"Christians" shown true face

[PsychoDoughboy]

I'm sick of seeign thsi crap on the internet. Someone showed it to me and i was utterly disgusted. Observe how these "christians" review some of the Harry Potter movies. They are children's movies. LEt's see what Jebus has to say. (www.capalert.com)

"The 6th Day, The Blair Witch Project, 8MM, Bless the Child and many other films have presented evil in many forms and flavors. They have been corruptively influential on their own. But until now, to the best I can recall, all films about evil presented evil as ... well, evil. But now comes Harry Potter presenting evil as something to admire and emulate; something to use against evil. Using evil for good? Do you hear what that is saying? As God said in Isa. 5:20, you cannot make something light with darkness and something sweet with bitterness."

What's so evil about the idea of "magic" if it's used, "as god intended" to save humans from slavery, corruption, death, and destruction?

"I have not read any of the "Harry Potter" books. Thus I am not influenced or biased by them. But I can say the movie is just as the books are described by the ones with the open mindedness to see precisely what they are. And what better time to embrace evil in entertainment than now when we have kicked God out of schools, government and many, many homes and what used to be the family. I guess Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is a logical extension of I Dream of Genie, Bewitched and Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, all benevolent on the surface and all since we kicked God out of our schools."

We kicked "God" out of our fuckign schools because he/she/it/crap made other PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE RELIGIONS angry. Just cause they don't believe like you doesn't mean they are fake. And what's evil about a children's fantasy book? that it will prevent them from givign you fuckwads who don't pay taes mroe money?

"Voldemort's attempts to murder the infant Harry left a scar in the shape of a lightning bolt on his forehead (I wonder why it is on his forehead?) [Rev. 13:16] Harry was the only one Voldemort did not kill. Now there's a good topic for our kids to ponder while waiting for sleep to come at night -- kill, kill, kill."

Not really. The "kill kill killing" is done by the EVIl figure, not the good ones, jackfuck.

"By the way, Harry converses with a snake in this movie. Not a cow, not a dog, not a cat, but a snake. And the Alchemist who made the Sorcerer's Stone 665 years old."

OH NOES MAYBE CUASE THE SNAKE IS A SYMBOL OF EVIL and he is directly tied to an evil being by his scar?

LEt's get some reasons why they rated this "R-13"
"Anyone who stood up against him ended up dead." (don't care)
animated chess game with lives at stake, graphic (oh noes, chess.)
willingness to commit suicide to enable victory of friends (Don't many bible peopel do that?)
evil face on the back of a head (OBJECTION YOUR HONOR! Relevance!)
orders to kill a boy (what's the difference between a boy and a man to an evil being?)
attempted murder (ok.)
threat of death for disobedience (nothing new.)
ghost removing his head (who gives a fuck?)
great falls, repeatedly (OH NOES LNOW OUR CHILDRENS GONAN DO IT TOO)
attack by a giant troll (what the fuck?)
More:
Offense to God (SINCE WHEN WERE YOU ASSHOLES THE ESRB OF MOVIES?!)
witchcraft/sorcery to control others, repeatedly
transfiguration
levitation, repeatedly
boy conversing with a snake
goblins, ghosts, repeatedly
witchcraft/sorcery to destroy property
disappearance by witchcraft/sorcery
walking through walls (how is this offensive to jebus may i ask?)
half man, half horse beast
attempted murder with witchcraft/sorcery, repeatedly
offer to resurrect parents by unholy force
"There is no good or evil. There's only power" (Voldemort) (EVIL GUY HELLO?)
talking witches hat
evil passing through boy's body, causing unconsciousness
witchcraft/sorcery to change flag colors
unholy possession

Ok, that wraps it up. What do you guys think of these peopel who think they are the vocie of god and everyoen should beware of all these horrible offenses to him? I think they all deserve a nice, good, Bit-bybit debate where they can't use fictional stories fro mthe bible to back themselves up. Who wins then, jackasses?

