a difference between being conservative and being a conservative. The connotations have changed over the years. Both terms can be used as pejoratives. True conservatism, and true liberalism, are almost nonexistent in the major political groups. There are an increasing number of Americans who do not identify themselves as either liberal or conservative, and do not ally themselves with either Democrats or Republicans, because those labels do not accurately represent who they are and what they believe.

But, as my darling old staunch-Republican grandmother loves to say, "If you're a moderate, you're nothing." The feeling that if you do not belong to either side you are copping out is still fairly prevalent.

[SkunkyFluffy]

At 8/9/07 02:04 PM, KyleTheMadcap wrote: I think you can fool some people, sometimes... But you can't fool all the people all the time (in the wise words of Bob Marley).

Oh, and this was first said by Abraham Lincoln, who I would consider a greater political philosopher than Bob Marley.

[Me-Patch]

The terms liberal and conservative have become so fucked up in relation to modern politics that I don't even know what they mean anymore.

[KyleTheMadcap]

At 8/9/07 02:18 PM, animehater wrote: Yes yes and if a person has a diferent opinion than you they are just being "controlled" by the conservatives am I right? And hollywood and shit are actually liberating peoples mind by promoting their own ideals.

Nope.
Hollywood is just a candy-coated glamed up version of what people think is "cool".

People with different opinions aren't being "controlled" per say... But Conservatives are more guilty of pushing shit on you, then liberals, because they promote free thinking.
Liberals in the government are probably just as rotten as Conservatives to be honest.
But it's the ideal way of live I'm interested in... I don't like the idea of Government, no matter who's running it.

I believe in a very east Indian way of life... Which is why I'm moving there as soon as I finish high school.

[animehater]

At 8/9/07 02:24 PM, KyleTheMadcap wrote: I believe in a very east Indian way of life... Which is why I'm moving there as soon as I finish high school.

You a freshman or a sophomore?

[Me-Patch]

At 8/9/07 02:24 PM, KyleTheMadcap wrote: I believe in a very east Indian way of life... Which is why I'm moving there as soon as I finish high school.

Don't they have a caste system in India.

[KyleTheMadcap]

At 8/9/07 02:21 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: I would say that liberals are just as guilty of brainwashing people as conservatives.

Fair enough, I suppose...

There's a major difference between being liberal and being a liberal, just like there's a difference between being conservative and being a conservative.

Agreed...

The connotations have changed over the years. Both terms can be used as pejoratives. True conservatism, and true liberalism, are almost nonexistent in the major political groups.

Agreed, as I already stated in a previous post.

There are an increasing number of Americans who do not identify themselves as either liberal or conservative, and do not ally themselves with either Democrats or Republicans, because those labels do not accurately represent who they are and what they believe.

Yeah, true enough.
But, my thread was meant as a general... Not meant to say "are you voting Liberal, or Conservative", but instead, what is you preferred way of life.

At 8/9/07 02:22 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: Oh, and this was first said by Abraham Lincoln, who I would consider a greater political philosopher than Bob Marley.

Hahah, I didn't know who originally said it.
But I suppose I would take Abraham more seriously then Bob, although I love his music.

[animehater]

I just want to say that that first post was very arrogant, ignorant and biaed. Using generalizations like "They brainwash people" has no place in the politics forum. Back your shit up or gtfo.

[Memorize]

Because, you know, we're the ones trying to ban words like "n*gger" and "bitch" and "hoe", like New York...

[SmilezRoyale]

At 8/9/07 02:24 PM, KyleTheMadcap wrote:

At 8/9/07 02:18 PM, animehater wrote: Yes yes and if a person has a diferent opinion than you they are just being "controlled" by the conservatives am I right? And hollywood and shit are actually liberating peoples mind by promoting their own ideals.

Nope.
Hollywood is just a candy-coated glamed up version of what people think is "cool".

