Gun Control

[Mowkloo]

A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?
Guns only for military and government personnel?
Guns for personal protection in the home?
Guns for any adult to carry at any time?

I want to know your thoughts.

[Ahimsa138]

At 6/16/01 03:24 AM, Mowkloo wrote: A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?
Guns only for military and government personnel?
Guns for personal protection in the home?
Guns for any adult to carry at any time?

I want to know your thoughts.

Personally I wish the world could take a few giant steps backwards. I say we get rid of everything from the gun up. From bullets to bombs to deadly chemicals, it's just too easy to kill each other and the environment which we depend on for life. We've fucked up the world and can't fix it.

[WanDabada]

Im all for scientific research, apart from where modern weaponry is involved. Now, any little shit can easily kill 100 people with an automatic weapon, and no one should have that power. At least with traditional weaponry (swords etc), you had to be skilled to use it effectively, and the person being attacked had some chance at self-defence. The fact that any retard can just point, pull a trigger and kill, is frankly terrifying. In my opinion, gun control should not exist, because guns should not exist. And as for weapons of mass destruction, well they can fuck right off. If humans really are driven by a need for violence and conflict, then they can settle disputes the old fashioned way, up close and personal, not from a distance like a bunch of scared little old women. Damn I hate modern warfare!!!

[HornedReaper]

At 6/16/01 03:24 AM, Mowkloo wrote: A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?
Guns only for military and government personnel?
Guns for personal protection in the home?
Guns for any adult to carry at any time?

I want to know your thoughts.

I believe that guns should be for personal protection and military/governmental purposes. Then again, people themselves decide how to use the weapons.

[shorbe]

momar: You couldn't do that. War industries and technologies have had many spinoffs into civilian life that we take for granted in this day and age. Indeed, a lot of technological and scientific advancement is spurred on by the military first.

Wan: You forget even with swords and other non-firearms, technology (in the form of metallurgy and swordmaking) was a very important aspect. A very small percentage of any pre-gunpowder society had access to such weapons, both because of the cost, and (royal) edicts that only allowed such access to certain people. Furthermore, coming up against someone who was not only well-equipped, but well trained was no safer than coming up against someone with a gun.

Indeed, one could perhaps say (at least for a time) that guns were something of a great leveller in many societies, for precisely the reasons you state they are bad. Any peasant could effectively pick up a firearm, without training, and use it against a far more heavily armoured and trained knight or samurai.

So that's all that.

I think particularly in a country such as the US, that has such draconian and invasive laws regarding civil liberties and the ability for the government to spy on its populace, guns are necessary to keep the government in check. If everyone has equal access to weaponry, then one segment of society is less likely to use such weaponry over another.

shorbe

[TheGiantPeach]

At 6/16/01 03:24 AM, Mowkloo wrote: A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?
Guns only for military and government personnel?
Guns for personal protection in the home?
Guns for any adult to carry at any time?

I want to know your thoughts.

I think it was chris rock who said that instead of getting rid of guns, we should make one bullet cost ten thousand dollars and that would get rid of a lot of the killings. I think that would be funny.

[Anarchon]

At 6/16/01 03:24 AM, Mowkloo wrote: A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?
Guns only for military and government personnel?
Guns for personal protection in the home?
Guns for any adult to carry at any time?

I want to know your thoughts.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 6/16/01 03:24 AM, Mowkloo wrote: A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?

Never happen, we always need a military

Guns only for military and government personnel?

That would make the most sense, maybe even the police could have guns.

Guns for personal protection in the home?

Only if the gun is registered completely and kept away from children.

Guns for any adult to carry at any time?

I don't agree with that at all... too many risks...

I want to know your thoughts.

You just found out... :-)!

[Slizor]

A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?

Never happen, we always need a military

We wouldn't need a military if no-one else had one!

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 6/21/01 11:50 AM, Slizor wrote:

A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?

Never happen, we always need a military

We wouldn't need a military if no-one else had one!