[Commander-K25]

At 6/28/03 02:25 AM, PsychoDoughboy wrote: ....

Here's an idea: calm-yo-asz down.

[PsychoDoughboy]

At 6/28/03 02:37 AM, Commander-K25 wrote: Here's an idea: calm-yo-asz down.

Generally i expected a bit more mature response from late-night politic forums, but i guess not. i will NOT calm down, because these people believe they are right, everyone else is wrong, and dont relaize religion was created FOR HUMANS BY HUMANS. JEBUS DONT WRITE DOWN ANY OF YOUR SCRIPTURE.

[Commander-K25]

At 6/28/03 02:40 AM, PsychoDoughboy wrote: Generally i expected a bit more mature response from late-night politic forums, but i guess not. i will NOT calm down, because these people believe they are right, everyone else is wrong, and dont relaize religion was created FOR HUMANS BY HUMANS. JEBUS DONT WRITE DOWN ANY OF YOUR SCRIPTURE.

Another "I hate religion" "religious people are stupid, ignorant sheep" rant.

Yawn.

We've had a lot of those lately and frankly you could copy paste someone else's, stick it in here and nobody would be able to tell the difference.

[PsychoDoughboy]

At 6/28/03 02:42 AM, Commander-K25 wrote: Yawn.

We've had a lot of those lately and frankly you could copy paste someone else's, stick it in here and nobody would be able to tell the difference.

Incorrect. I have solid evidence, proof of incorrectness of morality, etc. most people jsutuse emotion. i have a SOLID EXAMPLE OF WHY I HATE PEOPLE LIEK THIS. Please do your best to deterr me.

[Slizor]

Ignore Commander, he's just a rightist gun nut (I mean, the name "Commander" what are you, in an army or something?) :P

I thought this was the best

"I have not read any of the "Harry Potter" books. Thus I am not influenced or biased by them.

It's very strange logic. It should say "Thus I can have no view of them" but it doesn't. Stupid person.

"Voldemort's attempts to murder the infant Harry left a scar in the shape of a lightning bolt on his forehead (I wonder why it is on his forehead?) [Rev. 13:16] Harry was the only one Voldemort did not kill. Now there's a good topic for our kids to ponder while waiting for sleep to come at night -- kill, kill, kill."

I haven't really read the bible, but are there no bits where god kills people?

"By the way, Harry converses with a snake in this movie.

If the person had bothered to read the books they would have found out that he can talk to snakes because of his link with Voldemort.

[stafffighter]

The church wouldn't have a problem with harry potter if they figured out they could use the books to pay off molested children.

[Jimsween]

Religious nuts are stupid, wow big suprise. I once saw a muslim site saying girls should not be able to see any man besides thier husband ever and that the clitoris is the spawn of all evil. You, however, should have shown some common curtesy and not pointed this out to us because it only ruins the rest of our day with thoughts of how stupid these people are.

On a side note, I'm confused why Catholics and Baptists hate eachother so much. I would think they would find a common link through guilt, sort of a, "If it feels good you shouldnt be doing it." Although I can understand why you wouldnt want them to get into the same room together, a bunch of people not drinking or having sex, that would just be too hot to handle.

[PsychoDoughboy]

At 6/28/03 08:26 AM, Jimsween wrote: You, however, should have shown some common curtesy and not pointed this out to us because it only ruins the rest of our day with thoughts of how stupid these people are.

Please explain yourself on that medium. How was i "ruining" anyone's day? I think for several people they got a good laugh. And as for commander, he's what's known as a form "troll". Someone who goes around and tries to ruin every thread by making some opposite opinion about it.

[aviewaskewed]

At 6/28/03 01:52 PM, PsychoDoughboy wrote:

Please explain yourself on that medium. How was i "ruining" anyone's day? I think for several people they got a good laugh. And as for commander, he's what's known as a form "troll". Someone who goes around and tries to ruin every thread by making some opposite opinion about it.