Hollywood expresses Liberal thought processes. And yes, liberalism is cool. Socialisticly swinging spending styles of the government and lacking of personal responcibility are What is popular.

People with different opinions aren't being "controlled" per say... But Conservatives are more guilty of pushing shit on you, then liberals, because they promote free thinking.

You can think anything Freely, I could share nazi ideals [I don't really], and express them, that is thinking freely. Liberals say that people should say whatever they want, whenever they wan't; but are often in opposition when the Free thinking includes ideals that oppose they're own. The only reason they consider it free thinking is because they have deduced that if you are in favor of the government or more conservative based ideologies, the only logical explanation is because you're brainwashed by the government; there's no rhyme or reason to it but this.

Liberals in the government are probably just as rotten as Conservatives to be honest.
But it's the ideal way of live I'm interested in... I don't like the idea of Government, no matter who's running it.

And i hope you enjoy your east indian life style.

[Memorize]

At 8/9/07 04:24 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

The only reason they consider it free thinking is because they have deduced that if you are in favor of the government or more conservative based ideologies, the only logical explanation is because you're brainwashed by the government; there's no rhyme or reason to it but this.

Which is interesting considering conservatives are more likely to dislike government.

Liberal: "Conservatives must be brainwashed by the corrupt government... but let's make the government bigger".

[SmilezRoyale]

At 8/9/07 04:28 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 8/9/07 04:24 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

The only reason they consider it free thinking is because they have deduced that if you are in favor of the government or more conservative based ideologies, the only logical explanation is because you're brainwashed by the government; there's no rhyme or reason to it but this.

Which is interesting considering conservatives are more likely to dislike government.

Liberal: "Conservatives must be brainwashed by the corrupt government... but let's make the government bigger".

No what i meant was, the liberal philosophy is not to trust the government when the government isn't running socialist policies. [As socialist polciies are the only true way to show that the government cares about the people, by giving the down-trodden handouts of money]

[JugoDeMonstruo]

At 8/9/07 02:34 PM, animehater wrote: I just want to say that that first post was very arrogant, ignorant and biaed. Using generalizations like "They brainwash people" has no place in the politics forum. Back your shit up or gtfo.

But it's true! Conservatives are the only people who are brainwashed by the government. We liberals are more evolved, free thinking people. To deny that is to prove how brainwashed, evil, and corrupt you are.

[DigitalMandrill]

Liberals are pussies.
Conservatives are assholes.

[Der-Lowe]

At 8/9/07 02:22 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: Oh, and this was first said by Abraham Lincoln, who I would consider a greater political philosopher than Bob Marley.

I thought so, but I was wondering whether it was one of those quotes applied to several people, like the Shakespeare one between Sarmiento and Unamuno.

for those who not know, Sarmiento (or Unamuno, we do not know) was talking with some people, and he pronounced Shakespeare in Spanish, and the people he was talking to, interrupted him and told him to pronounce it in English, to what he responded, "Fine, we're talking in English now?", and spoke to them in English, and they understood nothing , since they did not speak the language.

[SmilezRoyale]

At 8/9/07 04:48 PM, JugoDeMonstruo wrote:

At 8/9/07 02:34 PM, animehater wrote: I just want to say that that first post was very arrogant, ignorant and biaed. Using generalizations like "They brainwash people" has no place in the politics forum. Back your shit up or gtfo.

But it's true! Conservatives are the only people who are brainwashed by the government. We liberals are more evolved, free thinking people. To deny that is to prove how brainwashed, evil, and corrupt you are.

That's a double edged sword mate.

If we ask you to proove why we are brainwashed and corrupt then we have prooven that we are brainwashed and corrupt. [But i thought liberals wanted smart people to question those who give information as to better learn; well it's obvious they don't from what you're saiyng] And if we accept it, well i would personally hate to feed your un-argueable ego.

[plunjadoody]

At 8/9/07 02:21 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote:

At 8/9/07 02:14 PM, KyleTheMadcap wrote:

At 8/9/07 02:09 PM, Der-Lowe wrote: Conservatives are dictators now?

