Natural Born Citizen?

[StCyril]

I wasn't sure where to ask this, so i thought this would be the best place.

The following is a hypothetical question:

A couple is vacationing in, lets say England. The woman is pregnant and is enjoying a trans-atlantic cruise with a few days stop in England. She is enjoying the sites, when suddenly her water bursts. She is rushed to the hospital and gives birth... where is the baby a citizen? England or America? Both the parents are natural born US citizens, and live in the US as they always. Would thier child be able to run for president?

[LightandDark]

uhhhhh(head asplode)

i guess US?

[fli]

To be president, you have to be born in the United States.
So even if you had parents who were from the US, but some how you were conceived outside of US bounderies...

You'll be a US citizen. But you wouldn't be able to run for presidency...

[ShadowHunterAlpha]

Actually, it depends. If the baby was born at the hospital of an American-owned installation (I.e. a military base), then he or she is an American citizen and can run for Presidency because he or she was born in America or on an American-controlled territory. It is still debated whether or not this right is extended to those born outside of the United States and its territories, though, since several politicians born under these circumstances have campaigned (such as George Romney, born to vacationing U.S. citizens in Mexico). Of course, he or she will still be required to have been on the American mainland, in Hawaii, or in Alaska (any of the 50 states) for the compulsory 14 consecutive years, and must be 35 years old to campaign.

[Drakim]

At 8/6/07 02:00 AM, fli wrote: To be president, you have to be born in the United States.
So even if you had parents who were from the US, but some how you were conceived outside of US bounderies...

You'll be a US citizen. But you wouldn't be able to run for presidency...

Genius.

Sorry kid, you aren't fit for being president for the US. You happened to be born out of country, even if you was promptly taken back to the states and have never left since then. You see, in the face of issues like where you happened to leave your mothers womb, smarts, competence and experience isn't so important when you run for Presidency.

[LightandDark]

At 8/6/07 03:17 AM, Drakim wrote: You see, in the face of issues like where you happened to leave your mothers womb, smarts, competence and experience isn't so important when you run for Presidency.

:D and you think they would include that, but they let anybody run, now look what americans got!

[Engelsman]

What if you were born in international waters between the US and UK? Would you be Atlantian?

[K-RadPie]

And what if someone was born by non-American parents in a non-American country, but in an embassy or military base? As for the first question, why the hell would somebody 9 months pregnant want to fly to a foreign country?

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

At 8/6/07 09:57 AM, Engelsman wrote: What if you were born in international waters between the US and UK? Would you be Atlantian?

You'd become Aquaman :P

[Proteas]

At 8/6/07 01:30 AM, StCyril wrote: ... where is the baby a citizen? England or America? Both the parents are natural born US citizens, and live in the US as they always. Would thier child be able to run for president?

Well he definitly wouldn't be English, that's for sure. England struck down their laws similar to our 14th amendment several years ago in an effort to curb illegal immigration, so he wouldn't have any claims as a citizun under English law.

I'm pretty sure that there's a provision in the passport laws for stuff like this....

[IllustriousPotentate]

Title 8, Section 1401 of the United States code defines a natural born citizen thusly:

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

The only way a child of two U.S. citizens would not be a natural born citizen is if the two having the child were both born to U.S. citizen parents outside the U.S., and lived their whole life outside the U.S., which would be highly unusual.

[JoS]

When I was studying the Canada-US border for a paper I found out that actually many Americans would live in this one Canadian border town (more of a vacation property), and would literally run across the border to give birth to their children so they could run for president. It was rumoured however that Chester Arthur was actually born in Canada, although no one ever proved it one way or the other.

Linky

To my knowledge an American has never been Prime Minister of Canada though.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 8/6/07 01:23 PM, JoS wrote: To my knowledge an American has never been Prime Minister of Canada though.

Why would they want to? ;)

[JoS]

At 8/6/07 01:50 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 8/6/07 01:23 PM, JoS wrote: To my knowledge an American has never been Prime Minister of Canada though.

Why would they want to? ;)

Free health care?

[damionford]

The baby is a us citizen but not able to run for president

[damionford]

At 8/6/07 09:57 AM, Engelsman wrote: What if you were born in international waters between the US and UK? Would you be Atlantian?

No U.S. citizen genius

[UWDarDar17]

At 8/6/07 03:16 PM, damionford wrote:

At 8/6/07 09:57 AM, Engelsman wrote: What if you were born in international waters between the US and UK? Would you be Atlantian?

No U.S. citizen genius

Actually in international waters...I think it depends on where the ship makes port. If it's an American ship, it's technically under American law, and thus anyone born on there is born in the US?

[Der-Lowe]

At 8/6/07 02:00 AM, fli wrote: You'll be a US citizen. But you wouldn't be able to run for presidency...

Eh, I think you'd have the right to choose between American or English citizenship.
And yes, if you were American you wouldn't e able to run for president, the Argentinian constitution is the same in that (and many) aspects to the American one

[Engelsman]

At 8/6/07 03:30 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote:

Actually in international waters...I think it depends on where the ship makes port. If it's an American ship, it's technically under American law, and thus anyone born on there is born in the US?

Ah, ok thanks.

At 8/6/07 03:16 PM, damionford wrote:

No U.S. citizen genius

You're an idiot.

[tony4moroney]

At 8/6/07 01:30 AM, StCyril wrote: meow

even if the kid was born in england because his parents are both united states citizens their child is naturally a united states citizen anyway. (im pretty sure)

[JoS]

At 8/6/07 03:30 PM, UWDarDar17 wrote:

At 8/6/07 03:16 PM, damionford wrote:

At 8/6/07 09:57 AM, Engelsman wrote: What if you were born in international waters between the US and UK? Would you be Atlantian?

No U.S. citizen genius

Actually in international waters...I think it depends on where the ship makes port. If it's an American ship, it's technically under American law, and thus anyone born on there is born in the US?

What if you are on a home made raft in the middle of the ocean, not a ship, just a couple of floating pieces of wood?

[Engelsman]

At 8/6/07 07:37 PM, JoS wrote: What if you are on a home made raft in the middle of the ocean, not a ship, just a couple of floating pieces of wood?

I think he means where the ship's registered.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 8/6/07 07:37 PM, JoS wrote: What if you are on a home made raft in the middle of the ocean, not a ship, just a couple of floating pieces of wood?

You'd still be a citizen.

If two U.S. citizens, one or both of which have lived in the United States at some point in their lives, have a baby, regardless of where they have the baby, it is a U.S. citizen.

If they have the baby in Burkina Faso? U.S. Citizen.
If they have the baby in orbit? U.S. Citizen.
If they have the baby in The Phantom Zone? U.S. Citizen.

[JoS]

At 8/6/07 08:27 PM, Engelsman wrote:

At 8/6/07 07:37 PM, JoS wrote: What if you are on a home made raft in the middle of the ocean, not a ship, just a couple of floating pieces of wood?

I think he means where the ship's registered.

Would a homemeade raft be registered?

[Engelsman]

At 8/6/07 08:28 PM, JoS wrote:

At 8/6/07 08:27 PM, Engelsman wrote:

At 8/6/07 07:37 PM, JoS wrote: What if you are on a home made raft in the middle of the ocean, not a ship, just a couple of floating pieces of wood?

I think he means where the ship's registered.

Would a homemeade raft be registered?

Depends if it's going into or out of Mexico.

[idiot-buster]

i think so