I agree about religious nuts...I don't like it...and you usually do see it out of Christians the worse...I mean, I'm cool with having a belief and all, if it enhances YOUR life, fine, more power to you...but stop running around acting like it gives you a moral superiority and everyone else on earth needs to convert to you're ideology, that's just ridicoulous.

[MadMax501]

There are a lot of (especially) christian orginizations that do crap like that. Actually, when I was a little kid, the same kind of people got Magic banned from my school, saying it was devilish. It's stupid, so the best thing you can do is ignore it.

[Alejandro1]

At 6/28/03 08:17 AM, stafffighter wrote: The church wouldn't have a problem with harry potter if they figured out they could use the books to pay off molested children.

Oh, tell me about it. Kinda reminds me of the reason why I said the church secretly supported the war in Iraq; now no one or their mother remembers the child rapings.

As for those Harry Potter books, I've read them, but I see why that site calls them the devil.

[dudeitsallama]

I find it really amusing how these hardcore psycho Christians conveniently forget about the content of the Bible. Isn't about 50% of it graphic violence. Egyptians throwing babies into the Nile, people getting thrown to the lions, and a disturbing depiction of a guy being nailed to a cross with a crown of thorns on his head.

They keep saying that magic and snakes are evil but there's plenty of both in the Bible. Moses has his staff turn into a snake. Are we to understand that God gave Moses an evil staff? Besides, even if something is evil, that doesn't mean that it's a sin to see it in a movie.

What about bad word? I know it's a sin to use God's name in vain but where does it say "Thou shalt not say 'fuck'?"

Finally, the drinking...Why do so many hardcore Christians have a problem with alcohol in general. Everyone drank in the Bible. Isn't wine supposed to be the blood of Christ?

On a side note, I think Harry Potter is the worst character ever. Don't get me wrong I really like the movies. I just think they'd be a whole lot better if Harry were dead and Ron and Hermione were the stars. I'd like to see Harry Potter and the Guillotine. The movie begins with Harry getting his head cut off. Then some evil guy shows up and everyone forgets all about Harry. That would be great.

[mikehrt]

I love it how people who aren't christians love to talk about how christians believe.

1. All groups have stupid people in them. This post is just like me saying that all doctors are fucktards because they don't realize that the fax machine they bought can't send a long distance fax if they dont have long distance on their phone line. Just because I get 3 or 4 of these calls a week doesn't mean that all Doctors are that stupid.

2. Catholics and Baptists don't get along because they disagree on almost every point within Christianity. Plus most Baptists try to hold the current Catholic regime responsible for past sins. Such as the Inquisition, the Crusades, and making up stuff as they go along. Guilt is not a required component of christianity. It is a tool used by many people in power (not just churches) to control the weak minded.

3. Violence is violence. There is a legitimate argument that all the spell casting in the movie boils down to violence to get your way. If it was a group of kids shooting AK-47s at eachother in a military school and then going out and using their AK-47s in the street, then I would definately say that is an inappropriate idea to put in a childrens movie. Of course the retard you are quoting is smart enough to explain the reasoning behind teaching magic to kids is wrong.

4. You said it yourself. Dude is linked to the evil snake through a symbol on his forehead. That is kind of satanic to me. And I'm one of those people that defends D&D.

5. I love it when people say Christian fanatics are the worst. When was the list time you saw a Christian strap bombs to himself and walk into a crowded room to blow everyone in it up? BTW, most Muslims are not extremist's just like most Christians aren't. But I'd definately say that the Muslim extremists are worse than the Christian extremists every day of the week.

6. Wine only represents Jesus blood during the Lord's Supper. Not all the time. And while most people in the bible did drink, there is a lot of talk about the evils of getting drunk. Too much of anything is a bad thing.

7. Yes, 50% of the Bible is graphic violence, adultery, drunkeness, whoremongering, witch craft, and idol worship. But it's also not claiming to be a childrens book.

8. The kill, kill, killing may have been done by the bad guy, but it's still not kids movie/book material.

9. "I have solid evidence, proof of incorrectness of morality, etc." Definate proof huh? Let's see it?