True... but there will always be someone who wants to abuse the power they have been granted...

If you don't believe me, look at the oil prices in America...

[IamJacksalias]

I am very upset at this little communistic/naziesque discussion. Gun rights are outlined in the constitution. You can't start changing the constitution, soon you will have no rights. I wish I could say that you are the only crazy people I have to deal with, however the majority of the political system seems to share your views. We don't need to follow the constitution, we'll change it to make it say what we want, like in that Church/State abomination. You take guns away from people, why not free speech or freedom of the press? It states in the constitution that gun right shall not be infringed. You start infringing those rights who knows what else will be next. They took away guns in England and Australia look at how fast all the crime went up. Guns are not the problem. Also if you make a law regarding guns, ammo, or anything like that only the law abiding citizens shall follow it, not the crooks. So what have you accomplished? Disarming the people who should have gun while criminals run the streets and citizens can't protect themselves.
A couple of thing before I go. Bizwatch try getting political advice from somewhere other than a comedian. Members of the NRA, voice you opinion. I leave you with this quote.
"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" - Adolf Hitler

[pyroarchy]

"At 7/1/01 11:39 AM, IamJacksalias wrote:

I am very upset at this little communistic/naziesque discussion. Gun rights are outlined in the constitution. You can't start changing the constitution, soon you will have no rights. :"

Yeah we are losing rights every week about, first drug rights, then booze, then porn, I mean all that made this country the shiznittle, after we lose more it will just plain suck here, check this out, if your are walking around or loitering and have less than $30.00 dollars on you, then you can get aressted for "vagrancey" (I probaly spelled it wrong), and you can goto jail for that. So it would'nt suprise me if we did change the constitution or even throw it away
(its written on hemp). I kinda wanna see this country crash on its knees and die slowly for what its done to its self.

[Low-Budget-Superhero]

At 7/1/01 11:39 AM, IamJacksalias wrote: Gun rights are outlined in the constitution.

But only for a well-regulated millitia. But the way, about the quote: (see IamJacksalias's message that I'm responding to) Hitler was also a strick vegetarian, does that mean all vegetarians are neo-nazis?

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 7/6/01 06:44 PM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 7/1/01 11:39 AM, IamJacksalias wrote: Gun rights are outlined in the constitution.

But only for a well-regulated millitia. But the way, about the quote

This is taken from http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billrights.html
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

They are saying BECAUSE we need a militia, Americans have the RIGHT to bear arms, and that cannot be infringed upon. It does not as, as long as a militia is nessicary. Thats just the reason they gave. So even if they said " Becuase we need to protect General washington, we can arm ourselves. " Well General washington is dead, but still we were given the right. So in effect even if the Reason why we were given the right is obsolete, We were STILL given the right, and it says it "Shall not be infringed.". And being that the amendments are permant and cannot be changed in a way that cuts our rights, We are stuck with that right. If you Agree with it or not. I don't, but I didn't write the consitition.

anarchy penguin

[ERies7]

At 7/6/01 07:02 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote:

At 7/6/01 06:44 PM, GameboyCC wrote:

At 7/1/01 11:39 AM, IamJacksalias wrote: Gun rights are outlined in the constitution.

But only for a well-regulated millitia. But the way, about the quote

This is taken from http://www.nara.gov/exhall/charters/billrights/billrights.html
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

They are saying BECAUSE we need a militia, Americans have the RIGHT to bear arms, and that cannot be infringed upon. It does not as, as long as a militia is nessicary. Thats just the reason they gave. So even if they said " Becuase we need to protect General washington, we can arm ourselves. " Well General washington is dead, but still we were given the right. So in effect even if the Reason why we were given the right is obsolete, We were STILL given the right, and it says it "Shall not be infringed.". And being that the amendments are permant and cannot be changed in a way that cuts our rights, We are stuck with that right. If you Agree with it or not. I don't, but I didn't write the consitition.

anarchy penguin

Yep!