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hey I was wondering what every one thought and didnt want to make a new thread so I going to post here hope you like it not colored yet It sez HLQ I just pic a few letters but they came out pretty well but what do you think.

At 10/3/07 05:54 AM, WR0NG wrote: javascript:MakeSmileySelection(14);
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I've just started.. Still trying to find a style. You got talent man, I'm impressed. I'm gonna go practice..

well for just starting you are better than i was. id say utilize the space more dont just stretch the letters. try adding more negative space to make them more defined unless you are aiming for bubble letters.

Don't tag a bunch of public venues, man.

Notice, here, I'm making a distinction between tagging & graffiti. I like your paint pen and paper stuff, but seriously.

Unless it's really ace, why fuck up our buses and subways with a bunch of half-assed scribbling?

At 10/4/07 02:43 AM, Bolo wrote: Don't tag a bunch of public venues, man.

Notice, here, I'm making a distinction between tagging & graffiti. I like your paint pen and paper stuff, but seriously.

Unless it's really ace, why fuck up our buses and subways with a bunch of half-assed scribbling?

Sorry, perhaps I should clarify this. I didn't mean to be hating on the graffiti style, which I like.

It's just that I think you should channel the work you've done with paint pen more into the stuff you've done on the streets. Like, practice at home with the spray paint can before you go out.

What I see in the street stuff that you've done is tagging, which I don't like. I can, however, appreciate a well-done bit of graffiti lettering, which I think you have shown enough of an aptitude at on paper.

At 10/4/07 02:50 AM, Bolo wrote:
Sorry, perhaps I should clarify this. I didn't mean to be hating on the graffiti style, which I like.

It's just that I think you should channel the work you've done with paint pen more into the stuff you've done on the streets. Like, practice at home with the spray paint can before you go out.

What I see in the street stuff that you've done is tagging, which I don't like. I can, however, appreciate a well-done bit of graffiti lettering, which I think you have shown enough of an aptitude at on paper.

the thing about it tho is that it is incredibly hard to go from paper to wall. i dont think you really understand what is involved in creating a piece. tags and throw ups are the level that im at in paint and thats what i can manage. maybe in a month or two ill have gathered myself some resources enough to do a piece. just so you know ive never pieced in paint on a wall so i probly wont be starting with anything ive drawn on here. the purpose of tags and throwies from an artists perspective is to develop can control and other techniques such as fading and scaling. you need to crawl before you can walk you feel me?

Notice, here, I'm making a distinction between tagging & graffiti. I like your paint pen and paper stuff, but seriously.

Unless it's really ace, why fuck up our buses and subways with a bunch of half-assed scribbling?

What I see in the street stuff that you've done is tagging, which I don't like. I can, however, appreciate a well-done bit of graffiti lettering, which I think you have shown enough of an aptitude at on paper.

tagging includes well done graffiti lettering and its a way of getting urself known because you cant always just do pieces and throwes and being known is a critical part and one of the most satisfying. basicaly youd have to write to undestand it. i think i can say that writers dont give a shit what other people think about tags but they do care what other writers think.

Now, I'm not claiming to know what you do off the streets, but I recommend you get some either large cardboard of some big strips of paper. I'm sur practicing on something like that would hlp with your can skills. Also, the best alternative to street tagging would be you using a wall of your own (or somewhere where you know no one goes, under a bridge?) to practice on. You know, something you could roll some white paint over and try again another day. Just trying to help bro.

At 10/4/07 08:40 PM, ExtraTim wrote: Now, I'm not claiming to know what you do off the streets, but I recommend you get some either large cardboard of some big strips of paper. I'm sur practicing on something like that would hlp with your can skills. Also, the best alternative to street tagging would be you using a wall of your own (or somewhere where you know no one goes, under a bridge?) to practice on. You know, something you could roll some white paint over and try again another day. Just trying to help bro.

well i practice lettering on paper and trust me im really not that bad at the real thing you should see some of the stuff there is in my city its sad. besides, anywhere i tag it will be seen there arent really places that people wont see in a city like SF.

i think that a lot of people dont understand the point of a tag like gaine1 stated above the point of a tag is to get up and sure its nice if its executed well but nobody really cares that much. its not like you start with tags then move on forever to big pieces you will always tag a little bit. sure id love to do a ton of piecing but i cant because i dont have enough paint so for now its just getting up which includes tagging and outlines/fills. and besides, i already practice in the streets, because theres no better place, and even tho it might be a little sloppy, its still my name and thats what other writers respect.

I'm not saying tagging isn't cool or even fun, just that it is only tagging. There are many aspects of graffiti and I think showing that you CAN do all of them well is a sign of a really good artist. I understand that it takes time to get good. Practice up and keep doing what you're doing. It already looks like people do/will know your name out there, and for good reason.

Your shit is dope. Period. I'm not gonna argue about stupid stuff so let's see some new stuff instead. =P

At 10/4/07 02:20 AM, kloneone wrote:

well for just starting you are better than i was. id say utilize the space more dont just stretch the letters. try adding more negative space to make them more defined unless you are aiming for bubble letters.