Wow, 9 points. I must be really opinionated.

[dudeitsallama]

At 6/28/03 05:12 PM, mikehrt wrote: 8. The kill, kill, killing may have been done by the bad guy, but it's still not kids movie/book material.

"Now I lay me down to sleep.
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
If I should DIE before I wake.
I pray the Lord my soul will take."

So kids shouldn't be exposed to death in movies or books, but it's ok for them to be reminded every night that they might never wake up?

I don't have anything against praying, I'm just looking for consistency.

[mikehrt]

At 6/28/03 05:32 PM, dudeitsallama wrote:

At 6/28/03 05:12 PM, mikehrt wrote: 8. The kill, kill, killing may have been done by the bad guy, but it's still not kids movie/book material.

So kids shouldn't be exposed to death in movies or books, but it's ok for them to be reminded every night that they might never wake up?

I don't have anything against praying, I'm just looking for consistency.

I think that is a stupid prayer. I don't plan on teaching it to my kid. It used to scare the shit out of me when I was little.

[House-Of-Leaves]

Commander, you said it perfectly for me.

I'm sorry, but these religion-hate topics bore me now. They used to get me all riled up. But now...it's just really ironic.

People can post and rant and rave and carry on about how they hate religion. But yet...when people try to defend their faith, it's called preaching. It's a double standard and one I won't play into anymore.

I'll say this, and hope that it sinks in this time.

HATE THE PEOPLE. Not the religion. Christianity as a faith isn't bad at all. It's the doctrines and rules written by MAN that's fucked it up. So you can continue to hate Christ. Or me, for being Christian. But being that closed minded is just sad.

It's called 'perogative'. People have them. I think, maybe...tomorrow, I'll start a "anyone who likes the color red is A STUPID SHEEP!" thread. See how that goes.

Well when you have websites like godhatesf*gs.com propaganding blind hatred towards homosexuality, something that they have no knowledge of besides what is written in their book, you sometimes have to wonder what's up with them. They're the only religion with practitioners that have openly expressed homophobia and used the Bible to justify their hatred. You don't have allahhatesf*gs.com or buddhahatesfags.com, now do you?

[Nylo]

At 6/28/03 07:43 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: I'm sorry, but these religion-hate topics bore me now. They used to get me all riled up. But now...it's just really ironic.
HATE THE PEOPLE. Not the religion. Christianity as a faith isn't bad at all. It's the doctrines and rules written by MAN that's fucked it up. So you can continue to hate Christ. Or me, for being Christian. But being that closed minded is just sad.

Very well said, Leaves. Honlestly, couldn't you title this post a little better? I mean come on, if a city has a high crime rate that consists of African-Americans, I'm not going to post "Black people show their true faces!!!". Come on, all Christians supports this? I beg to differ. This action is pathetic. I don't give a damn what they say the Bible says in reference to these Harry Potter movies; it's bullshit. So these guys are idiots, attack them all you want, but to take into account this handful of radical Bible-mutilators as a symbol of all Christianity is a horrifically ignorant and stereotypical remark. Don't sink to the level of these people who call themselves Christians.

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 6/28/03 08:25 PM, darkmage8 wrote: So these guys are idiots, attack them all you want, but to take into account this handful of radical Bible-mutilators as a symbol of all Christianity is a horrifically ignorant and stereotypical remark. Don't sink to the level of these people who call themselves Christians.

This is exactly the gist of what people need to understand, and let sink in.

The people who raise hell and make noise about stuff like this...they aren't the ones you should look at for an example of the Christian faith. I won't shove my faith in anyone's face, but my word. I'm a Christian woman.

I loved the Harry Potter books.

I HATE godhatesf*gs.com. In fact, I'm a bi-sexual woman myself.

I'm pro-choice, for the sake of preserving our freedoms.

I don't go to church.

I believe that the Bible is a great book, but one that was written and translated by fallible human beings. Therefore, not all of it can be correct.