To be honest, yes, on a lesser scale.
They do "brainwash" people, although that term is defined loosely.

They just aren't killing people, like fascists.

I would say that liberals are just as guilty of brainwashing people as conservatives.

There's a major difference between being liberal and being a liberal, just like there's a difference between being conservative and being a conservative. The connotations have changed over the years. Both terms can be used as pejoratives. True conservatism, and true liberalism, are almost nonexistent in the major political groups. There are an increasing number of Americans who do not identify themselves as either liberal or conservative, and do not ally themselves with either Democrats or Republicans, because those labels do not accurately represent who they are and what they believe.

But, as my darling old staunch-Republican grandmother loves to say, "If you're a moderate, you're nothing." The feeling that if you do not belong to either side you are copping out is still fairly prevalent.

i am all arms for scruffyfluffy...u see both sides have there ups and downs....as a yung boy growing up in a conservative family with libral surrondings...i feel that u shood not base ur self on either "way of life"......for example...i want 2 go into the marines when i come of age....one the other hand i watch the news and hear what the media tells me about the current war but i think 2 myself, how do we know these arent lies? I might say im from a conservative backround but as u can see it isnt wrong 2 question ur goverment, weither ur a american sniper counting head shots or a drug addict hippie...

[JugoDeMonstruo]

That's a double edged sword mate.

Sarcasm n00b.

[SkunkyFluffy]

At 8/10/07 02:01 AM, plunjadoody wrote: i am all arms for scruffyfluffy...

God, I wish that was my screenname, it would be so much cooler than the one I've got.

And, um, what does it mean to be "all arms?"

There have been a lot of studies lately that show that Americans are less aware of political issues and figures than they were twenty years ago. People generally see this as a sign of decay in our educational systems, or something similarly awful. Honestly I think a lot of people stop caring because it's all so damned depressing.

[agentprovocateur0811]

Classical Liberalism

I think you should familiarize yourself with political ideologies more thoroughly instead of basing your knowledge of them on rhetoric or media network bullshit.

I am an extreme economic conservative, and by the definition provided in the above link, more accurately fall into the category of "Classical Liberal" or Libertarian.

[Memorize]

At 8/10/07 12:51 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote:

There have been a lot of studies lately that show that Americans are less aware of political issues and figures than they were twenty years ago. People generally see this as a sign of decay in our educational systems, or something similarly awful.

That certainly explains how Clinton was elected.

[Drakim]

At 8/10/07 12:52 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 8/10/07 12:51 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote:

There have been a lot of studies lately that show that Americans are less aware of political issues and figures than they were twenty years ago. People generally see this as a sign of decay in our educational systems, or something similarly awful.

That certainly explains how Clinton was elected.

OMG INSET BUSH COUNTER HERE.

Anyways, since when did the actualy politics and not the religion and hair-style matter for prez?

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 8/10/07 12:52 PM, Memorize wrote:

At 8/10/07 12:51 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote:

There have been a lot of studies lately that show that Americans are less aware of political issues and figures than they were twenty years ago. People generally see this as a sign of decay in our educational systems, or something similarly awful.

That certainly explains how Clinton was elected.

If it explains how Clinton was elected, then it speaks volumes about how Bush was elected.

[SkunkyFluffy]

At 8/10/07 12:52 PM, Memorize wrote: That certainly explains how Clinton was elected.

Say what you will about the man, he speaks incredibly well. Has a real presence and charisma. Which apparently was enough.

[Memorize]

At 8/10/07 12:56 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

If it explains how Clinton was elected, then it speaks volumes about how Bush was elected.

Here's what you don't understand.

Clinton was elected even though he was a poor choice.

Bush was elected because... well... just look at his competition.

Our of Bush vs. Kerry or Bush vs. Gore, I think we know who the winner is.