Thanks for the advice :) I'll give it a shot.

ive been doing graffiti for almost 6 years now and i can safley say about 5 years of it was tagging and throwies, i didnt do any big pieces like u see of mine now until i was absolutely ready for it

my good inspiration Bua trys to define between the art of graffiti and shameless tagging in his book, saying that the location and context of the spray makes or breaks it, and thats what i believe- a graffiti artist could be the voice of the people, focusing his talent to create works that speak through things-like a poster ad for an alcholic drink, placed near a school- the artist could instead of tagging the school, with their name or gang type thing could spray up something to deter them, y'know (like a skull or blocking the picture or something)

I love beautiful sprays, especially when they cover a wall that was before an eyesore, or when cleverly placed create an irony, like a basketballer behind a sign saying no ball games or a peice up on the side of a policia building

I know the pressure and paranonia and how you feel you need practise, if only a bit, cus i stencilled a couple around my town once or twice ( read: I know stencilling = not graffiti)

At 10/6/07 09:55 PM, HahaBears wrote: I know the pressure and paranonia and how you feel you need practise, if only a bit, cus i stencilled a couple around my town once or twice ( read: I know stencilling = not graffiti)

i believe its not really the paranoia that gets u its more of u over examining yourself
-i could have done that better
-i could have done that faster
-i could have done it bigger
-i could have done it in a better spot
-i could have added this
-i could have added that
these are things i say to myself after every time i do any type of graffiti, whether it be a tag or a huge wall piece, and these are the things that always have me going back out and doing more and more and more, and because of that im out there every night doing as much as i can until i physically cant do any more, and when that part comes, i go home and draw, and draw, and draw, and draw...

:and btw stencils are a huge part of graffiti too, maybe not so big in America but every where else its a big way of getting your name out there. I love to do stencil work to :)

At 10/6/07 11:43 PM, Officer wrote: I blame the scanner for the quality. Just some quick fire highlights. Made it look crap? Twas what it should be.

Step 3. Time Taken: 4 mins 43 sec. Resources used: Red vivid.

if your gonna post stuff of your own please dont post so many pics of the same drawing just keep it to before and after coloring.

At 10/6/07 11:59 PM, Officer wrote: Despite what I said earlier, this actually turned out better than I thought it would be. Still, the crappy scanner has butchered the actually nice colours, especially the blue. Not completely finished yet but looks more promising than before.

Step 4. Time Taken: 8 mins 53 sec. Resources used: Especially nice blue vivid.

are you fucking kidding me did you not see my last post? i know i didnt make this thread exclusively for my art but please out of respect for the thread dont flood it with steps of your drawing.

At 10/7/07 12:08 AM, kloneone wrote: are you fucking kidding me did you not see my last post?

No, actually I didn't. So settle.

i know i didnt make this thread exclusively for my art but please out of respect for the thread dont flood it with steps of your drawing.

My bad, don't worry, I'll have those deleted no problem.

Anyway, Finished product. Better than I thought it would be so I'm not worried.

Step 1. Time Taken: 12 mins 52 sec. Resources used: Pencil, Paper.
Step 2. Time Taken: 5 mins 12 sec. Resources used: Black vivid.
Step 3. Time Taken: 4 mins 43 sec. Resources used: Red vivid.
Step 4. Time Taken: 8 mins 53 sec. Resources used: Especially nice blue vivid.
Step 5. Time Taken: 11 mins 9 sec. Resources used: Black Vivid.

Finished Product. Total Time Taken: 42 mins 49 sec.

At 10/7/07 12:26 AM, Officer wrote:
Finished Product. Total Time Taken: 42 mins 49 sec.

what does it say?

At 10/7/07 04:16 AM, kloneone wrote:

At 10/7/07 12:26 AM, Officer wrote:
Finished Product. Total Time Taken: 42 mins 49 sec.

what does it say?

never mind i see it

looks more like a signature then a tag but ur off to a good start

I write mistro one

form oklahoma city oklahoma

This was my fist piece about 3 years ago when i was 12

heres another one from about 3 years ago

I'm only posting my legal stuff...

12? really? your spray is better then most of the rest of the stuff on that wall.
Sadly I doubt you had that much controll and colour coodination when you where 12 :(

At 10/7/07 01:21 PM, HahaBears wrote: 12? really? your spray is better then most of the rest of the stuff on that wall.
Sadly I doubt you had that much controll and colour coodination when you where 12 :(

it's true

heres an illegal one i got caught doing about 5 months ago

it saiz Mace one since that WAS my illegal name

u can kinda see how i got better on my can control

Great stuff, mistro! I really like your color choices and blends the most. Very clean as well. What kind of wall is that, with a bunch of pieces on it? It looked like it was in a school or something. Now that would be sweet to have around me, a place where artists can just express themselves in a legal way, and take all the time they need. Good stuff!

At 10/7/07 02:00 PM, ExtraTim wrote: Great stuff, mistro! I really like your color choices and blends the most. Very clean as well. What kind of wall is that, with a bunch of pieces on it? It looked like it was in a school or something. Now that would be sweet to have around me, a place where artists can just express themselves in a legal way, and take all the time they need. Good stuff!

it's a hiphop clothing store

thanks for the props tho i really appreciate it

alot of crews paint together like that almost every weekend

props....

This is more of a wall tag this time, in fact, I'm tempted to spray it somewhere... Took me just over an hour to do, shouldn't have taken me that long but hey.

i really dont mean to offend here but u cant read it at all! and if it took u an hour to do just that then then it would take u days to spray it

At 10/8/07 12:23 AM, Avoe17 wrote: i really dont mean to offend here but u cant read it at all! and if it took u an hour to do just that then then it would take u days to spray it

Not that I take offence anyway, yeah, it is very hard to read. It originally wasn't supposed to be that hard but it just turned out that way :\ Only one of the guys in my crew can read it but he's had a damn lot of experience. The letters are not altogether clear and a bit mutilated (purposely) but you might get it eventually. I don't know about days, but definitely a handful of hours :P

Also, for reference, here is part of a graffiti wall that my crew did, I'm still trying to find the full picture of the wall but this will do for now :\

looks like someone smeared shit on a canvas