I believe that there is NOTHING you can do to deserve the gift Christ gives, and there is NOTHING you can do to have it taken away. I, unlike some, believe in the motto: "Once saved, always saved."

Now, are you going to hate me because I happen to believe that my God and Saviour is Jesus Christ? I mean, it's not hurting anyone. I'm not hurting anyone by praying. Or holding that belief. Or having my opinion. I don't call non-believers names, or damn them. It's not my place to judge anyone.

So...if the only criteria for hating these people is their Christianity...that's pretty silly, to be honest. What you dislike isn't their faith. It's how they, as individuals, use it.

I mean, for crying out loud. The KKK is supposed to be a "God-fearing" group. Do you think, because I believe in Christ, that I'm racially predjudiced, too?

So, in short. Thank you, darkmage. You said it very well. Don't let these handfull of people improperly represent an entire faith.

[Sophia-7]

I'm down with Harry Potter books and movies.There are always going to be fundementalists everywhere talking down everything...

I am a Jew but my religion say's i can divorce my husband if he doesn't satisfy me, if i am wise, i can learn about the realm of magic (but know to practice it can be dangerous) and i am obliged to get intoxicated during certain festivals...

I don't think religion is at all boring. most of the prophets were on hallucinogens, there are references to this in some texts...

Why people complain is because they are scared, they think they are trying to help others via prohabition, it isn't like they are evil, just scared...

I feel sorry for them that they are too scared to have an open mind, but i am not going to hate on them for that, i mean who cares ?

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 6/28/03 08:57 PM, Sophia_7 wrote: good stuff. :)

I wanted to say I appreciated what you wrote.

Also that you have a lovely saying in your signature. Thank you. :)

[FreidanX]

At 6/28/03 05:12 PM, mikehrt wrote: 5. I love it when people say Christian fanatics are the worst. When was the list time you saw a Christian strap bombs to himself and walk into a crowded room to blow everyone in it up?

Umm.... what about those "Christian" extremists who strap themselves with dynamite and walk into abortion clinics? (Just to cite one example)
Did you factor that in before forming that statement?

BTW, most Muslims are not extremist's just like most Christians aren't. But I'd definately say that the Muslim extremists are worse than the Christian extremists every day of the week.

Just becuase mainstream media reporting of Muslim extremist acts all but outnumber those commited by other types of "extremists" doesn't mean that they are the #1 perpitrators.

7. Yes, 50% of the Bible is graphic violence, adultery, drunkeness, whoremongering, witch craft, and idol worship. But it's also not claiming to be a childrens book.

Yet, I don't think one would hesitate to recommend that book to a child...

[FreidanX]

At 6/28/03 10:06 PM, FreidanX wrote: Just becuase mainstream media reporting of Muslim extremist acts all but outnumber those commited by other types of "extremists" doesn't mean that they are the #1 perpitrators*.

* perpetrators. (I'm anal-retentive, so sue me.)

[Jimsween]

At 6/28/03 01:52 PM, PsychoDoughboy wrote:

At 6/28/03 08:26 AM, Jimsween wrote: You, however, should have shown some common curtesy and not pointed this out to us because it only ruins the rest of our day with thoughts of how stupid these people are.

Please explain yourself on that medium. How was i "ruining" anyone's day? I think for several people they got a good laugh. And as for commander, he's what's known as a form "troll". Someone who goes around and tries to ruin every thread by making some opposite opinion about it.

Heh, I think you just described the dag. What I meant by it is that there is so much or this crap that pointing it out just because it is on the internet is a waste of time and just gets everyone in a bad mood because theya re angry at them.

[Commander-K25]

At 6/28/03 08:05 AM, Slizor wrote: Ignore Commander, he's just a rightist gun nut

You know, you used to make fairly good arguments. Now you just lie and flame like the rest. Pathetic.

[Ninja-Scientist]

Listen. I know this may recieve a lot of controversy. But I don't believe in organized religion at all.

Organized religion is what screwed up the Bible, caused people to kill one another in "the name of God," burn witches, hate gays, be prejudice against women, etc, etc, etc.

It should be common knowledge today that the Bible HAS in fact been altered many times throughout history as it fell into the hands of different orginized churches. In fact, no one can deny that it did, otherwise we wouldn't have different versions of the Bible today. These churches altered the name of God in the name of "doing God's bidding."

For example, there are parts in the Bible that say it's OK to sell your daughter into slavery "as long as it's for a heafty profit." Now, who here thinks that God really believes this, especially considering that one of the commandments is against greed? @_o' Who here truly thinks that God really cares about gays so much? Especially considering that some of "holiest" people in the Bible had sex with their kids, kicked the crap out of an angel (and was then rewarded @_o'), etc, etc, etc. What about the part in the Bible that said that the reason Eve took the apple was because "Satan knew that women were more succeptable to evil." Or the story of the pillar of salt in which the only reason his wife turned back to look at the city was because "as a women, she was weak to temptation."

In fact, what I don't get is that JESUS HIMSELF WAS AGAINST ORGANIZED RELIGION! Throughout the Bible, he was constantly arguing with the leaders of the churches and the so called "religious" people, because they were corrupting his Father's name.

And yet, the churches continue to pass off their word's as God's. For example, I'm sure that any of you who go into a church today will see a cross or a statue of Jesus or Saints which people pray to. But did it cross anyone's mind that this is what God is against? It's in the 10 commandments. God said he didn't want us to pray to "graven images." But, what does graven images reallly mean? Graven simply means "anything man-made." But the church suddenly changed that to "anything man-made.....that's not christian." NO! God didn't want us praying to statues of so called Jesus, or crosses, and especially not saints (who are dubbed religious not by the hand of God, but by the hand of people).

Because, while we're praying to statues, we're not really praying to the Lord, we're praying to OUR VERSION OF THE LORD. For example, what the heck is with the cross? If Jesus was hanged, would we pray to nooses? Would little nooses repel evil? Why is Jesus white when everyone in bethleham was darker skinned at that time (not exactly black, but like middle-eastern). Then some pray to Mary, but why? She just had Jesus, she wasn't a religious figure at all. Don't you think it's sort of blasphemy to pray to her at all? Especially when it becomes just as much as we pray to our actual savior?

Now, I believe in God and Jesus. But I don't listen to anything that comes out of the mouths of men pretending to be translating the words of God.

Otherwise, we get more "Salem fears," like this Harry Potter thing. lol.

Thanks for hearing me out, everyone.

[Kenney333]

ya, christians like that shouldnt be allowed to have opinions, infact we should put them in cages, and forced our opinions on them.

oh wait

were not living un fucking nazi germany here, people are aloud to have their own opinions and theyre certainly allowed to put them on the internet, so they think harry potter is using evil witchcraft, thats ok, thats their opinion, theyre aloud to have it, you dont like it, dont read it.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 6/28/03 05:12 PM, mikehrt wrote: BTW, most Muslims are not extremist's just like most Christians aren't. But I'd definately say that the Muslim extremists are worse than the Christian extremists every day of the week.

.......What about the Holocaust? That started in the name of "Christianity." And what about all the other wars started in the "the name of God." What about the Salem witch trials, etc, etc, etc.

[Ninja-Scientist]

At 6/29/03 03:44 PM, Kenney333 wrote:
were not living un fucking nazi germany here, people are aloud to have their own opinions and theyre certainly allowed to put them on the internet, so they think harry potter is using evil witchcraft, thats ok, thats their opinion, theyre aloud to have it, you dont like it, dont read it.

Firstly, if we were in nazi germany, then those christians would be reigning. lol. Secondly, I don't think he was angry that they dared to voice their opinions on Harry Potter. I think he's just annoyed at the opinions themselves, which he's allowed to be. If we weren't allowed to disagree, then debates couldn't exist. He attacked the reasoning behind their beliefs, not whether or not they should be aloud to talk about what they believe in.